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So Craig Wright may or may not be Satoshi Nakamoto, and that won't be the subject of this topic.

What I want to discuss here is that among all the naysayers, there are folks who seem to just look down on Wright, thinking that he cannot be Satoshi, because he's a middle-aged clean-shaven normal looking white guy (yes, that description also fits me), and that they expected Satoshi to be some kind of a long-haired pot-smoking pale-faced anarcho-punk with tattoos all over.

So he may or may not be, but we should all agree that he has the correct look, age and background to be. Some posts I've read about him are really offensive, and there's no need for that. I'd be happy if Satoshi is a man like M.Wright.

I don't think it has a single thing to do with how he looks or his accomplishments or image. It's all about how he acts. Satoshi presented himself as precise, concise and on the ball. If Mr Wright is Satoshi then he's obviously had a funny turn as he's currently all over the joint. If I were him I probably would be too right now.

Personally, I don't think Craig is Satoshi, and not because of his looks. I don't care what he looks like. the thing is he isn't providing enough information to give enough proof that he is actually Satoshi.

The lack of a signed message, saying he'll publish documents and not have them available immediately, it all seems just a bit too sloppy and drawn out for him to really be Satoshi.

Pressure.

What does he owe the "community" ? Absolutely nothing.
Why ? Because (even here) there is no community.

Maybe Gavin and a few others who shared and worked tirelessly toward the original vision. But not the "community". His responsibilty, just like the rest of us, is primarily to himself and his loved ones - and maybe by attending to that duty we might all better serve one another.

What people can't get their heads around is the desire to remain free - when/because , and in the lingo of Jean Paul Sartre (him that turned down the Nobel Prize, remember ?), most of us choose to live in bad faith.

What baffles me is that in a "community" based around a protocol that espouses/has baked in the promise/hope of liberty and a decentralised and distributed consensus that Satoshis sensibility should be so derided.

Wether Craig Wright is the man or not, he's right - Satoshi is dead.

If he is Mr Satoshi, don't you think he should log in to his account here?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3)

Our overlord here has disabled that account I believe. And considering how many times Satoshi's accounts have done Funny Stuff in recent years there's no way we could trust that account either.

Ok so I'm getting tired of all that bullshit about Craig being Satoshi and it's not about the looks of the guy but the crap that he is talking and not giving enough of an evidence to believe him.
The only explanation that I have (and it's only a theory of mine) is if he really is Satoshi, he did all that crap lately because he don't want someone to ever again trust him as being Satoshi + sending all of us a message to never trust Gavin or someone else. Meanwhile he may move coins if he want to, but he is just enjoying the nonsense and maybe laughing while chilling with his 1 million coins next to him.     Just imagine if all that is part of HIM to make ppl think that he IS NOT SATOSHI - thats my explanation so far about all this shit. Anyway he still looks like a wannabe Satoshi now and we may never find the truth. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't - Even if he manage to have the PGP key of Satoshi, it will not prove he IS him because it all may be some government inside job, killing the real satoshi and stealing/hacking his keys and shit so we will never know for sure. So please stop with this crap already - the guy probably is a Joke and he doesn't deserve that much attention after all the crap he said...

Satoshi is not craight wright,and i just expect that people who claim as satoshi nakamoto is satoshi it self,i wish he claim it by use any strong proof,not just sign message,but i wish he could give us some picture when he start with bitcoin,its would be very awesome experience.

Well, would Satoshi suggest that the community rely upon a third party to validate information contained within the ledger?  That is a major sidestep from the philosophy that seems to have sparked the blockchain's creation.  And, for anybody to suggest that a third party (BBC, The Economist, GQ, Gavin, Matonis....etc) should be the first authentication factor to validate ledger transactions is suspect at best.  Would the person who conceptualized a ledger to eliminate third party involvement rely upon a third party to communicate to the network?  Wow!

So, it doesn't matter what he looks like, it's the fundamental underlying philosophy of bitcoin here that matters, which is at odds with Craig Wright's claims.  You're right...he doesn't owe the community anything, but we've given him too much already!  So, bring on the next person who wants to test the validity of bitcoin....the ledger doesn't lie, the ledger can't be fooled, and the ledger doesn't need a third party to validate its contents....(shhhh--whisper--it's trustless)  If Craig Wright is Nakamoto, all he's proven is that bitcoin cannot be broken, even by the great one himself.  

Bitcoin created Satoshi like the Illiad and Odyssey created Homer.  Sometimes the works of men become greater than the men who created them. That's what bitcoin has become, so every man will fall short when compared to bitcoin's enormity.

Hmm, I missed that. I haven't seen a single post here or on Reddit that indicated they were opposed to Wright being Satoshi on those grounds. Do you understand that (1) he engaged in fraudulent back-dating of documentation in his December 2015 episode on this topic and then (2) was quickly exposed for having published a fraudulent "proof" in his May 2 blog post? That is what people honed in on very quickly.

Wright looks like a more sedentary version of me too, and to be honest I also gravitate towards the expectation that Satoshi will turn out to be a boring and rather clean-cut middle-aged white guy rather than a long-haired druggie. Though I want to be careful not to project my prejudices insofar as they are based on comparatively weak lines of inference.

To me, it doesn't matter who the real Satoshi Nakamoto ends up to be. Also I don't think having a degree in Computer Science or wearing business suits fit the bill for the 'perfect' Satoshi because looks most often than not can be deceiving and this is a pretty common occurrence in the Bitcoin scene. Are we sure that Satoshi is male?  :D

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150729204621-halt-and-catch-fire-exlarge-169.jpg
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Would you not like it if Satoshi looked like this?  By the way this is taken from the AMC TV series 'Halt and catch fire' it's a pretty good show about developing the first computers you should check it out.

Yeah that would not be a hard thing to do for him, seems like its probably a group and the password is gone forever.

Satoshi is obviously a 28 year old Japanese NEET living in his parents' basement.

A black lesbian of course :D

....  ::) serfs
I thought this was supposed to be the "intelligent" crowd that see's through all of the governments media spin and propaganda. Guess when it's all said and done, a pleb is just a pleb

Good point. Yes I would like she looked like Cameron but i still think he's male.  :(

Season 3 was scheduled for this summer wasn't it ?  :)

so you think satoshi nakamoto is a person and can create bitcoin without any other people's help? few back years when bitcoin still developed by him is a hard years for satoshi,but i believe satoshi nakamoto is a groups

Craig Wright seems exactly like a guy who would use the blockchain technology to create virtual "beanie babies" that's value is mostly based on artificial scarcity. A smart fellow with questionable ethics and PhD in theology ;)

Craig is not satoshi nakamoto, if he is claiming that he is satoshi nakamoto. I don't believe him, I will just believe him if he can log in that account today.
Or just make the last active change.

agree with you overlord has disabled that account I believe. And considering how many times Satoshi's accounts have done Funny Stuff in recent years there's no way we could trust that account either.

Craig may not be the real Satoshi Nakamoto but at least he has admitted in his interviews that there are people who have allegedly helped him with the creation of Bitcoin and I think it's very likely that Bitcoin is not developed by one single person and a group of developers have contributed to the project. And whoever has worked on the project can be called Satoshi. It's just my theory though.

Seriously, do you guys really not know who Satoshi is?

Like I said, he's a 28 year old NEET living in Akibahara, Tokyo. The reason he created bitcoin was because he wanted to become a mythical being and the greatest internet troll.

Craig Wright was hired by him to do all this, just because he wanted to see some drama. The previous times when satoshi was supposedly "hacked" on bitcointalk was really just Satoshi trolling people.

Oh, really? so that doesn't make sense. But still I don't believe him. I would believe if he would say that he is one of team,developer of bitcoin.

Then why the real satoshi didnt expose himself and keeping his identity unknown? While there are people want to stole his works and not credited him as a owner, real satoshi must reavel himself now cause someone will stole his successfull work.

No you dont' get it. These are all events satoshi himself designed to troll people.

Then Craig will say, " that's why I'm exposing myself and telling you people that I am Satoshi Nakamoto."



But deep inside the true satoshi nakamoto is laughing on this happenings they planned :P

satoshi can't be a woman ever, it's not even about sexism, woman never inveted something so great like what satoshi did

I hate feminism as much as the next guy, but Amph, that's exactly what you call sexist ._.

How can you say that woman can't invent great things?

Once I was talking to a girl in University who apparently thought that whenever something is wrong, it's always the man's fault. Without men, there would be nothing wrong in the world, and even if women committed crimes, that's because men made them do it.

I thought that was about the stupidest thing I'd ever hear, but this is a good match.

Exactly, I'm glad someone gets it :D

His posting activity over time shows he never posted between 7 and 8 in the morning, or between 10 and 11 in the morning. That fits the profile of someone living in his mom's basement. Someone forced him to do something like have a wash in the bathroom that stopped him posting at those times in the morning. He posts straight through the night, even at 6 in the morning, but after 7 the posts stop.

Most workers wouldn't post straight through the night until 6 in the morning. If they did it at weekends their sleep patterns would get too disrupted to get up for work on Monday morning.

I bet he was living in his moms basement when he invented Bitcoin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=statPanel

https://i.imgur.com/nTPYf5U.png

Craig Wright doesn't live in his mom's basement, so doesn't fit Satoshi's psychological profile.

I don't care about the look. Really. Today it's normal to look .. well.. normal.
But I expect from Satoshi at least 2 things:

1. To be able to simply and clearly prove his identity.
A person that invented (or took part a great % on inventing) and programmed Bitcoin, even in its early stage, would be able to do all this without too much bla-bla (and make sure he did his homework before embarrassing himself - and some big BTC related names - on TV).

2. To not look like an ordinary scammer, to not be part of odd contradictions like
"this guy has 1 mil BTC but he has bankruptcy issues"
or
"this guy has 1 mil BTC, but he bought BTC at MtGox (at its peak)"

Concerning the satoshi account here, would be plausible if for some reason he doesn't have the credentials anymore and the email is abandoned - happened to me too. If that was the case there is still room to prove that he owned the account by providing information about pms, previously used emails and passwords eventually.

Then the parts that have no explanation that would make sense:

Theres no reason to not make the few clicks to verify the wallet/transaction - srsly - whats harder than that.

Of course in the interview he said that he was "a big part of it", well - i may missed the point where he said that hes the mastermind.


Anyways, for most early adopters it was an interesting time with lots of stories to tell - the very least to explain would've been how the dev process and the life at this time was shaped and evolved. If he cant come up with a plausible story - and the peers involved as well it would debunk or confirm a lot. And yeah, the posting daytime activity on the satoshi account here would need to fit into that. Ahh yeah, in old fashion i wouldve expected to just make an ANN thread here on the forum or maybe a git repo / pastebin - lol - providing the existing evidence and the start the verification process by bundling all the evidence in that thread - Including the story behind.

And guys, please abandon the look from any productive conversation - lots time went by and with such a background it could easily happen to become a very different person in a short time.

I don't know what Satoshi should be like to be honest.
He gave us this great invention. That' all what counts imo and I thank him for that.But if he would come back now he wouldn't have any power.The network is evolving without him since 2011. That's a long time and many other devs have showed their potential and talent.

I should write male or group of men that would be what i meant at that moment, but unfortunately i was misguided by picture from Halt and Catch Fire TV series.  ;D

Satoshi has became a god to this community. No mortal man will live up to our expectations anyways.

Yes Craig Wright is the “right guy” but I'm not sure he is “the guy”
I'm hopping the real creator will never reveal himself and stay on anonymous and mystery

Craig obviously is Satoshi. The famous retort on this forum is "sign a message and prove it," well he did just that - and still the circus continues.

It's obvious that Craig was a mere piece on the chess board.

It's akin to some talented developer from the Ukraine that responds to an ad on UpWork to become the lead developer for a $1Million+ project. Craig created something on the behalf of a powerful group of people, who employed him to bring their ideas to fruition.

It was never the intention of this group of individuals to reveal their identity, hence the Satoshi Nakamoto pseudonym - which is actually an anagram for "So a Man Took A Shit." (Pump and dump anyone?)

Craig being disruptive by nature comes out and reveals that he is the creator of bitcoin (oh no, what else will he reveal? why doesn't he want to take credit and receive praise?)....... then this character assassination plot is launched against him to diminish his credibility. I mean this guy actually created bitcoin... so if anyone could create a rival to this system it would be Craig White, with the support of a plethora of financial backers.

But, no credibility = no support, societal shunning etc - think middle easterners, michael jackson, muammar gaddafi. Assasinate the character first, and then get rid of them entirely

..... So now anytime Craig White is mentioned in the media, the agenda will be to tarnish his credibility and paint him as incompetent, and incapable. The first time the media introduced us to Craig he was being dragged out of his home in handcuffs - psychologically, 90% of those that saw those images now subliminally associate Craig White with criminalism, instead of innovation. We never saw Steve Jobs home being raided.

To me it doesn't matter who created bitcoin. I traded penny stocks for years without caring to know who the CEO of any of those companies were

But I will not engage in this agenda to tarnish another human being

Craig white may have alot of other interesting information to reveal, but the media has now started their tirade to paint this man as a liar. So whatever he reveals next will be laughed off, and dismissed. I wont be surprised if the guy turns up dead due to suicide via two gunshots to the head

We all should think

We call ourselves anarchists and libertarians etc etc, yet here everyone is.... Still being lead and controlled by the hidden hand

You wrote this much for nothing. Your first sentence line is incorrect and most will stop there. I did.
Craig did not sign a new message. He just did something anybody could do. what he did was a cheap scam.

Satoshi is not a basement dwelling kid, for sure, unless he is one that somehow managed to learn the coding skills of a wiser gentleman in between school classes  ;D

The profile of the Bitcoin community according to the 2013 study is 31 year old male libertarian.

So, extrapolating from that he is highly likely male and he did show some libertarian streaks.

He is either a digital native-type programmer which would place him in that range, 30-36 or so. He seemed to post freely so he had free time, but he was also uninterested in money so he likely did work (Google, IBM or so).

He was a skilled cryptographer though as well and liked his cypherpunk. This was *niche* and tended to involve people a bit older so I would suspect he is a 40-50 year old male cryptographer with good job security.

He was skilled at disappearing and disliked the limelight so Wright does not fit the bill.

If we met Satoshi he would be an unassuming old white hat playing around on github.

Mr Wright is a con man, and with this incident has only further tarnished his reputation.

He's not a kid, he's 28. He has free time because he's a NEET.

You're at liberty to express your opinions. We all are.

Craig signed a brand new message, on camera. The BBC edited this out of their presentation because:

1. the whole world would have been able to verify it by using the code generated by the signed message

2. this would not bring cohesion to the image they'd like to portray of Craig White

Everyone can argue the fact until they're blue in the face.

People want to be pretend forensics "experts" but didn't even know who Craig White was until a few months ago because "they heard it in the media." So rest assured, there is an entire world of information that outsiders are not privy to as it pertains to the genesis of bitcoin

Studying prehistoric transactions on the blockchain will not produce any new information whatsoever

We do not have all the facts, and never will

The only individual capable of presenting us with unknown truths concerning Bitcion is now being made the target of media assasination, and having his credibility destroyed.

The electric car was invented more than 100 years ago, yet this technology has only just been released for public use. Systems to harness wireless electricity were created more than a 100 years ago, yet people are still paying ridiculous prices to remain "on the grid." Technology that allows cars to be powered by water has existed since the 70's, yet here we are lining up like minions at the gas station.

Alls i'm saying is there are powers that have been controlling society for centuries

Families that can trace their linage, unbroken, all the way back to the days of the pharaohs are still in power till this day.

Reality is a construct of human imagination, yet we are all subject to THEIR reality. This is not checkers, or chess. This is quantum physics and these people have mastered this game of projecting which ever reality they choose, and having the masses adjust to it.

Bitcoin came from the top down, not the bottom up. All major changes in society emerge from the top down. The internet, electricity and so on.

Craig will be rooted out of the picture eventually, like all true innovators are. Edison stole most of Nikolai Tesla's work, and because he was bankrolled by the system he is hailed as a hero. Nikolai Tesla died poor and had all his inventions smashed and hidden from the masses.

So whilst Craig is still alive, we should all respect him for what he has done. He is the true rebel that most people here can only WISH they were

Proving he is Satoshi should be as simple as moving a few coins from his original account but this whole thing is getting more and more convoluted. Have you guys heard the story of this VaughnPerling guy who claims he met Wright in 2005 and that Wright introduced himself as Satoshi Nakamoto and discussed Bitcoin technology (not yet named Bitcoin) with him? That's insane lol that he would've known Satoshi's face all along and only learned much later of his real name  ::)
Here's the article:

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/satoshi-saga-continues-tulip-trust-trustee-expected-to-appear-by-september-says-joseph-vaughnperling-1462467803

Thank you.


Interesting theory. If you also have a proof, it can get even more interesting.


I tend to somehow agree with this, though I wouldn't bring it to the level you are implying.


I would respect him if he would have convinced me. Unfortunately, all the evidence I have tells that this guy is a fraud, though a fraud that may have known "Satoshi"...

Yes not Craig Wrigh i expected for being Satoshi Nakamoto,but also i confuse to choose who is proper and suitable for Satoshi Nakamoto,i wish people from asia come and claiming as bitcoin founder,maybe they one of member from Satoshi Nakamoto group.

^^ This guy!  What?  Tinfoil hat broken?

So, no proof == obvious proof?  He used the protocol to verify his identity to a third party, so we should trust that evidence and ignore what we don't see on the chain?  Are we once again resigned to relying upon third party validation even though we invented this wonderful system to eliminate that "PROBLEM?"

I think this reasoning is exactly why Craig Wright doesn't fit the profile of the Satoshi Nakamoto we've come to understand.  WE DON'T NEED, NOR SHOULD WE ACCEPT, THIRD PARTY VALIDATION OF MATTERS CONCERNING THE LEDGER....PERIOD!  So, whether he's a middle aged white guy going thru some form of mid-life crisis, or a long haired, pot smoking, midget mind in a basement somewhere really doesn't matter.  If he is trying to invalidate the value of the block chain ledger, then he is not our (Bitcoin's) guy; he is our (Bitcoin's) enemy!

I agree. In addition, anybody who calls him "Craig White" when we all know his name is Craig Wright, really has some kind of a problem. Or was LCSociety actually dropping a hint that some joker named Craig White is the real Satoshi?

8)

I personally believe that Craig Wright has something to do with the creation of Bitcoin. Probably, he is one part of the group what created Bitcoin. I do not think he is the developer but he has got a lot of experience in the field of security and encryption. I believe that Hal Finney is one of the group members, too. Probably, Hal is the developer who created the source code. Unfortunately, Hal can not give his opinion to this Wright story anymore.

"WE" ??

Who the fuck is WE ?

There is no "WE".

Who are you ?

If you send me 10btc I don't need to trust you - thats been farmed out. But what if someone tells me you are the son of Superman ? What you gonna do ? Would you want to prove it to me, even if it were true ? The blockchain isn't going to help you out here - its an existential issue.

Do you value your agency, your freedom to act in a manner of your choosing, where when and if you decide ?
Or do you wanna be a star ?

But be sure of this before you make your decision - you can't have it both ways.
Upon careful and painstaking reflection you may even come to feel that ostracism and ridicule is a price worth paying for, well, freedom. To be yourself. To retain your real identity, defined by you, for you.

I dunno - what do you think ?

his look and age really doesn't matter. he have history of faking his background (read this (https://www.nikcub.com/posts/craig-wright-is-not-satoshi-nakamoto/)). at the very least I would be a little disappointed if it was proven that wright is indeed satoshi.

Actually it is very good question! I like to theorize about bitcoin genesis too. I realized that for many people bitcoin beginning is shrouded in mystery to the point they started to worship Satoshi as some kind of deity.
For them it is almost impossible to accept that he might be normal human being and it will be better if his identity was never revealed.

"We" are those who are reviewing the proofs presented to us by third parties.  "We" are those who the media is addressing.  And, "we" are those who utilize the block chain ledger to form the bitcoin network.  There could be no network if there were no "we."

Believing that the only function of the block chain is to send and receive bitcoin in a trustless manner is naive.  Take for example the newspaper headline contained within the genesis block, "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks," this was included to prove when bitcoin was created....The ledger provides a means to record statements of fact in a trustless manner also.

And, yes, I agree; the block chain can't prove that this guy is who he claims to be because that is an existential issue.  But, it can prove that he holds the private keys he is claiming to possess, in the many ways he has publicly tried to convince us he actually possesses.  He is the one claiming to hold those keys, so he is the one the burden of proof falls upon.  And, he can prove those claims very easily by submitting an entry on the ledger....asking a third party to validate and transmit his claims is sidestepping the protocol.  He doesn't have to prove to us he is superman because that's not required.  All he has to do is provide some factual evidence to back up his claims.

EDIT: (response to edit)"But be sure of this before you make your decision - you can't have it both ways.
Upon careful and painstaking reflection you may even come to feel that ostracism and ridicule is a price worth paying for, well, freedom. To be yourself. To retain your real identity, defined by you, for you.

I dunno - what do you think ?"


I think that the block chain ledger provides the people the freedom to take back control of personal worth from those agencies which have been manipulating it to suit their needs for centuries.  It provides the freedom to accept or deny personal assets && liabilities as we see fit.  If I'm am saying this "thing" is mine, the ledger provides an avenue to prove that "thing" without the necessity to involve a third party.  All I am saying is that the ledger provides a mechanism to prove my claims and it provides a mechanism by which I can disassociate my public identity from those claims....That freedom is provided by the block chain....going through a third party is unnecessary....Why, if I chose to be anonymous, would I hire a PR team to blast my face all over the media?  That does not fit the profile of one who had the conviction to conceptualize a mechanism to remove that burden.

Ultimately, it's our choice to make.  The truth being, how much I am worth and how much they say I am worth does not matter because I hold the keys to who I am and it's not attached to a centralized data base controlled by any other entity.  I do what I do and the appendages attached to my name are irrelevant.

Craig does not Satoshi.
Craig Wright stopped trying to prove that he is Satoshi Nakamoto. May 5 removed from the site all the statements in which he talked about his involvement in the development of cryptocurrency.
As regards "because he's a middle-aged clean-shaven normal looking white guy". Appearances are deceptive. You can not judge a person by his appearance. Yes, there is a stereotype that the first impression comes from the appearance. But no one knows what a man really is. Dirty smelly homeless person may be in the past, famous and gifted musician.

And I do not tire of repeating, "What do you care who Satoshi? Just use the Bitcoin and enjoy!"

I've been reading that there are people who believe Gavin Andresen is actually Satoshi and that he created and interacted with the Satoshi account publicly just to make his Houdini-style disappearing act more believable and send people on a wild goose chase  ::)
Reading about conspiracy theories is fun  :)

So satoshi is a Japanese then?

LCSociety has been arguing Wright is Satoshi on another thread. Actually, he's been promoting every crank conspiracy theory you've ever heard of and a few that you haven't on a couple threads here the last few days. Either a master troll or someone in need of some serious help IRL. At any rate, he's wasted a lot of people's time here so I suggest we start ignoring him.

Actually steam power has been around since the 1800's but the problem is you need a heat source, such as burning coal or wood - or a nuclear reactor - to evaporate the water. Subs and Aircraft Carriers have nuclear reactors but not too practical in a car.

If you are talking about separating Hydrogen from Oxygen, i.e. a fuel cell, that works too but it isn't "powered by water" since an energy source is needed to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen.

Electric cars have been ubiquitous for decades on the golf course but were impractical for roads due to short battery life and low yield. Sure you could have very lightweight cars, and there is nothing really preventing you from using a golf cart on the roads, but you'll be dead if it crashes into anything at speed.

But sure by all means go to your dealership and by yourself a water car. Oh, wait, there are none. The "evil man" must be responsible. Never mind that Elon Musk is cranking out electric cars all day long with ZERO resistance from the "evil man" that you think has held back al these wonderful water-powered technologies.

Yes - why would he do that ?

 
Careful - now you are starting to sound like him  ;)

As I'm seeing it now Craig Wright has kind of wanted his cake and to eat it. He's done this by only ostensibly going public ie. not going public at all, but by lodging the proof, and laying the burden of that proof, with (in particular) Andresen. He's kind of diluted his personal liability. Which, to be honest, is giving Gavin the short end of the stick.

(As an aside, Craigs reticence to prove his ownership of the private keys even to Gavin (he became quite emotional apparently, his voice was breaking) possibly gives us some insight into the extent to which this man has valued his anonymity here, and understands the possible magnitude/gravity for him personally in coming out at all - even if he did only do it via proxy and a non disclosure agreement)

There's more, I'm sure, to come out about this. Because as things stand right now, there has been no closure for anyone concerned. For me, as I've said before, the guy is legit. But its more of a gut instinct than anything else - so I'm not really surprised if not many people share my view.

It doesn't really matter either way.

I've tried to resist quoting Nietzsche here but what the Hell :- "God is dead, and we have killed him"



LOL - are you part of the WE ?

Bitcoin community is more powerful without Craig Wright so it doesn't matter who is that person, majority of the people believe Craig Wright is not the Satoshi in real because he failed to prove his claim there, we don't need him anymore here to make some funny statements about what he is talking there.

I expect Satoshi to be a nerd though not because he really is a nerd but maybe he just smoke 25 sticks of marijuana everyday while his hobby is reading penthouse.
There has been no proof given by wright so I guess the search for Satoshi still continues, how much is the bounty for finding him by the way?

The prize for finding Satoshi is him kicking your balls through the top of your mouth for screwing his life up.

thats the problem, who the hell care about who is satoshi? why people can just enjoy what he give to us, intead iof trying to "find" something that could not change nothing?

craig is not satoshi? even if craig was him, everything should be fine... ;)

It's human nature to be curious, even more so when someone drops a bomb on the world and goes all out not to let anyone know who they are. This'll never end.

Every type of demographic has a type of look. This is well known and can be "reversed" - in other words telling what one is, by just looking at them. It's a subtype of mentalism (cold reading). You can tell things about people by how they look, how they express themselves, how they move, how they act, etc etc. You can classify people, even find out intimate details about their lives.

When people say "oh who gives a fuck how he looks", or "looks don't matter", what they are really saying is "I have no clue how to correlate what I'm seeing so I need other type of data".

The obsession about "more data" is very eloquently described in "Psychology of Intelligence Analysis" by the CIA. To make a long book => short, it says that the obsession of data analysts with more data is ridiculous because the truth is in plain sight most of the time, so they only need to process the data they have in a better manner. Mentalists and others trained in cold-reading would agree and laugh about such an obvious (to them) conclusion.

IT nerds don't look like Wright. People who are involved in computer science complex theoretics like how to solve the Byzantine General problem, don't look like Wright. Heck, even an average class of C programmers don't look like Wright.

Why they don't look like Wright? Because geekiness is a function of time-sacrifice. Time is finite. With 24hrs/day and only so much to focus on within a given day, before taking time to sleep, eat, and do other stuff, you don't have time to develop your extremely complex skills and do all the other things that ordinary humans do. Thus something has to give. Typically, what is viewed as less important, like what other people wear, social relations, etc etc, go out the window first. You don't care about things like "fashion" thus you dress, let's say, in a more ackward way that makes you stand out. You might also develop high degree of introversion which in turn will lead to myopia which will mean that you'll need glasses. Myopia / short-sightedness, is not a function of biology, but rather a function of the mind. Most geeks/nerds are short-sighted and highly introverted. Geniuses will typically exhibit some anomalous characteristics which is a result of the time-scarcity equation. You can't do everything within finite time constraints and it will *show*.

In this regard (I'm not mentioning other things like forging "proofs"), Wright is a highly anomalous Satoshi candidate. He is also highly anomalous for one other reason. He seems to be trained in controlling his facial expressions and posture. This is intelligence level stuff that is used on political leaders (and most typically fail at their "lessons" - leaking all sort of information through their body language - again a consequence of finite time / you can't teach a politician right away what it takes intelligence operatives years of training).

Actually, I think he is saying the exact opposite.  

I very much doubt he is a stoner. From his posts on Bitcointalk alone, it is clear that he is a no-nonsense, very disciplined and meticulous kind of guy. His posts are to-the-point, purposeful and always on topic. I had plenty of stoner friends at uni and I myself used to smoke weed all day, I guess I could be wrong but from his writings he really doesn't fit the stoner profile.



Unfortunately that knowledge, if it were to be made public would carry a LOT of weight and power. If Satoshi's country of origin was known, politicians would no doubt seek to use it to gain influence over the Bitcoin world.

I don't know who is Satoshi Nakamoto and I do not expect him to be anyone.

I actually wished Satoshi Nakamoto to be a fit and good looking person like Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page and Sergey Brin. Just my hope. :).

haha, that is a funny image you are painting. but i have been following the news from the beginning and people are not looking down on Craig Wright because of his looks, maybe somebody made a joke here and there but they are angry because he refused to sign a message like a normal human being and he looked shady from the beginning .

Satoshi nakamoto is group I think, but the leader hiding forever, my assume if Nick szabo is the one of the team.

Well just let satoshi nakamoto alone.

What is so ironic from my perspective (and I suspect the elites are also having a good chuckle about the blindness of you "useless eaters/cattle") is that once you review all the facts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1459846.msg14781570#msg14781570) (<--- click to know what Satoshi Nakamoto really is), the fools are those who even entertain any thought that Satoshi could be a person.

The elites are playing us like a fiddle with BitCON (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1459846.msg14776165#msg14776165). Seriously. I didn't reach this conclusion without extensive thought and rationality (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1438301.msg14757751#msg14757751).


Zero chance. Nick is both not smart enough and doesn't code prolifically enough.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1416544.msg14456412#msg14456412
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1284083.msg13239420#msg13239420 (Craig Wright was correct, Szabo was incorrect)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1393703.msg14196266#msg14196266 (did Nick ever create any s/w?)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14464292#msg14464292

I don't think that Craig Wright is Satoshi. But that assumption is not based on his looks. No idea why Satoshi couldn't be clean shaved nor be an Aussie for that matter. But that C. W. has currently some tax issues and pretending to be Satoshi might help to get either new creditors or the tax issues postponed looks just a bit odd. It also doesn't help that he seems to have no access to the PK of Satoshi.

Yes this is probably answer and this should be best to stay secret forever. Or at least those coins must stay cold forever. We all know how this can be disastrous for the price. Maybe if they show up and publicly destroy coins or they give them to charity this coud be maybe even better for promotion.

Satoshi is best to be left alone. I agree with you, avatar_kiyoshi.

I don't think Craig Wright is Satoshi. They just seem so different. Wright seems too old to be the founder of such a inventive project. But still, experience he had might be the key to bitcoin. There might still be a chance.

Maybe theymos is satoshi? I'm not sure. But who cares who satoshi really is? As long as the bitcoin protocol is good, all is good.

In general, young guys won't write with double space after a sentence. This is a relic from the typewriter era.

i suspect it to be satoshi

Satoshi Nakamoto is 100% the pseudonym of a group. Craig Wright tried to take all the credit to himself which was despicable but at least he admitted that there was a group of coders who had helped create Bitcoin. Personally I don't have any expectations as to who the real people behind Bitcoin may be. I strongly believe Satoshi is not a single individual now that there is evidence multiple people were involved. I can live without knowing their identities and they have the right to remain anonymous ;)

I dont care if Craig is cheating with his degrees or with his companies. If he is Satoshi the he should prove it or leave it. Until now, he didnt prove it correctly and sufficient, so I guess he is not Satoshi.

Two dudes who could be Satoshi already died. I guess one of them having the private key for the genesis block or someone else, who did not went to the public until now. I guess it was a colaboration between 4 or 5 guys in the start of. 2 are dead, Craig and Szabo or the fifth dude could be the gang behind Satoshi Nakamoto

I don't think about who satoshi is that much, because frankly I don't care about it as much as many others. in fact I like how it is right now. I mean the anonymity of satoshi nakamoto is a good thing to start with, it shows that the creator of bitcoin can be anonymous and that proves the (possible) anonymity of bitcoin users.

but I am certain of one thing, Craig Wright is not satoshi because of how he acted, so shady and suspicious and more importantly no proof!

Is it or is Satoshi not Craig Wright, I am done with this. It does not even matter to me any more who is the real Satoshi if someone can prove that he or maybe even she is the real Satoshi I am glad to hear the story.

So it turn out that Craig Wright is not Satoshi he just wanted fame and money but it did not go his way. It did not even matter to me who Satoshi is if he was the one than good for him but it seems that he was faking it.

yes Craig Wright not i expected,i wish real satoshi is people from Japan,people with eyeglasses and look old,have white and long hair,look like old man that never treat him self,but he quiet briliant and have better idea than Craig Wright. he was Satoshi Nakamoto as we know when we googling with his name.

Wow guys,
This is amazing, almost unbelievable.. Today I tried to find information about who is this guy and I saw an old guy that said he has nothing to do with bitcoin. This is really cool. Thanks for this info.