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As stated in my other posts (selling my btc) I am quitting the world of bitcoins since I have a new baby and need the stability of a 9-5er.

The singles come with everything, bricks and all.

Where are you located and how much you looking at each?

Location, version and what hashrate have they been running?

What price are you asking?

+1 on interested in price and location.

Butterfly have shipped something ???  ???

These are their 832MH/s FPGA Singles, which have been shipping since March 2012.  They're good for a $599 trade-in credit towards the purchase of an SC Single until June 2013.

I just bought one, so I guess there are 2 left.

So clorox, another user just contacted me and said that you took payment from them for all 3 units.

Do you have more than 3 to sell, or are you scamming us both?

I'm pretty sure you guys just got scammed. Clorox only has 9 posts. Did you escrow?

Scammer made serious bank. 2000 dollars.

I used pp backed by a cc, which seemed safe.  Looks like I may find out just how safe.

I would chargeback as soon as you can. clorox stinks of scammer. He posted in Newbie section until he could get out and immediately went to "sell" bitcoins and BFL singles.

I dunno if I really have a basis to chargeback yet.  I'm thinking I'll give him a week, and chargeback if no delivery and no contact.

I've already PM'd him asking for an explanation of the seeming duplicate sale.  The forums say he's not logged in since.

I PM'ed the guy earlier about his bitcoins for sale. Suggested he use FastCash4Bitcoins to sell them if he wanted Paypal, otherwise I'd offer to send him Paypal if he'd use an escrow service. I never heard back from him. Scammer.

I'd definitely just do a chargeback on the guy. The longer you give him with those Paypal funds, the more likely it'll be he will withdrawal them to his bank account and clear. 3 business days is average. It would be nothing for him to send to a bank account, withdraw from it, then close the bank account and you'd never see your funds again if you give him a week. If you chargeback now, it would most likely freeze his withdrawal request until the dispute is cleared.

I've been the victim of this type of scam about 2 years ago for a radeon 5850. I stated I paid for it in the thread, and another person said he paid for it too. It was clear that we both got scammed. I'm just trying to help you claw your money back before it's too late.

I went ahead an opened a dispute on PP.  Hopefully that will lock the funds in place so I can get them back if he fails to deliver.

If he does indeed deliver (looks doubtful now), I can close the dispute and release them then.

The paypal receipt shows payment to David Green (sales@pvaland.com).  Googling that email finds what appears to be a previous scam of his:

https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/private-proxies-overstock-sale-xrumer-scrapebox-ok.1942942/
https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/stay-away-from-dankproxies-com-for-proxies.1979434/

the guy is in Vietnam. Good luck (you should have used the 'unauthorized transaction' - less questions, faster money back...

Where do you see that he's in Vietnam?

Something about this seemed fishy, but I almost got sucked in too.

Definitely a scammer; according to the matching PayPal addresses, he's the same guy as Scarface Tommy.

He PM'ed me offering to sell 3 BFL singles the other day.  I took the bait but fortunately he wanted to be paid via PayPal.

I'll be opening my dispute right now...

Scarface Tommy PM'ed me regarding buying his Avalon ASIC. He stopped responding when I asked him for a picture with the date on a piece of paper.

I hate this people, that's the reason newbies are not allowed to buy or sell a single BTC in this forum. Admins should take note and put something on the user you can see its a possible scammer, or a confirmed scammer.

I think more posts should be required before allowing access to other forums.  Not because it doesn't mean they are a scammer.. but because it gives you more to look at in their previous posts to give a possibly better indication of what they may be all about.

I did not think of doing this until AFTER i bought these 3 singles (yes i was the other idiot) - and after reading his posts i see that he said in one he was doing some bitcoin project then in another that he was getting out of it.  I probably would have been more cautious.  At least i paid with paypal (and i have opened a dispute to lock the funds - did it really quick after seing Bogarts post).

Sort of off topic but... does anyone actually get away with PayPal scamming?  I don't know anyone who wouldn't bother opening a dispute after being scammed out of >=$100, and it seems like PayPal always sides with the buyer.

It appears that I was also an idiot.  He contacted me and said he had 7 for sale.  I bought 2 and planned to buy two more in a week or two.  I am new to bitcoin mining and it seemed the best route to getting started would be with BFL singles.  I can try my hand at it and if I enjoy it I can upgrade to the new ones.  So add me to the list of idiots…  I also opened a dispute and will make a claim on the 3rd.  Good Luck all. 

Also thanks Bogarts and RoboCoder for catching it so quick!

I wonder about that as well.  It seems odd.  Maybe if they get the money out fast enough?  Does placing a dispute hold the funds?  I guess that is a question I need to ask paypal. 

I have not seen anyone get away with it - of course i am sure it has been done.  My biggest concern was that i got the dispute in before the person could transfer to other accounts (i mean paypal - not bank) or purchase something digital etc..  But i also believe that if the seller is verified by paypal - i get my money back even if paypal isnt able to.

And of course i would rather not have to go through this at all.  Wouldn't it be nice if people could be taken at their word?  Just when i think we have this civilized thing down....

Yes..  when you file a dispute - paypal will lock the funds away until it is resolved.  They do that to protect themselves from losing the money for those exact reasons.

Thing is though if you get the money out of paypal quickly enough and then out of the bank account quickly you're in the clear as a scammer.  I say this because I've sold things and had funds held by paypal because of buyer fraud (stolen cc) and all that happens is you show a negative balance in paypal while the funds are held.  They don't take them out of the bank or anything unless you try to use your paypal.  So if you transfered out of paypal to your bank quickly and then took the money out of the account at the bank and then closed the account with the bank, you as the scammer got yours.  Paypal is screwed and eats the loss there.  In my situation since I had seller protection they had to eat the losses with the credit card fraud.

So this is why scammers do this, it's a nice loop hole if you move quick enough.

Escalated my dispute to a claim today (was not allowed to escalate until now).  No response from PP yet.

Escalated mine a couple days ago... PayPal returned my money a couple weeks after escalating last time I got scammed fyi.

There are a ton of errors in this in regards to pay pal.


I used pp backed by a cc, which seemed safe.  Looks like I may find out just how safe. (this is pretty safe depends how you sent)

the guy is in Vietnam. Good luck (you should have used the 'unauthorized transaction' - less questions, faster money back...(depends how you sent. If you sent from home as a gift this will end the case in the sellers favor)

Sort of off topic but... does anyone actually get away with PayPal scamming? (yes  I have been scammed. nothing I could do to get the money back)

But i also believe that if the seller is verified by paypal - i get my money back even if paypal isnt able to. (depends how you sent)

you as the scammer got yours.  Paypal is screwed and eats the loss there. (depends how you sent)


Admins should take note and put something on the user you can see its a possible scammer, or a confirmed scammer.  They haven't but I started a post for pending and confirmed scammers. It is titled MASTER'S SCAMMER LIST

I would love to know who gets refunded and what was said.

Thanks

What price did this guy offer?

If anyone is willing to sell for less than $700, that should smell of scammer...

Not necessarily true; I think I paid $500/unit within the past month.
Of course there seems to be a recent shortage of BFL single sellers, haha.

Just make sure you either use PayPal (and are quick to file a claim as soon as seller stops responding/doesn't provide tracking), escrow, and/or make sure the seller takes pictures and can prove that they have a real item to sell to you.

Edit: Oh and the guy offered to sell at $400/unit.  I should have realized that it was incredibly fishy since I was offering to pay more than that in my WTB topic, but I was about to leave work and was like "holy shit, what a great deal, and he'll even take PayPal!".  Haha...

$400, wow.  I offered him $525 for one and he accepted.  It did seem a little low (I was expecting a counteroffer).  Not terribly low though.  Their trade-in value is only $599.

He sent me a paypal invoice, which in the notes says "1 bfl single", and it let me specify a shipping address when paying, so I guess it was a "goods" type invoice.

Come on people. If you don't use escrow you are going to be scammed. If you buy from someone with only 7 posts you are going to be scammed. If you buy something at well under the market price from someone you don't know you are going to be scammed.

How many hints do you need?

You crazy people throwing money around like it's confetti are the reason bitcointalk is jam-packed with scammers.

Hurry hurry!

http://www.ridesforparties.com/images/200808102211150.money-machine-web.jpg

Help me change it. If you see a scam post it to MASTER'S SCAMMER LIST.  Thanks

Link plz.  Maybe put the link in your sig...

Just got my money back... thank you PayPal :)

Me too.

Me Three!

They do, they add the "SCAMMER" tag under the name.