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Title: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: BitNerd on April 27, 2016, 09:41:03 AM
I'm curious


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: sakinaka on April 27, 2016, 09:55:13 AM
This might go to the Politics & Society board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0). I couldn't help you since I don't know what's an anarcho-capitalist. It seems pretty impossible to mix them. I also don't know the other propositions.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: Carlton Banks on April 27, 2016, 10:09:03 AM
Capitalism is anarchy, so I'm not so sure about the necessity of conjoining the words. Aspiring capitalist here (I frequently choose an anti-capitalist option for the sake of practicality).


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: severaldetails on April 27, 2016, 10:28:35 AM
I had to google those definitions first because I did not know what they mean.
So if anybody else has the same problem here the wikipedia definition:

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, and open markets.

Minarchism is a libertarian political philosophy which advocates for a minimal state, that is, a state that acts only on very essential functions, while all other functions are provided by the free market.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: zojav on April 27, 2016, 10:32:29 AM
It`s a liberitarian on crack, or maybe a hedge funder, no they still want rules for us.
 Only US capitalism is anarchic.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: Lethn on April 27, 2016, 01:52:22 PM
I'm an Anarcho-Voluntaryist, you've limited your polling options too much and clearly don't know that much about Anarchism based on what you've written, Minarchism and Anarcho-Capitalism are two quite different branches of Anarchism, so is Anarcho-Voluntaryism.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: saddampbuh on April 27, 2016, 04:28:03 PM
when i became a man i put away childish things


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: mOgliE on April 27, 2016, 04:32:20 PM
when i became a man i put away childish things

Like the very notion of empathy, which is the only thing that differs us from animals?
And you let your brain away too, with the culture and the education ^^

Socialist here, though after some times on this forum I feel like people (at least Americans) clearly don't deserve socialism.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: saddampbuh on April 27, 2016, 04:43:03 PM
Like the very notion of empathy, which is the only thing that differs us from animals?
And you let your brain away too, with the culture and the education ^^

Socialist here, though after some times on this forum I feel like people (at least Americans) clearly don't deserve socialism.
empathy is too often brought out as an excuse for weakness and cowardice, the world could do with less of it


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: mOgliE on April 27, 2016, 05:34:10 PM
Like the very notion of empathy, which is the only thing that differs us from animals?
And you let your brain away too, with the culture and the education ^^

Socialist here, though after some times on this forum I feel like people (at least Americans) clearly don't deserve socialism.
empathy is too often brought out as an excuse for weakness and cowardice, the world could do with less of it

Hmm... And what is your excuse for your ignorance? that education is a weakness too? ::)


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: saddampbuh on April 27, 2016, 06:20:42 PM
Hmm... And what is your excuse for your ignorance? that education is a weakness too? ::)
someone with paid to post nonsense in his sig calling someone who makes 1k+ a day autopilot on amazon dumb, how do i even respond to that


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: mOgliE on April 27, 2016, 07:02:47 PM
Hmm... And what is your excuse for your ignorance? that education is a weakness too? ::)
someone with paid to post nonsense in his sig calling someone who makes 1k+ a day autopilot on amazon dumb, how do i even respond to that

Two big mistakes you're making here:
1/ Ignorance has nothing to do with being intelligent or dumb. Those two things might be related on the long term but it's far from being the same thing.
2/ Making a huge amount of money has nothing to do with being intelligent, though I'm very happy for you if you make more than 35k$ everymonth without working :)

And being paid to post is just a little bonus as it's a real pleasur to expose your ignorance and your limited capacities to logically reason ^^


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: BitNerd on April 27, 2016, 09:22:49 PM
BTW, how do I get paid to post by using some signature?


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: Enjorlas on April 28, 2016, 03:32:55 AM
I am an anarcho-capitalist. Though I find it redundant to combine the terms. Capitalism is to anarchy what socialism is to communism. Many people posting here have no idea what capitalism or anarchy is. They automatically associate words like 'greed' 'money' and 'banksters' with it and these words invoke negative emotions in them so they assume capitalism must be bad.

Just look at that guy above who said he didn't know someone could combine anarchy and capitalism. I would like to know his definition of what he thinks these words mean.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: Enjorlas on April 28, 2016, 03:40:28 AM
when i became a man i put away childish things

It's not childish when you realize 200,000,000 people have died by the hands of governments in the 20th century. The burden of proof to show that we need government is on statists. Not anarchists.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: BitNerd on April 28, 2016, 06:18:49 AM
I have also noticed that anarchocapitalist is redundant considering the definitions of the words, but thatīs what itīs called anyway.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: designerusa on April 28, 2016, 02:04:39 PM
I'm curious

i dont understand what is the meaning of anarcho-capitalist term ?  anarchism and capitalizm cant complete each other for sure.. these two idea is totally different from each other..


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: BitNerd on April 28, 2016, 11:07:08 PM
Capitalism is free market and private property

State is an expropriator and monopoly of force and law

Therefore capitalism is, by nature, anti-state (anarchist), and state is anti-capitalist.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: Enjorlas on April 29, 2016, 01:16:51 AM
I'm curious

i dont understand what is the meaning of anarcho-capitalist term ?  anarchism and capitalizm cant complete each other for sure.. these two idea is totally different from each other..

First of all, please define the terms in your own words so we can see where the confusion is.

Anarchy means 'without rulers'. And capitalism is simply an economic system in which each individual is left to decide on their own what, how much, and how goods are produced.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: Trading on April 29, 2016, 02:59:14 AM
It's interesting that the OP mixed all statists with communists. Like if they were the same.

I know many bitcoiners have an anarchist/libertarian perspective of the world, therefore, they look at the government as bad.

But the creation of a government controlled by the people is one of the most important political inventions of humankind. We managed to tamed the most powerful institution on Earth: the Leviathan of Hobbes.

If the government would disappear tomorrow, I think we know what would happen: most cities would be controlled by violent groups. We would living on a brutal feudalistic system in no time.

Power never disappear it just shift from some hands to others. I don't like power, including political power, but I dislike even more private power.

Without government, armed bands would take not half of what we have in taxes, but probably much more.

Some think they could organize and resist. Those organized groups would probably be very oppressive to their members, especially new members. And their resistance would endure only until faced with a stronger band.

Anarchism promises insecurity, economic and trade collapse, end of scientific development, etc. It's that the situation we see in failed states. Somalia is the perfect example.

We could keep the State, but give large powers to small communities, like in Switzerland. There people assemble and rule their matters directly together, including social support, health care, decide regulations on social life, etc. So, basically, our neighbors would have a lot of power over us. Spying and controlling other people's life is a way of living there.

No, thank you, I prefer an abstract, distant, power, controlled by the people. Not private power at the sole service of selfishness.



Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: Losvienleg on April 29, 2016, 04:12:33 PM
I had to google those definitions first because I did not know what they mean.
So if anybody else has the same problem here the wikipedia definition:

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, and open markets.

Minarchism is a libertarian political philosophy which advocates for a minimal state, that is, a state that acts only on very essential functions, while all other functions are provided by the free market.

A state that kill the babies, I want it to die, but a glorious military state like we used to have in the past, I wouldn't mind having it to control me.


Title: Re: How many of you are anarcho-capitalist?
Post by: TPTB_need_war on April 30, 2016, 11:32:13 PM
Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, and open markets.

Minarchism is a libertarian political philosophy which advocates for a minimal state, that is, a state that acts only on very essential functions, while all other functions are provided by the free market.

I voted that I am a Minanarchist, because I live in reality not delusion.

Crypto-anarchists' delusions lead to a totalitarian State., i.e. these tinfoil hats aren't diversified:

Granted you may be actively trading and planning on stopping out before taking a big loss, sure, but that whole approach is still not really "risk averse" as I would consider the term (in the sense of owning 25% metals, 25% land, etc.)

Correct, because stop losses are losses. They are not diversification.

Anyone who is risk adverse would have a portfolio of something like 25% physical cash, 25% metals, 25% land/rental properties, 25% btc.

Anyone who has more than 25% of their liquid network in crypto (and the rest in instantly illiquid assets such as gold, cash, and land since governments routinely cancel cash, apply capital controls to gold, and can raise taxes egregiously on land causing buyers to run away) at this stage of the imminent global liquidity squeeze as interest rates rise and with the risks of CC failure due to centralization, is either very poor already and gambling with lunch money, or is a high stakes gambler and not a prudent investor.