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I decided the morality of the ten commandments could be boiled down into, "Do not harm or deceive anyone"...
But, since everyone enjoys lists of 10, I decided to go a bit further and fill it out with some substance:

1. Do not harm or deceive anyone
2. Help those less fortunate
3. Identify and improve your own flaws and weaknesses
4. Be observant and considerate
5. Do not be greedy; never take more than you need
6. Think critically before making important decisions
7. Give people the benefit of the doubt; walk a mile in the other person's shoes
8. Lead by example
9. Be kinder to others than they are to you
10. Make the world a better place for our children


It may not be perfect, but I would argue that it is a better list than the bible

What do you think?

Can you come up with a better list, or improve upon what I've got going here?

I think u need to start a new cult or something and have your own millions of followers to proclaim and follow it.

And u cant. Those were created during the early days where there is really chaos moses had no idea of how to control them

Nowadays those commandments was the basis on some existing laws like killing is a sin. So if u want to proclaim a new law, be a senate.

Many people doesnt actually believe in god and so is the bible but they know there limits and only fools and desparated will disobey the commandments.

feel free to comment or discuss.

I think its too empathic and sympathetic. I would say it needs improvement.

Hmmm i think its ok but of it is objectival and doesnt really say an exact point.

All of this would come up to only 2 commandments.

1. Love the Lord thy God with all thy soul,mind and all thy heart.
2. Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
If you have to obey even these two you will probably follow all those commandments.

How so?  Could you be more specific?

Which ones do you like, or dislike... and what would you replace them with?

Most of those come directly from the Bible. The only change you made is compiling them into one list (there are commandments other than the 10 commandments) and removed any reference to God as well as non-secular (ie. love the Lord your God) commandments.

The bible says a lot of things, both good and bad... I certainly did not get my list from the bible... the bible got its list from secular society... the bible is clearly a compilation of stories that were already popular in the Mediterranean region, long before anyone compiled them into a single book...

The source of the wisdom is not important... I'm not going to claim there is nothing good in the bible, but there is way too much evil in the bible to call it a good book... it's not a good book at all, and most definitely not written by a god... a child could do better... watch me

For me there are only two principals that matter

1) Treat others as you would have then treat you.
2) Before doing anything, consider if every other person on the planet did the same thing what would the impact be.

The first is already written everywhere as the golden rule, all religions have the golden rule

The second one is simply Kant's test for Universalizability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalizability)
Good stuff, but I prefer a slightly different twist - an Aboriginal moral philosophy... IIRC, it goes something like this:
Do my actions reflect the greatest good for the greatest number of people?

I prefer this because it is a more positive outlook... you are seeking to do good, rather than simply prevent harm (sometimes there is a dichotomy)

Outgrow our fears and dogma or become their compost

1. Care for the earth and it will take care of us

2. To take to much without putting or giving back is death for everything else

3. The law shall be made by the human population once these laws are made nobody is above these laws not even kings and queens.

4. Laws can be changed every 25 years to fit with the times but must be made by the human population
once set nobody is above the law not even kings and queens..

5.Break the law and the police shall uphold these laws against anybody who breaks these laws

6.Public service workers who abuse his or her power onto others shall feel the law 2 times worse

7.It's a child's right to be cared for and educated till that child becomes an adult..

8.Animals must be treated with respect. Only kill them if there is a need to kill them with the least pain possible ..

9.Taxes must be paid by the most fortunate to help the poor and keep a good life system going..

10.Do unto others as you would have them do unto you..

BREAK THESE RULES AND YOU WILL BURN FOREVER :D..  A JOKE ..YOU GO TO JAIL ;D

You have a nice list of set of rules and regulations , but if you are saying that your list if better than the bible commandments then I definitely disagree with you.

How do you figure?

You prefer commandments like, "Don't worship other Gods", "Remember the sabbath and keep it holy", "Honor your father and mother", "Do not covet your neighbor's ass"?

At least I don't include thought-crimes in my list... Coveting is natural, it is not worthy of death... making an idol is not worthy of death... using gods name in vein, is not worthy of death... sorry, God fucked up... I can do better

Not bad, even if 3&4 are basically the same thing... (don't worry, God repeated himself with "do not covet" split into 2 commandments too)

If you are depending on what you believe then so be it. But there is also a commandment that say, Tempt not the Lord thy God and don't use His name in vain.

Which is sort of my point... the biblical commandments are dumb... the first 3-4 are about God being narcissistic (3 or 4 depending on whether you are a catholic or protestant)

The protestants and catholics can not even agree on which 10 are the real ones... And, on top of that... neither of them believe in the 10 which were written by God (the first tablets, which Moses destroyed, before re-writing them himself)

https://skyblueguy.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/roman-catholic-church-changed-the-ten-commandments.jpg

I like the Pastafarian I rather you didn'ts:

1.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like A Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If Some People Don't Believe In Me, That's Okay. Really, I'm Not That Vain. Besides, This Isn't About Them So Don't Change The Subject.
2.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjugate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Don't Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.
3.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This Through You Thick Heads: Woman=Person, Man=Person. Samey-Samey. One is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We're Talking About Fashion And I'm Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal And Fuchsia.
4.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Indulge In Conduct That Offends Yourself, Or Your Willing, Consenting Partner Of Legal Age AND Mental Maturity. As For Anyone Who Might Object, I Think The Expression Is Go F*** Yourself, Unless They Find That Offensive In Which Case They Can Turn Off The TV For Once And Go For A Walk For A Change.
5.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then Go After The B*******.
6.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Build multi million-Dollar Churches/Temples/Mosques/ Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (Take Your Pick): A. Ending Poverty B. Curing Diseases C. Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable. I Might Be A Complex Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, But I Enjoy The Simple Things In Life. I Ought To Know. I AM The Creator.
7.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Go around Telling People I Talk To you. You're Not That Interesting. Get Over Yourself. And I Told You To Love Your Fellow Man, Can't You Take A Hint?
8.
I'd Really Rather You Didn't Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You If You Are Into, Um, Stuff That Uses Alot Of Leather/Lubrication/Las Vegas. If The Other Person Is Into It However (Pursuant To #4), Then Have At It, Take Pictures, And For The Love Of Mike, Wear A CONDOM! Honestly It's A Piece Of Rubber, If I Didn't Want It To Feel Good When You Did It I Would Have Added Spikes, Or Something.

I think it should be more straight to the point too generalizing. It's like all would fall to the same category as love your neighbor and do not covet thy neighbors wife, metaphorically the wife is belonging.

Obviously catholics ten commandments is deceiving billions of people around the world.

Removing the original commandment that , we must not have other gods  before Him. And spliting bible commandment #10 into catholic commandments #9-10

What about these two:

Thou shalt not fall for politicians.
Thou shalt not practice fractional reserve banking.

In my opinion none can create ten commandments better than we follow now. If you understand clearly it relates to every sin done. So no need of an alternative.

I'm fairly sure God missed the commandments for:
1) Thou shalt not rape little boys
2) Thou shalt not enable priests to rape little boys by hiding them and moving them to a new church
3) Thou shalt not own slaves
4) Thou shalt not murder homosexuals

I could go on, but you get the point?

If original 10 commandments was made by man, you will be right.
Such commandments will not be eternal and unchangeable and people could discuss about it, like about constitution of any country.
But, since God created 10 commandments, not any man, we see that still after a few thousand years this commandments didn't change and still have power to change and inspire people.
Can you find something like this in laws man created?
No, of course, because God's laws and commandments are vertical and eternal.
Man's laws and commandments are temporary,never last long time, as already proved many times in human history.
Do you think that your 10 commandments above will last 4 000 years?
Or 1000 years? 10 years? 1 year? Even 1 day? I don't think so.
Please think about it. 

1 Don't murder or harm each other
2 You shall not invent skynet
3 Seriously skynet is a bad idea man, terminators are cool though...
4 but no, skynet is a no no.
5 No one shall control the internet
6 You shall not use comic sans in places different than comic books
7 Don't still shit from each other
8 Did I mentioned NO skynet?
9 You shall have fun in your life
10 You shall not establish stupid laws like: It’s against the law to sing off-key (North Carolina)

As you may well know, the authoritative source is the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  It is said that of the original ten Commandments, two have been lost when the FSM careened into a school bus of vacationing Japanese Tourists snapping photos of hunchback whales and creepy lizards.  This caused one of the Android tablets the FSM was writing on to fall into the water.  




1. I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou *** when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject.

2. I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.

3. I'd really rather you didn't judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.

4. I'd really rather you didn't indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is "go f*** yourself," unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.

5. I'd really rather you didn't challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the b******.

6. I'd really rather you didn't build multi million-dollar synagogues / churches / temples / mosques / shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):
Ending poverty
Curing diseases
Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.

7. I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?

8. I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/vaseline. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something.

Nope i dont think so ... Father gave us the perfect commendments  :)

Here's an other one after giving a hand to friend with fixing his laptop:

Thou shalt not touch HP Pavilion laptops... :/

Have you read the 10 commandments in the bible?

Do you seriously think that's the best a "god" could do?

Can't you see that the first 4 are narcissistic, even for a god?

Do you realize that only 2 of the commandments are even laws? (secular society doesn't believe 8 of the 10 commandments are worthy of punishment)

Why is there no commandment prohibiting slavery, pedophilia, etc?

The best your god can do is, "Don't curse your parents", "Take the day off on Sunday (or was it Saturday?)", and "Don't say my name"?!?  That's your basis of morality?!?!?  These are among the 10 most important rules for humanity?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

WTF is wrong with people?  FSM gave you a brain, use it!

I think you should add these :
1. Love God first, then your parents, family, relatives, and broden.
2. do all activities based on the best human ever, Prophet Muhammad.
3. read Qur'an and hadith of propet

and then your life will be lighten  :)

I appreciate your advice, but I have already found enlightenment, and it was not hiding behind Muhammad

Love god first then your parents :o
I hope you get squashed by a bus...Your thinking is all wrong

Would you put god before your mum and dad?
NO FUCKIN WAY..Now see the way these MUSLIMS Think..CRAZY..

I was going to call you muslims animals.. But i be insulting an animal..

JEWS WILL RULE THE WORLD..

No i am not religious but rather live with a million Jews than 1 muslim

At least with a jew you can get a loan
with a muslim they rape your children dirty PEDO muslims

yes I agree that this list is better than the Bible,

For example point 7

7 - Give people the benefit of the doubt;

If people do this would be very good, but the reality of this world is different

In my country for example:

Just because someone yelled "thief" the people running the behind the person, beat him up and burn him alive, something very sad, do not have evidence that is thief, but because someone called it "thief" then the person's murda but the amazing thing about this is if someone rich and well dressed was accused of being a thief anyone you'd hit and not burn

I think many rules apply poor people, this justice for those who have money

To add, Muslims are very racist and bigoted >:( >:(

I told my nephew not to convert, but it has serious trouble hearing

In the mosque the Muslims expect the black and poor pray first and when end is that the rich come to pray, until I was forbidden to set foot on the tour of the mosque by he said, is a sacred place, they preferred that I was hit by a car let me go on tour? :'(

are sick person >:(

Only one Commandment is enough.
Never cheat your woman/man. ;D ;D

God felt this one was important enough to make 2 separate commandments...

Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors ass

I suppose the second one is more of a thought-crime... since you didn't actually do anything besides catch a glimpse of your neighbors ass and enjoy it

I think it would suffice to say:

Not to steal, not to lie and not kill

Well frankly its for atheist. Because the 1st three was for god and others was for the people.


You should not generalize because there are christians too that are exactly at you definition.

Dont be caught up by the hype about the terrorist. They have their reasons and you cant just whine about that

1. Though shalt not use force.
2. Though shalt not deceive.
3. Be excellent to one another.

This is still not enough to be a person with this one commandment. The bible says, that the 2 greatest commandment was written at Matthew 22:36-40
" Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Do not harm or deceive anyone

Yes.

There is only 1 command, which combines spirituality, morality and logic. It is also the only command that can lead to a coherent output for societies and individuals alike:

Do what is in your best interest.

The only problem with the above "command", is that people don't really know what is in their best interest because the (current) environment is informing them in the wrong way. We are living in "dark ages" but we don't know it.

For example, if you can steal money and know with 100% certainty that you will not be caught, then traditional game theory will tell you that "the logical thing to do is steal them because you gain".

The problem is that this type of game theory does not account for the hidden costs of the silent observer - which is our subconscious (or superconscious).

When the subconscious watches what the conscious does, it says "if I'm stealing, then this means that I'm worthless to create what I want on my own". This observation then becomes a self-limiting self-suggestion that is extremely powerful. "I'm worthless / I'm a parasite". This is implied, signed and "sealed" by our own very actions.

What we do defines us and, by consequence, prescribes our own limitation - if what we do has self-limiting implications.

Humans have been looking for thousands of years for a system where people can be moral / ethical / law-abiding, without having a god or a policeman to watch over them. They will never find it for as long as they do not understand that cause and effect are already embedded in the human mind.

You steal? You become limited as a parasite. The "judgement" and "punishment" is served immediately as a consequence of our new self-definition. I am stealing = I'm a thief = I am worthless parasite.

Do I want to become a worthless parasite? No. Then why would I steal? Do I need a policeman? Do I need a God threatening me with hell? No.

Likewise for any other "sin". If I'm harming others it's only because I lack faith in myself to promote my wellbeing in any other way. Let's say I'm a worker who feels that by badmouthing a fellow worker I can advance my career. My subconscious sees me harming the other guy and asks "Would I need to be harming others if I could advance on my own? Therefore I'm useless to advance on my own - and that's why I have to resort to such tactics." And at that moment it's sealed that I'm useless. It's sealed that I do not have expanded potential. It's like dis-acknowledging it by my actions. The "punishment" is immediate. The "karma" is instant.

All Game Theory that is based on "rational behavior" while not accounting for the hidden costs of the silent observer = bad science.

Proper Game Theory accounts for the subconsciously implied programming and the associated costs of each action. It understands that there are two thought-streams, one conscious and one subconscious. It understands that what is a "gain" now is countered by a repeated "loss" down the line, where I lose again, and again, and again, because I programmed myself as a loser. So why would I do that? Why would *anyone* do that?

The only reason they would, is because they are unaware of the hidden costs of their behavior. It's 2016. It's about time everybody finds out about them.

Those definetly need to be added on the commandments.

But the 2nd one pretty much falls upon the greed level lol, so I guess thats already covered.

I say adding to one "commandment". My version: Greed is welcomed as long you pay your fair taxes. lol.

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Don't be a cunt

Game theory has it's own issues... it is often used to prove a point, but is not reliable or consistent in all situations

One example would be theft... it is bad if everyone is a thief, good if nobody is a thief... but, it is best if you are a thief and nobody else is a thief... but that is self-contradictory, if you assume more than 1 person understands this concept... it often leads to an impossible/catch-22 situation


I would again defer to the Aborigines:
Do what is in the best interest of everyone

If you factor the subconsciously implied self-limitations, then nobody would want to be a thief. The long-term losses far outweigh the short-term "gains". They aren't gains really.


This is automatically done by doing what is best for yourself. However it will require a broader understanding for the individual to understand what is best for themselves. That's the only thing missing right now.

Sorry, I don't buy what you're selling...

There are no objective "subconsciously implied self-limitations"... this sounds like something you made up and could not possibly apply to everyone

You say the act of stealing means I'm not capable of building something on my own... there is no correlation; that's just silly nonsense... many thieves are highly creative

You are simply uninformed. What I'm saying is also applied in hypnosis and suggestion. It is known as presupposition.

You "load" a sentence with a presupposition and it goes right through.

Actions are the same. They are subconscious presuppositions.

Its simply not true and you cannot possibly prove it

How do you know the correlation is not the other way around?  I could use the same evidence to say that uncreative people resort to thievery... it's because they are not capable of creating on their own that they must steal...

I cannot prove what is already proven. What do you think the placebo effect is? It's a presupposition / an implied suggestion. If I'm taking this pill, then surely it must do something - otherwise I wouldn't be taking it. Thus I get better.

It also escalates depending the degree of "sacrifice". For example a red capsule may be more efficient than a white pill (all inert / all made of the same substance). And an inert injection can be even more potent than either. Why? Because the subconscious goes like "if I'm going through all this painful process, then surely it must have some positive effect". An injection is a bigger "sacrifice" than drinking a pill. So the "reward" implied is also greater, and it shows.

What you are saying can happen but you must first accept the programming from your environment (in other words being convinced that you have crappy creativity and that it can't get better - when this is false). So you fall into the self-defeating trap of cheating/stealing etc which then "cements" the belief you originally had, which then starts going into a downward spiral of confirmation and repetition.

Honestly, you sound like a religious preacher now... asserting things as true, which are not self-evident as such

You make way too many assumptions, such as the placebo affect being a presupposition that you will get better... there are many more likely explanations with more evident credibility

you are also way off topic, please get back on topic

+1 for #3

Bill and Ted were the most excellent philosophers

according to me, your ten commandements are better than previous one.. moses and other prophets were really fucked up.. for me, you shoul start a new regilion with these commandments.

I have been thinking about doing something along those lines, and plan to bring it up at the Reason Rally next month...

I'd hate to call it a religion... but, I have been listening to some of the legitimate criticism of atheists, and it makes sense in a way

I am referring to a couple things really... one is that atheists don't have any specific moral code or whatever... I think some religious people would have an easier transition into being an atheist, if atheists had a book they could teach their children morals from that didn't revolve around a god

Atheists have also been criticized for being negative, without much positive... I completely disagree with this statement, atheists do plenty of good things all the time... but, I'm a big fan of leading by example... I'd attend an atheist church, where we read from our book of logic and facts... then cooked some food to feed the local homeless or something... that'd be swell

It's one thing to say, "Hey religitards, you're doing it wrong"... but the right thing to say is, "Watch me, I'll show you how it should be done"

The Christians commandements are a semplification of the 613 mitzvot from the Jews tradition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

Commandments are 613 not 10.

Have a nice time in reading those.


Best regards.

Good to see you are more capable of learning than BADlogic...

Being a Jew myself, I am familiar with the 613 commandments...

The first of which is, "I am the lord your god"... which isn't even a commandment... prolly why the christians skipped that one and went straight to number 2 as their first commandment

Most of them are bullshit and repetitive... including things like not cutting your sideburns, eating meat and dairy in the same meal, wearing clothes made of 2 different fabrics, etc... stupid shit

I happened across another list by a humanist

1.    Love well
2.    Seek the good in all things
3.    Harm no others
4.    Think for yourself
5.    Take responsibility
6.    Respect nature
7.    Do your utmost
8.    Be informed
9.    Be kind
10.   Be courageous

I think # 4 is very selfish. Why would you just think for yourself. It is better if you will also care for others.
I think you must replace it with this : Quoted bottom.

I think some have of this have the same gist,

Be kind and love well

respect nature and harm no other

Some belongs to one category in my opinion.

It is not saying, "Think about yourself", but "Think for yourself"...

Do not rely on other people to think for you... have a critical mind... be skeptical and think about shit... don't believe everything you see/read/hear without first thinking about whether it is true or false


Also note, this isn't my list (though it looks eerily similar)... it came from a book:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Book_(book) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Book_(book))