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Dear America,

I have some concerns about the 2016 election. Big concerns.

Both parties are nearly certain to nominate pathological liars to whom American ideas of personal liberty are completely foreign. Worse, we're going to make it so that half the country associates liberty with a profound lack of integrity, character and common sense.

I don't think anyone realizes yet just how tragic this election is. With the Democratic Party taking a distinctly Venezuelan turn with more and more progressive positions each election, the Republican Party, however imperfect, may be our only hope for the future of limited government and personal freedom.

Trump has already destroyed the Republican Party's chances of electing a president this November. He might also cost the party Congress as a result of the down-ticket effect. But it's not just 4-8 years that are at risk, it is the permanent trajectory of our nation.

If Texas becomes a blue state, Republicans may never win a Presidential election again. With Texas becoming majority Hispanic within a few years, we cannot afford to let Trump define the Republican message. The GOP leadership knows it, real conservatives know it, and yet the mob has chosen Trump.

And it's not just Texas that is at risk. He's taught a generation of young voters that being a Republican or a conservative (in name only) is worse than being a Socialist. In America of all places! Not only that, but he's also driving Hispanics away from the party, perhaps for life.

Our only hope is that people recognize that Trump does NOT stand for those values. He's a RHINO at best, at worst he's the among the worst nominees the party has ever chosen.

The Republican candidates are wrong to promise to vote for the nominee. I will leave the box unchecked if it comes to that. Even if Trump was a conservative (he's not), I refuse to vote for someone so juvenile, so dishonest, so crooked, wrathful and arrogant. I would be ashamed to have him as my President. We've already lost this election so far as I'm concerned.

America can do what it wants, but I'll have no part in it.

Sounds like this should be titled, "Dear Republicans", since you only seem to be talking to half of America...

I see your point. BUT, America was founded on the ideas of personal liberty and limited government. Right now those ideas don't seem very welcome in the Democratic party. They don't seem that welcome in the GOP either, but at least reasonable candidates do appear occasionally.

If Jefferson (a Democrat) was on the ticket, I'd be voting Democrat. I'm not a partisan voter in general, I just haven't seen any pro-freedom candidates in the Democratic party for awhile. 

If Democrats were open to taking a Libertarian turn, I might be open to reconsidering, but instead they've decided to go in a Venezuelan direction courtesy of Sanders.

The reason both Ron and Rand quit was because they both would audit the Fed, and then shut it down. This would mean their assassination, or at least assassination of family members, and they know it.

The point? All there is that might not be assassinated are crooks, criminals and liars.

Jury nullification bypasses almost all the government can do anyway. Study and promote it.

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As many problems as Trump has caused for the republicans, Bernie has caused for the democrats...

Nobody even wanted to run against Hillary because she was practically guaranteed the nomination before it even began... The fact that Bernie, who the media deems an evil commie, has nearly half of the democrats behind him says a lot (not counting the fact that Hillary cheats left and right, if she was not playing dirty, Bernie might even be leading)

Part of the reason Trump is doing so well is because his competition sucks balls... I'm no fan of Trump, but Ben Carson, and Marco Roboto were complete jokes... I liked Christie before he dropped out... perhaps Paul Ryan or Ron Paul, but they don't seem to want the job... I'd vote for Trump before Cruz, he's a joke too... at least Trump is entertaining... we could have a party as we watch the world burn

I have my opinion on jury nullification but I won't speak of it because I don't want that to affect the jury selection process if you know what I mean.  8)

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Very true. But Bernie isn't as lacking in character. Sure he is extreme, economically ignorant and a class warrior, but at least he seems to have some morals.  And he won't be nominated. Trump will.

I don't know your political leanings, but I'm surprised you liked Christie. He was pedantic and demeaning. He acted as if we are all living in fear waiting for "daddy Chris" to come in and save us with a big 'ol expansion of the security state.

EDIT: Not trying to start a debate though. You can like whoever you want, except Trump, Bernie or Hillary.  8)

I didn't say I'd vote for the guy, but he was entertaining...  I liked the debate where they screwed up announcing everyone (http://www.politico.com/blogs/new-hampshire-primary-2016-live-updates/2016/02/gop-debate-abc-rocky-introduction-218870) (Carson and Trump stood at the entrance dumbfounded), they even forgot Kasich completely... Christie spoke up, "What about Kasich? You forgot Kasich... Can I introduce Kasich?"... good times

The only decent human being left in the race is Bernie Sanders... Trump, Cruz, and Clinton are all liars... and that's the best thing I can say about them

Gotcha.

Well, you are flat wrong on all counts.

The Republican Party destroyed itself when it ignored it's own people who voted in the Congress, then ignored them when they voted in the Senate, then ignored them when they spoke the truth about the likes of Boerhner.

If you believe that's okay and right, then you can just fuck off, because those guys are not on the side of the average Republican guy or women out there.  If you believe that's okay, you are standing with the problem not the solution.

I absolutely agree with you and do not believe that it's okay one bit. The Republican Party has completely turned its back on its constituents and done the opposite of what we sent them to Washington to do. They've done nothing but further the problem.

I'm not saying that's okay. Perhaps I sounded too favorable to the party but what I was really trying to do was attack Trump and Hillary. I don't mean it as praise for the GOP establishment. I am simply saying that given the poor choices we have, the Republican Party is the only environment in which small government conservatism can potentially have a voice.

My statements about freedom and limited government are referring to the grassroots of the party, the average Republican guy or woman you speak of, NOT the RNC or Republican members of Congress.

Both parties have always nominated "pathological liars to whom American ideas of personal liberty are completely foreign" so there is nothing really new there.
I doubt it will be any big change no matter who wins.

don't unpack, you're going back

I'm not saying I'm leaving. I still love America and believe it's a wonderful place to live. By "have no part in it" I'm referring to voting for either the Democratic or Republican nominee. I won't play a part in America's mistake.