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Title: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: kev7112001 on March 01, 2013, 01:26:30 AM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html

where's the pics I don't see them


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: bam91 on March 01, 2013, 01:32:56 AM
At least now there is official word that nothing is actually going on.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: juggalodarkclow on March 01, 2013, 01:54:46 AM
quote from BFL forum



Quote from: grnbrg;16468
BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Chips work.



grnbrg.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Jutarul on March 01, 2013, 01:55:37 AM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html

where's the pics I don't see them
use your imagination, will you?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Gomeler on March 01, 2013, 04:14:56 AM
quote from BFL forum



Quote from: grnbrg;16468
BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Chips work.



grnbrg.

Well shit. I guess I'm in my last month of GPU mining.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Evan on March 01, 2013, 04:15:51 AM
quote from BFL forum



Quote from: grnbrg;16468
BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Chips work.



grnbrg.

Well shit. I guess I'm in my last month of GPU mining.

WAITING FOR PAYCHECK TO CLEAR TO BUY 2 more..../jizz


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: kev7112001 on March 01, 2013, 05:06:24 AM
the pics are back  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=596&gal=gallery&type=full
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=597&gal=gallery&type=full
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=598&gal=gallery&type=full
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=599&gal=gallery&type=full
http://i46.tinypic.com/rqzpc4.png
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=589&gal=gallery&type=full
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=588&gal=gallery&type=full


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: creativex on March 01, 2013, 05:10:52 AM
I gotz no pics. :'(


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 01, 2013, 05:16:14 AM
I gotz no pics. :'(

Wouldn't it be funny if tomorrow we're informed the pics posted were of some other project that was provided by the third party? The good news being that those chips worked, albeit not BFL's. And that the facility is sending the correct pics later today.

Humor aside, I just thought of something while penning the above. Josh said the images came in at two in the morning (CST). Interesting!


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: kev7112001 on March 01, 2013, 05:18:40 AM
I wonder whats up with those pics one second they are there do a refresh then there gone


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 01, 2013, 05:24:25 AM
I wonder whats up with those pics one second they are there do a refresh then there gone

I'm telling you, dude! They usin' quantum chips. See them crossed wire goin' nowhere?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: crazyates on March 01, 2013, 05:38:20 AM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html

where's the pics I don't see them
Pics don't show up unless you're logged into the BFL forums. Log in (or create an account), and refresh the page. I couldn't even see them on this BitcoinTalk thread until I logged into the BFL forum.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: kev7112001 on March 01, 2013, 05:43:56 AM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-2.html

where's the pics I don't see them
Pics don't show up unless you're logged into the BFL forums. Log in (or create an account), and refresh the page. I couldn't even see them on this BitcoinTalk thread until I logged into the BFL forum.

its weird they show up sometimes without being logged in


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: ralree on March 01, 2013, 05:56:45 AM
quote from BFL forum



Quote from: grnbrg;16468
BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Chips work.



grnbrg.

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/dancing/pr1.gif

Now I just want my friggin' voucher so I can order more.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Evan on March 01, 2013, 01:46:48 PM
What are all the other extra holes for?



Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: crazyates on March 01, 2013, 01:56:08 PM
What are all the other extra holes for?
;)


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Evan on March 01, 2013, 01:59:59 PM
What are all the other extra holes for?
;)

I am serial here mang.... I still think BFL is a scam... I mean they have almost 10k of my cash


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: greyhawk on March 01, 2013, 02:10:39 PM
What are all the other extra holes for?



They are for the vapour to escape.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Evan on March 01, 2013, 02:30:55 PM
What are all the other extra holes for?



They are for the vapour to escape.

For my dreams and aspirations of being Pajama rich to evaporate too? Someone tell Josh to plug the holes with peanut oil


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: DrG on March 01, 2013, 08:04:24 PM
What are all the other extra holes for?



They are for the vapour to escape.

For my dreams and aspirations of being Pajama rich to evaporate too? Someone tell Josh to plug the holes with peanut oil

Canola or Olive oil is better.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: davecoin on March 02, 2013, 12:23:57 AM
What are all the other extra holes for?



They are for the vapour to escape.

For my dreams and aspirations of being Pajama rich to evaporate too? Someone tell Josh to plug the holes with peanut oil

Canola or Olive oil is better.

coconut oil ftw


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: kev7112001 on March 03, 2013, 04:10:39 AM
so what do you think?

http://i46.tinypic.com/rqzpc4.png


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Third Way on March 03, 2013, 07:41:13 AM
Ah shit, your ASIC arrived broke?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: kev7112001 on March 03, 2013, 08:32:27 AM
Did it quick with paint on a laptop


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: SLok on March 03, 2013, 01:10:04 PM
I thought it was grnbrg's work;
http://www.grnbrg.org/images/chip-merged.jpg


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Soros Shorts on March 03, 2013, 05:42:41 PM
If you make are making the assumption that there is one missing connector tab on each of the vertical edges, and that the tabs are of equal width and equally spaced, then you'd need to increase the vertical separtion by a few more pixels.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 03, 2013, 09:45:03 PM
Mash up a few more pics, and we'll have this chip made ourselves.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: ||bit on March 04, 2013, 02:59:23 AM
Weren't units suppose to ship in November 2012?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: PuertoLibre on March 04, 2013, 03:07:48 AM
Weren't units suppose to ship in November 2012?
https://i.imgur.com/cq6qYX8.png

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1201-how-butterfly-labs-sustainable-business.html

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1200-status-chips-5000-a.html


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: kev7112001 on March 12, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
we have completed boards

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/2165/27680213.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img138/2191/22798274.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img201/3606/33832937.png



Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: The-Real-Link on March 12, 2013, 12:48:59 AM
Beat me to it haha.  Yay ;). Looking good.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: johnyj on March 12, 2013, 01:28:06 AM
Little bit worried: With so many chips on the same board, it is quite difficult to have one single heat sink matching all of them perfectly, some kind of soft heat pad has to be used, and it need to be extremely soft to tolerate the pressure difference


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: PuertoLibre on March 12, 2013, 01:28:39 AM
I have to admit, it is a very nice product.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: cchan on March 12, 2013, 01:35:06 AM
looks good, but how it works?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Dargo on March 12, 2013, 04:38:30 AM
looks good, but how it works?
In theory?
 You plug it in, and it explodes sending out shrapnel.

If you plug it into a DC socket, the whole thing emits magic smoke and works as a smoke grenade.

(Yes, this is a joke!)

lol, instead of 32 BTC, you get 32 pieces of shrapnel in your left butt cheek. That is the true scam here folks - truth is stranger than troll fiction.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: ralree on March 12, 2013, 05:03:59 AM
Little bit worried: With so many chips on the same board, it is quite difficult to have one single heat sink matching all of them perfectly, some kind of soft heat pad has to be used, and it need to be extremely soft to tolerate the pressure difference

... and as far as I've read, that's exactly what they're doing (thermal pad).  I'll bet it works out.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: niko on March 12, 2013, 05:25:42 AM
What's withvall these wirebonds? I thought they were going the flip chip bga way...?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 12, 2013, 06:15:43 AM
The new boards look slightly different than the old boards. (images are linked to view larger sized)

http://imageshack.us/a/img138/2191/22798274.png (http://imageshack.us/a/img138/2191/22798274.png)

http://www.anonmgur.com/up/746d0a6ba54410ec39c8209abd266dc1.jpg (http://www.anonmgur.com/up/746d0a6ba54410ec39c8209abd266dc1.jpg)


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: kev7112001 on March 12, 2013, 07:36:36 AM
Cant wait to see the screen shots or video of it running


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 12, 2013, 07:44:20 AM
Cropped and oriented. Now compare.

Are those C451 and 2R2 components bidirectional?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8550136721_1e3490d105_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8551238476_c211dd9658_z.jpg
(click for larger size) (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8551238476_c211dd9658_b.jpg)


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: marra on March 12, 2013, 08:03:57 AM
Little bit worried: With so many chips on the same board, it is quite difficult to have one single heat sink matching all of them perfectly, some kind of soft heat pad has to be used, and it need to be extremely soft to tolerate the pressure difference

It's gonna be hot that's for sure, lets say 90°C... Why still no confirmation of a working device?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on March 12, 2013, 08:09:49 AM
Cropped and oriented. Now compare.

Are those C451 and 2R2 components bidirectional?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8550136721_1e3490d105_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8551238476_c211dd9658_z.jpg
(click for larger size) (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8551238476_c211dd9658_b.jpg)

(apologies for quoting myself, but done so purposely to have the above images on this new page, coupled with coinciding with the below follow-up)

I just figured it out. Somebody, correct me if I'm wrong. The bottom photo looks definitely shopped, with the markings placed on some components.

The eight chips in the bottom image are just shopped coloring. I'm going to put on my worn out tin foil hat now. Either the "smudged" chip was put there on purpose to start a conversation leading to it being blown because... Or it was an 'honest' error during the shopping process, and when it was pointed out, it was transformed into another opportunity to further the delay.

There seems to be a myriad of minor differences between these two boards. Bear in mind that the top board was photographed at an angle, whereas the bottom board was photographed straight down. Yet the markings in the top photo are clearer than the ones in bottom image, but for only some of the components--not all. In fact, in the bottom image, I'm able to read the fine print next to the resistors better than I can read the number 470 on those components, and I have bad eye site. Now, compare the 470 components between both boards.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: rudrigorc2 on March 12, 2013, 09:34:20 AM
could asic chips be made easy replaceable like a regular CPU?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: greyhawk on March 12, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
could asic chips be made easy replaceable like a regular CPU?

You can't make BGA packages replaceable, no.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: mezzomix on March 12, 2013, 09:43:36 AM
Wrong. There are sockets for BGA packages. But they are expensive and heat is a problem with those sockets. The socket we used in our last ASIC project was about 1000-2000 USD.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: greyhawk on March 12, 2013, 12:45:03 PM
Wrong. There are sockets for BGA packages. But they are expensive and heat is a problem with those sockets. The socket we used in our last ASIC project was about 1000-2000 USD.


Ok, let me rephrase that: You can't make BGA packages replaceable without incurring unreasonable cost and heat/connection problems.








....See Bitcoiners clamoring for BFL to add 16000 Dollars worth of sockets to each PCB in 3...2....1


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: BFL-Engineer on March 12, 2013, 02:25:28 PM
Cropped and oriented. Now compare.

Are those C451 and 2R2 components bidirectional?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8550136721_1e3490d105_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8551238476_c211dd9658_z.jpg
(click for larger size) (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8551238476_c211dd9658_b.jpg)

Yes as they are both inductors.


Regards,
Nasser


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: RoadStress on March 12, 2013, 06:39:02 PM
Where are the numbers BFL?


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS
Post by: Beta-coiner1 on March 12, 2013, 10:24:29 PM

I am serial here mang.... I still think BFL is a scam... I mean they have almost 10k of my cash
http://cdn.chud.com/8/83/83b400a9_thingpalmer_400.png

You gotta be f***** kidding?

I think Josh mentioned something about looking into the idea of offering something between a Single and Mini Rig....Micro Rig for 10,000 would be good here.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: kev7112001 on March 14, 2013, 04:02:29 AM
I cant wait to see them running


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: SLok on March 16, 2013, 01:40:06 AM
Quote
Luke-jr at his bfl blog:
So first the bad news: BFL didn't ship today. The "test rig" (which is not related to a "mini rig" at all) has a bad socket for the chip. The good news is, Nasser seems to have got it working anyway, and is well on the way to having the MCU working completely. Unfortunately, he didn't finish it today, but everything is looking good for completion Saturday evening. As soon as that's done, Josh is going to give me a call and I can begin on the BFGMiner end (which has been mostly complete for a few weeks now). So the good news is, BFL will probably be shipping next week (as opposed to another 3 week delay if anything besides the "test rig" was at fault for the testing problems).

In the meantime, Josh moved the BFL products page to DDoS-tolerant hosting, and they have a fancy new entrance at their new office. We celebrated Jody's 1 year anniversary working at BFL with pizza and cherry pies.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: kev7112001 on March 16, 2013, 06:39:37 AM
15 March 2013 Update

It's been a long couple days here at the labs! Trying to test the chip in the test rig has been exceptionally trying and it turns out it's due to a bad socket on the tester. Initially we were concerned there might be a problem with the bumping or substrate, but fortunately we had tested the chips prior with the wire bonding technique, so we knew they worked. Getting the test boards made proved to be fortuitous as well, since we were able to bypass the test rig completely and bring the chips up on the board. By doing so, we were able to finally identify that the problem was related directly to the test rig and not any intermediate process or step.

Bringing a chip to life in situ on a board is not the easiest thing, so it has been slow going. The chip was responding properly on the board late this afternoon and we will be picking up the process in the morning. We hope to have a more complete test by Saturday night or Sunday sometime. Meanwhile, we will also be hard soldering a chip into place for use in the test rig and replacing the socket to allow the bulk testing to finish. In some other positive news, we've not found a single bad chip yet, which could mean our yield rate will be exceptionally high... maybe we just got lucky out of the 50 chips we have available on boards so far, but it seems unlikely. So that may mean the vast majority of our chips will be usable.

So the good news is the boards work, the chips work, the bumping works, the substrate works. We just need to nail down a bit more with the firmware and we should be able to conduct a full test and start shipping.

I will be posting another update as soon as I have more information. Needless to say it's been a pretty busy and stressful last few days here, and some script kiddie deciding to DDoS our sites this morning didn't help matters. All connectivity problems should be resolved now and we will keep people updated as time allows.


Title: Re: BFL ASIC STATUS with pics(UPDATED)
Post by: Logik on March 16, 2013, 09:43:51 AM
Blind Faith Laboratories