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Title: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 09, 2016, 03:25:46 PM



Facebook workers routinely suppressed news stories of interest to conservative readers from the social network’s influential “trending” news section, according to a former journalist who worked on the project. This individual says that workers prevented stories about the right-wing CPAC gathering, Mitt Romney, Rand Paul, and other conservative topics from appearing in the highly-influential section, even though they were organically trending among the site’s users.


Several former Facebook “news curators,” as they were known internally, also told Gizmodo that they were instructed to artificially “inject” selected stories into the trending news module, even if they weren’t popular enough to warrant inclusion—or in some cases weren’t trending at all. The former curators, all of whom worked as contractors, also said they were directed not to include news about Facebook itself in the trending module.

In other words, Facebook’s news section operates like a traditional newsroom, reflecting the biases of its workers and the institutional imperatives of the corporation. Imposing human editorial values onto the lists of topics an algorithm spits out is by no means a bad thing—but it is in stark contrast to the company’s claims that the trending module simply lists “topics that have recently become popular on Facebook.”

These new allegations emerged after Gizmodo last week revealed details about the inner workings of Facebook’s trending news team—a small group of young journalists, primarily educated at Ivy League or private East Coast universities, who curate the “trending” module on the upper-right-hand corner of the site. As we reported last week, curators have access to a ranked list of trending topics surfaced by Facebook’s algorithm, which prioritizes the stories that should be shown to Facebook users in the trending section. The curators write headlines and summaries of each topic, and include links to news sites. The section, which launched in 2014, constitutes some of the most powerful real estate on the internet and helps dictate what news Facebook’s users—167 million in the US alone—are reading at any given moment.
“I believe it had a chilling effect on conservative news.”

“Depending on who was on shift, things would be blacklisted or trending,” said the former curator. This individual asked to remain anonymous, citing fear of retribution from the company. The former curator is politically conservative, one of a very small handful of curators with such views on the trending team. “I’d come on shift and I’d discover that CPAC or Mitt Romney or Glenn Beck or popular conservative topics wouldn’t be trending because either the curator didn’t recognize the news topic or it was like they had a bias against Ted Cruz.”

The former curator was so troubled by the omissions that they kept a running log of them at the time; this individual provided the notes to Gizmodo. Among the deep-sixed or suppressed topics on the list: former IRS official Lois Lerner, who was accused by Republicans of inappropriately scrutinizing conservative groups; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker; popular conservative news aggregator the Drudge Report; Chris Kyle, the former Navy SEAL who was murdered in 2013; and former Fox News contributor Steven Crowder. “I believe it had a chilling effect on conservative news,” the former curator said.

Stories covered by conservative outlets (like Breitbart, Washington Examiner, and Newsmax) that were trending enough to be picked up by Facebook’s algorithm were excluded unless mainstream sites like the New York Times, the BBC, and CNN covered the same stories.

Other former curators interviewed by Gizmodo denied consciously suppressing conservative news, and we were unable to determine if left-wing news topics or sources were similarly suppressed. The conservative curator described the omissions as a function of his colleagues’ judgements; there is no evidence that Facebook management mandated or was even aware of any political bias at work.

Managers on the trending news team did, however, explicitly instruct curators to artificially manipulate the trending module in a different way: When users weren’t reading stories that management viewed as important, several former workers said, curators were told to put them in the trending news feed anyway. Several former curators described using something called an “injection tool” to push topics into the trending module that weren’t organically being shared or discussed enough to warrant inclusion—putting the headlines in front of thousands of readers rather than allowing stories to surface on their own. In some cases, after a topic was injected, it actually became the number one trending news topic on Facebook.

“We were told that if we saw something, a news story that was on the front page of these ten sites, like CNN, the New York Times, and BBC, then we could inject the topic,” said one former curator. “If it looked like it had enough news sites covering the story, we could inject it—even if it wasn’t naturally trending.” Sometimes, breaking news would be injected because it wasn’t attaining critical mass on Facebook quickly enough to be deemed “trending” by the algorithm. Former curators cited the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris as two instances in which non-trending stories were forced into the module. Facebook has struggled to compete with Twitter when it comes to delivering real-time news to users; the injection tool may have been designed to artificially correct for that deficiency in the network. “We would get yelled at if it was all over Twitter and not on Facebook,” one former curator said.
“Facebook got a lot of pressure about not having a trending topic for Black Lives Matter.”

In other instances, curators would inject a story—even if it wasn’t being widely discussed on Facebook—because it was deemed important for making the network look like a place where people talked about hard news. “People stopped caring about Syria,” one former curator said. “[And] if it wasn’t trending on Facebook, it would make Facebook look bad.” That same curator said the Black Lives Matter movement was also injected into Facebook’s trending news module. “Facebook got a lot of pressure about not having a trending topic for Black Lives Matter,” the individual said. “They realized it was a problem, and they boosted it in the ordering. They gave it preference over other topics. When we injected it, everyone started saying, ‘Yeah, now I’m seeing it as number one’.” This particular injection is especially noteworthy because the #BlackLivesMatter movement originated on Facebook, and the ensuing media coverage of the movement often noted its powerful social media presence.

(In February, CEO Mark Zuckerberg expressed his support for the movement in an internal memo chastising Facebook employees for defacing Black Lives Matter slogans on the company’s internal “signature wall.”)

When stories about Facebook itself would trend organically on the network, news curators used less discretion—they were told not to include these stories at all. “When it was a story about the company, we were told not to touch it,” said one former curator. “It had to be cleared through several channels, even if it was being shared quite a bit. We were told that we should not be putting it on the trending tool.”

(The curators interviewed for this story worked for Facebook across a timespan ranging from mid-2014 to December 2015.)

“We were always cautious about covering Facebook,” said another former curator. “We would always wait to get second level approval before trending something to Facebook. Usually we had the authority to trend anything on our own [but] if it was something involving Facebook, the copy editor would call their manager, and that manager might even call their manager before approving a topic involving Facebook.”

Gizmodo reached out to Facebook for comment about each of these specific claims via email and phone, but did not receive a response.

Several former curators said that as the trending news algorithm improved, there were fewer instances of stories being injected. They also said that the trending news process was constantly being changed, so there’s no way to know exactly how the module is run now. But the revelations undermine any presumption of Facebook as a neutral pipeline for news, or the trending news module as an algorithmically-driven list of what people are actually talking about.

Rather, Facebook’s efforts to play the news game reveal the company to be much like the news outlets it is rapidly driving toward irrelevancy: a select group of professionals with vaguely center-left sensibilities. It just happens to be one that poses as a neutral reflection of the vox populi, has the power to influence what billions of users see, and openly discusses whether it should use that power to influence presidential elections.

“It wasn’t trending news at all,” said the former curator who logged conservative news omissions. “It was an opinion.”


http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 09, 2016, 04:11:03 PM
Facebook has gotten way to big for its britches,was going to post this as well but was thinking their was already a similar thread on the topic of facebook censoring their platform. The bigger they become the more we are going to see them using their to push discussion down a planned narrative. Always get a kick out of the left when they end up just as bad as the far right.
They seem to suffer from what is good for you is what we allow you to see.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 09, 2016, 04:34:25 PM
Facebook has gotten way to big for its britches,was going to post this as well but was thinking their was already a similar thread on the topic of facebook censoring their platform. The bigger they become the more we are going to see them using their to push discussion down a planned narrative. Always get a kick out of the left when they end up just as bad as the far right.
They seem to suffer from what is good for you is what we allow you to see.


The concept of "far right" or "far left" is not new or unique. A group of humans will always believe they have the right to control other humans, and what they believe does not count. The concept is part of us, changing its name every 1.5 centuries or so. This is confusing when you see the left supporting a pro war woman right now, but not much if you realize you need to forget labels and listen and watch their actions.


The difference between "far right" or "far left" becomes blurry. Not so when you see it a quest for total control.




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Moloch2 on May 09, 2016, 04:36:22 PM
That's good news because conservatism is the cancer of the earth and clinton will ban it when she becomes the next president


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: criptix on May 09, 2016, 04:41:05 PM
Facebook has gotten way to big for its britches,was going to post this as well but was thinking their was already a similar thread on the topic of facebook censoring their platform. The bigger they become the more we are going to see them using their to push discussion down a planned narrative. Always get a kick out of the left when they end up just as bad as the far right.
They seem to suffer from what is good for you is what we allow you to see.


The concept of "far right" or "far left" is not new or unique. A group of humans will always believe they have the right to control other humans, and what they believe does not count. The concept is part of us, changing its name every 1.5 centuries or so. This is confusing when you see the left supporting a pro war woman right now, but not much if you realize you need to forget labels and listen and watch their actions.


The difference between "far right" or "far left" becomes blurry. Not so when you see it a quest for total control.




Its funny that the other guy wants to use nuke against europe and The middle east but the woman ist nevertheless much more evil


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 09, 2016, 04:43:50 PM



Facebook MADE #BlackLivesMatter Artificially Trend By Inserting It Into News Feeds Manually


Facebook staff manually inserted the “Black Lives Matter” topic into its trending news feed in order to artificially boost the movement’s popularity and in turn boost the Facebook brand, according to a former employee who curated news for the site.

“Facebook got a lot of pressure about not having a trending topic for Black Lives Matter,” the former curator told Gizmodo. “They realized it was a problem, and they boosted it in the ordering. They gave it preference over other topics.”


http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/09/facebook-made-black-lives-matter-trend-by-inserting-it-into-news-feeds/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 09, 2016, 04:43:58 PM
The line of thought appeals to me and I will make a effort to choose my words more in line with how I perceive the world.
Its funny I never really thought to much about the choice of words but I have spent a lot of time thinking about the dynamics.
One of those blinder issues I guess,thanks for pointing that one out to me.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 09, 2016, 04:53:12 PM
The line of thought appeals to me and I will make a effort to choose my words more in line with how I perceive the world.
Its funny I never really thought to much about the choice of words but I have spent a lot of time thinking about the dynamics.
One of those blinder issues I guess,thanks for pointing that one out to me.


Lots of people are paid to make you forget about this. Retrain your mind to ask "why" and "who" all the time... Especially with everything you read from a 1956 robot called "Wilikon"...

 :)




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: by.Szun on May 10, 2016, 05:08:57 AM
Interesting, since just last month, Facebook employees wanted to ask Zuckerberg about what, if any, imperative they had as a company to prevent a Trump presidency. http://gizmodo.com/facebook-employees-asked-mark-zuckerberg-if-they-should-1771012990 (http://gizmodo.com/facebook-employees-asked-mark-zuckerberg-if-they-should-1771012990)

I'm not entirely surprised, to be honest. It's the same as an editorial board at a newspaper, deciding which pieces to run from a wire service. This is just on a much, much larger scale. Still immensely unethical to do so, while still presenting yourself as neutral.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: eye-level on May 10, 2016, 05:20:09 AM
That's good news because conservatism is the cancer of the earth and clinton will ban it when she becomes the next president

I think you must have it backwards...lol


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 10, 2016, 04:49:09 PM
Interesting, since just last month, Facebook employees wanted to ask Zuckerberg about what, if any, imperative they had as a company to prevent a Trump presidency. http://gizmodo.com/facebook-employees-asked-mark-zuckerberg-if-they-should-1771012990 (http://gizmodo.com/facebook-employees-asked-mark-zuckerberg-if-they-should-1771012990)

I'm not entirely surprised, to be honest. It's the same as an editorial board at a newspaper, deciding which pieces to run from a wire service. This is just on a much, much larger scale. Still immensely unethical to do so, while still presenting yourself as neutral.


That's the part I have a problem with. The lie. Be open instead. Tell everyone you support clinton.

But nah! "Neutral"




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 10, 2016, 06:17:04 PM
Seems to be the latest ploy to pass ones self off as neutral well attacking from the sidelines.
You can not claim to be neutral is you are swaying discussion towards a set outcome,but people will eat it up and think facebook is the greatest thing.
The media used to or they gave the perception of taking people to task. Now everything is pushed under the rug and they smile at you with puppy dog stories all the well knowing that people are dying,being mistreated or living in a sub human level to get by.
Are people waking up? More are unplugging cable but that may just mean they are watching game of thrones instead of looking into things for themselves. At first glance it looks like a waking up trend and then you realize people are just boob tubing their lives away.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 10, 2016, 09:20:52 PM
Seems to be the latest ploy to pass ones self off as neutral well attacking from the sidelines.
You can not claim to be neutral is you are swaying discussion towards a set outcome,but people will eat it up and think facebook is the greatest thing.
The media used to or they gave the perception of taking people to task. Now everything is pushed under the rug and they smile at you with puppy dog stories all the well knowing that people are dying,being mistreated or living in a sub human level to get by.
Are people waking up? More are unplugging cable but that may just mean they are watching game of thrones instead of looking into things for themselves. At first glance it looks like a waking up trend and then you realize people are just boob tubing their lives away.


Yep.




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: alphatv on May 11, 2016, 12:06:43 PM
So Facebook is the deciding authority? Who have given them this role? Self Appointed


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 11, 2016, 02:23:35 PM
So Facebook is the deciding authority? Who have given them this role? Self Appointed


Us, non functioning brain facebook drones.




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: danel on May 12, 2016, 02:22:06 AM
This is something people need to learn: Facebook, Twitter, etc.- aren't free speech. They're corporate speech and they can takes sides. Be careful who you spend your time and money on.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: EUROPEANTURK on May 12, 2016, 06:13:03 AM
That's good news because conservatism is the cancer of the earth and clinton will ban it when she becomes the next president

hillarry clinton will be the new president of the usa but conservatism will never be obliterated because american people have a tendency to be bigoted. hillary will be doomed to accept this reality.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 13, 2016, 03:48:09 AM



Facebook news selection is in hands of editors not algorithms, documents show




Leaked documents show how Facebook, now the biggest news distributor on the planet, relies on old-fashioned news values on top of its algorithms to determine what the hottest stories will be for the 1 billion people who visit the social network every day.

The documents, given to the Guardian, come amid growing concerns over how Facebook decides what is news for its users. This week the company was accused of an editorial bias against conservative news organizations, prompting calls for a congressional inquiry from the US Senate commerce committee chair, John Thune.

The boilerplate about its news operations provided to customers by the company suggests that much of its news gathering is determined by machines: “The topics you see are based on a number of factors including engagement, timeliness, Pages you’ve liked and your location,” says a page devoted to the question “How does Facebook determine what topics are trending?”

But the documents show that the company relies heavily on the intervention of a small editorial team to determine what makes its “trending module” headlines – the list of news topics that shows up on the side of the browser window on Facebook’s desktop version. The company backed away from a pure-algorithm approach in 2014 after criticism that it had not included enough coverage of unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, in users’ feeds.

The guidelines show human intervention – and therefore editorial decisions – at almost every stage of Facebook’s trending news operation, a team that at one time was as few as 12 people:

    A team of news editors working in shifts around the clock was instructed on how to “inject” stories into the trending topics module, and how to “blacklist” topics for removal for up to a day over reasons including “doesn’t represent a real-world event”, left to the discretion of the editors.
    The company wrote that “the editorial team CAN [sic] inject a newsworthy topic” as well if users create something that attracts a lot of attention, for example #BlackLivesMatter.
    Facebook relies heavily on just 10 news sources to determine whether a trending news story has editorial authority. “You should mark a topic as ‘National Story’ importance if it is among the 1-3 top stories of the day,” reads the trending review guidelines for the US. “We measure this by checking if it is leading at least 5 of the following 10 news websites: BBC News, CNN, Fox News, The Guardian, NBC News, The New York Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Yahoo News or Yahoo.”
    Strict guidelines are enforced around Facebook’s “involved in this story” feature, which pulls information from Facebook pages of newsmakers – say, a sports star or a famous author. The guidelines give editors ways to determine which users’ pages are appropriate to cite, and how prominently.

The company’s guidelines are very similar to a traditional news organization’s, with a style guide reminiscent of the Associated Press guide, a list of trusted sources and instructions for determining newsworthiness. (The Guardian also obtained the guidelines for moderating the “in the story” feature, now called “involved in this story”; the guidelines for the company’s Facebook Paper app; and a broader editorial guide for the app.)

The guidelines are sure to bolster arguments that Facebook has made discriminatory editorial decisions against rightwing media. Conservatives would label the majority of Facebook’s primary sources as liberal.

They also appear to undermine claims this week from Facebook’s vice-president of search, Tom Stocky, who posted a statement addressing the controversy on 9 May. “We do not insert stories artificially into trending topics, and do not instruct our reviewers to do so,” he wrote.

Stocky’s statement may depend on the definition of the word “artificially”. In interviews with the Guardian, three former editors said they had indeed inserted stories that were not visible to users into the trending feed in order to make the experience more topical. All denied personal bias, but all said the human element was vital.

A second list, of 1,000 trusted sources, was provided to the Guardian by Facebook. It includes prominent conservative news outlets such as Redstate, Breitbart, the Drudge Report and the Daily Caller.

Former employees who worked in Facebook’s news organization said that they did not agree with the Gizmodo report on Monday alleging partisan misconduct on the part of the social network. They did admit the presence of human judgment in part because the company’s algorithm did not always create the best possible mix of news.

Specifically, complaints about the absence from trending feeds of news reports about clashes between protesters and police in Ferguson in 2014 were evidence to Facebook that – in the specific case of the trending module – humans had better news judgment than the company’s algorithm. Multiple news stories criticized Facebook for apparently prioritizing Ice Bucket Challenge videos over the riots. Many said the incident proved that Twitter was the place for hard news, and Facebook was a destination for fluff.

“The guidelines demonstrate that we have a series of checks and balances in place to help surface the most important popular stories, regardless of where they fall on the ideological spectrum,” said Justin Osofsky, Facebook’s vice-president of global operations. “Facebook does not allow or advise our reviewers to systematically discriminate against sources of any political origin, period. What these guidelines show is that we’ve approached this responsibly and with the goal of creating a high-quality product – in the hopes of delivering a meaningful experience for the people who use our service.

“Trending Topics uses a variety of mechanisms to help surface events and topics that are happening in the real world. In our guidelines, we rely on more than a thousand sources of news – from around the world, and of all sizes and viewpoints – to help verify and characterize world events and what people are talking about. The intent of verifying against news outlets is to surface topics that are meaningful to people and newsworthy. We have at no time sought to weight any one viewpoint over another, and in fact our guidelines are designed with the intent to make sure we do not do so.”


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/12/facebook-trending-news-leaked-documents-editor-guidelines



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Facebook' secret news algorithm: 10 people in a office, surfing the net.

 8)






Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 16, 2016, 02:36:34 AM
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/google-faces-record-3-billion-euro-eu-antitrust-150203063--finance.html
Google faces record 3 billion euro EU antitrust fine: Telegraph

When/if the public pushes back there will be a steep drop off for google, facebook and Yahoo.
Think there is room for a alternative that does not datamine, stalk and manipulate data.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: mOgliE on May 16, 2016, 06:05:40 AM
And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 16, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 16, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/



I wonder how and why people with that kind of mindset are doing on a bitcoin forum...  ::)

Not compatible. Unless...




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: criptix on May 16, 2016, 05:11:59 PM
Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: NUFCrichard on May 16, 2016, 05:21:54 PM
It kind of seems that the whole world supresses conservative views. 
Watch television, or read the internet, or read newspapers and you will see that everyone is liberal and Trump and the other far right are a joke.

THEN look at the voting numbers.  It doesn't seem to match what you have heard, seen or read!  There must be a silent majority out there who are voting for conservative, but don't tell anyone about it, or at least not publically.

I am always suprised how right leaning the US is, but how left leaning there TV is!


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: criptix on May 16, 2016, 05:25:05 PM
Well trump is a joke and majority of people were always since the beginning of humanity stupid.

The only thing which would change that would be the transition to a knowledge society.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 16, 2016, 06:09:56 PM
Well trump is a joke and majority of people were always since the beginning of humanity stupid.

The only thing which would change that would be the transition to a knowledge society.


With you as one of its prefects?

 :)




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: mOgliE on May 16, 2016, 07:51:56 PM
And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/

Not what I said but it's not like you even read me in the first place

What I said is that if you expect honest and objective informations and actions from a PRIVATE company you're just too dumb to deserve anything else.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: mOgliE on May 16, 2016, 07:53:15 PM
And so ?

Facebook is a private company. As all private companies they ve got their own point of view ont the world and they'll try to impose it to you. Why people fighting for a free capitalistic society are even surprised by the fact that companies don't give a fuck about truth or objectivity?

So you think people are alright with being mislead? Think most people would seek out a alternative knowing they where being paraded around by the bit. There does seem to be a lot of members lately with your style of thinking and it saddens me to know that their is a mindset like yours that thinks everything is fine with companies dictating reality.

http://www.wired.com/2016/05/zuck-invite-politicians-facebook-talk-trending-news/



I wonder how and why people with that kind of mindset are doing on a bitcoin forum...  ::)

Not compatible. Unless...




Unless you didn't read correctly what I wrote. Well it's not like you ever read what I wrote correctly though xD
It's much easier to just change subject and avoid arguments isn't it willikon ?


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 16, 2016, 08:17:55 PM
Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.

I bolded the one aspect of what you said making any sense,the latter part of the first sentence relates to what?
Its not news to me or others that visit here that the top companies are nefarious in their natural state,so no bubble needs to be popped.
We can all take a deep breath and get back on topic of companies need for censorship and dictating the out look of the news.

Some of these companies have infiltrated so many aspects of our lives that it is no longer possible to get around them with out some pains.
So imagine what the future is going to look like when they are even more in our homes and transportation! You may be open to the idea because you feel this is a attack on capitalism but I disagree.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 16, 2016, 08:21:36 PM
Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.

I bolded the one aspect of what you said making any sense,the latter part of the first sentence relates to what?
Its not news to me or others that visit here that the top companies are nefarious in their natural state,so no bubble needs to be popped.
We can all take a deep breath and get back on topic of companies need for censorship and dictating the out look of the news.

Some of these companies have infiltrated so many aspects of our lives that it is no longer possible to get around them with out some pains.
So imagine what the future is going to look like when they are even more in our homes and transportation! You may be open to the idea because you feel this is a attack on capitalism but I disagree.


Some citizens in some countries are so used to hold their knees while standing up, they believe what they feel behind them is a natural sensation...




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: criptix on May 16, 2016, 09:32:42 PM
Huh?

Im pretty sure that all moglie is saying that this shit is nothing new and to get surprised about except you are living in a fantasy world devoid of something called reality.
And he is also correct that capitalism is supporting exactly this kind of companies.


And im sorry to pop your dreams but pretty much all companies in the s&p500 are doing this.

I bolded the one aspect of what you said making any sense,the latter part of the first sentence relates to what?
Its not news to me or others that visit here that the top companies are nefarious in their natural state,so no bubble needs to be popped.
We can all take a deep breath and get back on topic of companies need for censorship and dictating the out look of the news.

Some of these companies have infiltrated so many aspects of our lives that it is no longer possible to get around them with out some pains.
So imagine what the future is going to look like when they are even more in our homes and transportation! You may be open to the idea because you feel this is a attack on capitalism but I disagree.

I got the impression that people were surprised about it.

And yes sadly people are allright with being misled. You can see it in everything from economics to politics and even here on our forum - every single day.

Anyone remember enron? Volkswagen diesel scam? Oxfam studies? Panama papers?

Why do they accept and tolerate it would be the question?
Because it makes their live a lot easier.

About your last sentence can you please parahrase? I dont quite understand, because all i was saying is that capitalism is supporting such methods - so where is the link?


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 17, 2016, 01:50:07 AM
Misunderstood the point, thought you where making a point for capitalism. Think we are in agreement then.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 21, 2016, 01:19:33 AM












Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 21, 2016, 01:45:22 AM
Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 21, 2016, 02:24:35 AM
Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.



Yeah but that would be too artificial, too pre programmed, too... machiavellistic?




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: mOgliE on May 21, 2016, 08:16:50 AM
Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.

And so? What do you think will happen? People stop using Facebook because it's using censorship?  ^^


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 21, 2016, 02:51:22 PM
Bet that they really did not want that to happen after they made such a effort to slide the issue under the rug.
The best thing to happen now is for a whole wack of people to be banned so they can not say it was a glitch and would have to address it.

And so? What do you think will happen? People stop using Facebook because it's using censorship?  ^^

People use a lot of platforms not understanding the extent of their privacy being shed away,for example those stupid free app games they download like Angry Birds. Most of the people I run into have no clue that they handed over so much information to the host. So I do think with every issue Facebook has more people will become aware of the issue,what they do after that is up to them as long as they are aware that there are issues.
We could say most of us are on a scale of how much privacy we think is needed,for me its more extreme but for others its the mantra of "Nothing to hide,nothing to worry about"! But I think that is very shortsighted due to changes in political views that may become more restrictive and use the information against the populous.

The issue of more people being banned would create more of a storm in the media as it effects mostly the right in this situation and the blow back may turn into a rallying cry,like a hashtag but the people would also need a alternative.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 24, 2016, 01:44:58 AM



Facebook admits rogue employees may have shown bias against conservatives

Social media giant denies ‘systematic’ discrimination



Facebook announced Monday it was sending employees out for retraining and would discontinue some of its practices as it sought to defend itself against charges of political bias against conservatives.

The online giant denied that it’s shown “systematic political bias,” but admitted employees played a bigger role than previously acknowledged in determining what news is highlighted in the trending topics section.

Facebook also acknowledged that rogue employees may have unintentionally discriminated against conservative stories or even acted with malice in “isolated improper actions.”

In one instance Facebook rejected a story this year about the opening of the annual Conservative Political Action Conference — the largest gathering of right-wing activists in the country. Facebook says that was likely because there were already enough stories about the Republican presidential primary. But the company said since it allowed CPAC posts in 2015, and covered other parts of the 2016 conference, there wasn’t any discrimination.

“Our investigation has revealed no evidence of systematic political bias in the selection or prominence of stories included in the Trending Topics feature. In fact, our analysis indicated that the rates of approval of conservative and liberal topics are virtually identical in Trending Topics,” Colin Stretch, the company’s general counsel, said in an extensive reply to Sen. John Thune, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, who is probing the allegations of bias.

Former Facebook employees told Gizmodo earlier this month that they detected bias in the way news was “curated” by the site, with stories on top GOP figures, conservative commentators and right-wing causes getting short shrift.

Conservative groups chimed in, saying they’d also seen evidence that stories about their issues and actions weren’t getting the attention they’d thought warranted. The American Conservative Union, which organizes CPAC, said stories about the conference on Facebook did poorly, even though they did well on other online platforms such as Twitter — suggesting bias.

Facebook said it probed seven separate allegations, including treatment of CPAC, conservative host Glenn Beck, former IRS senior executive Lois G. Lerner, the Drudge Report and others, and concluded there were no substantiated instances of political bias.

Instead, some stories were rejected because the news sources were questionable, or because the topic was already represented, the company said.

It said liberal and conservative topics saw “virtually identical” treatment, while “moderate” topics fared the best because they were “popular across the political spectrum.”

Still, Facebook said it will retrain employees and impose new “controls and oversight” to try to cut down the chances for bias. It is also discontinuing the use of 10 outlets it used to judge stories’ importance — a list that included Fox News, but also included the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, NBC News and BuzzFeed.

Mr. Thune said the review was a good start, and said the fact that the company admitted its limitations — including the larger role employees played — “lends credibility” to the findings.

“Facebook’s description of the methodology it uses for determining the trending content it highlights for users is far different from and more detailed than what it offered prior to our questions,” the South Dakota Republican said. “We now know the system relied on human judgment, and not just an automated process, more than previously acknowledged.”

Democrats had blasted Mr. Thune’s questions to Facebook, saying he was wasting taxpayer money in pursuing the probe.

But with nearly two-thirds of Facebook users saying they get at least some of their news from the online platform, conservatives said any chance of bias could skew political conversations.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/23/facebook-admits-rogue-employees-may-have-shown-bia/





Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 24, 2016, 01:02:16 PM







Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 28, 2016, 12:14:32 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/27/mark-zuckerberg-is-dictator-of-facebook-nation-the-pirate-bay-founder.html

Mark Zuckerberg is ‘dictator’ of Facebook ‘nation’: The Pirate Bay founder

Quote

Facebook boss Mark Zuckerberg is the "dictator" of "the biggest nation in the world", the co-founder of file sharing site The Pirate Bay, told CNBC on Friday, as he denounced the centralization of power on the internet.
Facebook boss, Mark Zuckerberg
David Paul Morris | Bloomberg | Getty Images
Facebook boss, Mark Zuckerberg

Speaking during an interview at The Next Web conference in Amsterdam, Peter Sunde said that there is "no democracy" online.

"People in the tech industry have a lot of responsibilities but they never really discuss these things ... Facebook is the biggest nation in the world and we have a dictator, if you look at it from a democracy standpoint, Mark Zuckerberg is a dictator. I did not elect him. He sets the rules," Sunde told CNBC.

"And really you can't opt out of Facebook. I'm not on Facebook but there are a lot of drawbacks in my offline world. No party invitations, no updates from my friends, people stop talking to you, because you're not on Facebook. So it has real life implications."

Facebook declined to comment when contacted by CNBC. The social network has 1.6 billion users on its platform.
Mark Zuckerberg, chief executive officer of Facebook Inc.,
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Sunde is a left-winger best known for co-founding The Pirate Bay, the notorious file sharing site which landed him in jail in 2014 for which he served a five month sentence. His other co-founders were all found guilty of copyright infringements.

To demonstrate his point, Sunde cited the example of when German Chancellor Angela Merkel was overheard at a United Nations meeting confronting Zuckerberg about anti-immigration posts on Facebook.

"That's kind of what it comes to. We send major leaders of Europe to ask him to stop interfering with our local culture. How did we end up in a situation like this?," Sunde said.

"If politicians were a little bit more hard-core and actually believe in this they would be able to fix it. If we say Facebook doesn't agree with our rules in our country we are going to stop Facebook in our country. We censor a lot of things, why not censor Facebook?," he added.
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Trump spokeswoman hits out at Zuckerberg

Sunde also decried the technology world's lack of perspective. He denounced Facebook's policy requiring people to use their real name, as in some countries, this can get people persecuted and makes it hard to organize political movements.

"Mark Zuckerberg is a rich white dude from a really privileged background," Sunde said, explaining why he thinks the Facebook boss doesn't understand cultural differences.

"The reason for the real name policy is Mark Zuckerberg wants to make another dollar."
This firm may have just killed the hype surrounding blockchain

Still, Facebook has been working to reassure its users about privacy. It released a new privacy policy last year that made it easier for people to decide which posts are public or private. And WhatsApp, which Facebook owns, recently introduced full encryption.

Zuckerberg has also shared his own thoughts on privacy. In Apple's recent tussle with the FBI over unlocking an iPhone that belonged to one of the San Bernardino shooters, Zuckerberg said he is "sympathetic" to Apple. The iPhone maker refused to help authorities unlock the phone.

Facebook is also working on ways to let users customize what they see in the app, giving them ultimately more control.

It is amazing how staying off facebook does cost you in a few aspects,I am sure that employers look and wonder why this guy is not to be found online,what is he hiding!
Or I have some family members I never met in real life that started to contact me but wanted me to join facebook.
I refused and the emails thinned out,which is to bad but they where the young ones in the family that never met me.
The dynamice that facebook is creating online does not matter if they think they have our best interests anymore,they are going to start stepping on people for the greater good.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on May 28, 2016, 03:40:58 AM
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/27/mark-zuckerberg-is-dictator-of-facebook-nation-the-pirate-bay-founder.html

Mark Zuckerberg is ‘dictator’ of Facebook ‘nation’: The Pirate Bay founder

Quote

Facebook boss Mark Zuckerberg is the "dictator" of "the biggest nation in the world", the co-founder of file sharing site The Pirate Bay, told CNBC on Friday, as he denounced the centralization of power on the internet.
Facebook boss, Mark Zuckerberg
David Paul Morris | Bloomberg | Getty Images
Facebook boss, Mark Zuckerberg

Speaking during an interview at The Next Web conference in Amsterdam, Peter Sunde said that there is "no democracy" online.

"People in the tech industry have a lot of responsibilities but they never really discuss these things ... Facebook is the biggest nation in the world and we have a dictator, if you look at it from a democracy standpoint, Mark Zuckerberg is a dictator. I did not elect him. He sets the rules," Sunde told CNBC.

"And really you can't opt out of Facebook. I'm not on Facebook but there are a lot of drawbacks in my offline world. No party invitations, no updates from my friends, people stop talking to you, because you're not on Facebook. So it has real life implications."

Facebook declined to comment when contacted by CNBC. The social network has 1.6 billion users on its platform.
Mark Zuckerberg, chief executive officer of Facebook Inc.,
Zuckerberg: I want to cure all diseases this century

Sunde is a left-winger best known for co-founding The Pirate Bay, the notorious file sharing site which landed him in jail in 2014 for which he served a five month sentence. His other co-founders were all found guilty of copyright infringements.

To demonstrate his point, Sunde cited the example of when German Chancellor Angela Merkel was overheard at a United Nations meeting confronting Zuckerberg about anti-immigration posts on Facebook.

"That's kind of what it comes to. We send major leaders of Europe to ask him to stop interfering with our local culture. How did we end up in a situation like this?," Sunde said.

"If politicians were a little bit more hard-core and actually believe in this they would be able to fix it. If we say Facebook doesn't agree with our rules in our country we are going to stop Facebook in our country. We censor a lot of things, why not censor Facebook?," he added.
Donald Trump and Mark Zuckerberg
Trump spokeswoman hits out at Zuckerberg

Sunde also decried the technology world's lack of perspective. He denounced Facebook's policy requiring people to use their real name, as in some countries, this can get people persecuted and makes it hard to organize political movements.

"Mark Zuckerberg is a rich white dude from a really privileged background," Sunde said, explaining why he thinks the Facebook boss doesn't understand cultural differences.

"The reason for the real name policy is Mark Zuckerberg wants to make another dollar."
This firm may have just killed the hype surrounding blockchain

Still, Facebook has been working to reassure its users about privacy. It released a new privacy policy last year that made it easier for people to decide which posts are public or private. And WhatsApp, which Facebook owns, recently introduced full encryption.

Zuckerberg has also shared his own thoughts on privacy. In Apple's recent tussle with the FBI over unlocking an iPhone that belonged to one of the San Bernardino shooters, Zuckerberg said he is "sympathetic" to Apple. The iPhone maker refused to help authorities unlock the phone.

Facebook is also working on ways to let users customize what they see in the app, giving them ultimately more control.

It is amazing how staying off facebook does cost you in a few aspects,I am sure that employers look and wonder why this guy is not to be found online,what is he hiding!
Or I have some family members I never met in real life that started to contact me but wanted me to join facebook.
I refused and the emails thinned out,which is to bad but they where the young ones in the family that never met me.
The dynamice that facebook is creating online does not matter if they think they have our best interests anymore,they are going to start stepping on people for the greater good.


For their greater good.




Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on May 28, 2016, 03:54:33 AM
Yes. Thank you for correcting that for me,at first I thought you where referring to my family! :D


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2016, 06:39:49 AM
Sucker Burg is the male version of Angela Merkel. His main aim is to destroy the Western civilization, and replace it with an Islamic kleptocracy. His hatred for the white race is evident from each of his actions. I just hope that Donald Trump wins the presidency later this year and banishes morons like this retard from the United States.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on June 04, 2016, 02:05:50 PM






https://twitter.com/species8472xgn/status/738567824931622916





Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Evildrum on June 04, 2016, 06:11:59 PM
That ban is really a black eye on democracy,hopefully it is not a increasing trend for this site.
Some what doubtful that they will wake up and realize the damage they are doing.


Title: Re: Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
Post by: Wilikon on June 04, 2016, 08:00:30 PM
That ban is really a black eye on democracy,hopefully it is not a increasing trend for this site.
Some what doubtful that they will wake up and realize the damage they are doing.


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