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Haha good bet Jian.

Thanks, mate!

I also bet 100 WAVES for the odds of no one's taking the challenge. Because I believe whoever claims that WAVES will go down on the first day is not serious. They just want to entertain themselves with a piece of FUD, and don't believe their own words.

If you really think Wavers gonna dump, c'mon guyz escrow accepted.

Nobody will take your bet because it's moronic. Much better option to simply not buy the ico and watch for dump. Why don't you offer a 10 btc bet, using a trusted escrow, that waves will not dip below the ending ico price in first 24 hours?

Do you think George Soros is a moron?

I don't know if WAVES will go down or not, so I wouldn't place that bet (actually, that would be a bit moronic). What I would bet on is this: Those who say they believe that WAVES' price will drop do not actually believe in their own claims.

PS. The OP doesn't offer any bet. It offers lending WAVES tokens.

Interesting !

Who the fuck is George Soros? I said your bet offer was moronic, because it is.
Your answer says it all, Waves is probably going to dump hard.

The OP sounds like somebody who graduated from Finance school yesterday and he is name dropping names like George Soros to sound as if he has been around the finance world.
I too would love to name drop to prove you are an idiot. Be more professional, learn from the people in the financial industry.

How is it a 'better option' to not buy the ico and watch for dump? If Waves is going down, it is a 'much better option' to short sell it, book a profit, and buy back at a lower price - as the OP is offering you the opportunity to do.

In what universe is $0 profit better than more than $0 profit?

My bet offer is this: No one will take the challenge. Why would it be moronic?

You dare to take the short selling ask, or are you one of those people?

You sound like you have just started finance school. Sorry, buddy.

The first response of so many people on this forum is to use insult. You've made exactly 3 posts on here and already feel entitled to slam the OP.

Naming George Soros isn't name-dropping. Soros is an extremely well-known name, almost as much as Buffett. No one would choose him to 'name drop'.

Is he a moron? Well his politics usually are, but he certainly knows how to make money.

Reasonable deal, I don't know why people are getting upset about it. Don't take it up if you don't like it  ::)

Though I don't understand what the piece of shit George Soros has to do with it,... What a cunt.
He isn't a clever trader he is a crony capitalist who exports death around the world via his NGO's

Sooner someone puts a bullet in him the better.  hopefully a Ukrainian, That would be fair

OK let me clarify the Soros thing. @chesthing clearly blamed short selling as a moronic investment, and even went as far as claiming that simply not buying a security would be better than short selling in case of a price drop, as @Bimmerhead explained above why this couldn't be the case. I gave the name of George Soros not because I love him, but because of his very well known billion dollar British Pound short selling venture.

Easy to short when you know your buddies will push the price down for you

Really, well why don't you use Pablo Escobar too, since he made money.
Both you and the OP of the thread know your stuff.
Keep enlightening us with your knowledge of Warren Buffett and Soros.
You both sound like the Oligarchs who made money on scams the same way the OP is here is causing speculation.

He used Soros because he is famous for SHORT-SELLING, which the OP is inviting you to do here if you believe Waves is going down.

Haha man this conversation is gettin funny eh?

We are trying to show short selling MIGHT be profitable IF the price goes down :D

Nice option you have setup JollyTrades, interesting to see how it all plays out. Good luck with the loans!

this is actually an opportunity for someone who are good at shorting and buying at a certain low price. for those who have brave souls, the dumping will happen within 24 hours and thats just about enough for you.
 
maybe you can share this bet in the lisk thread so it attract potential takers. lot of users from lisk did it so they might as well grab this opportunity.

No you're wrong. The best bet if you believe it's going down is to borrow tokens to short it.
Making a profit is always better than no profit. There is nothing to argue.


So put your money where your mouth is and take the bet.
Words are worthless.


The is no scam and no oligarchy. Only a great deal if you believe it will go down. Take it or leave it.

Very interesting bet, and even more interesting way to advertise WAVES and the fact that you believe in that project.
Unfortunately for you, this means that you'll get less WAVES for your money, since I'd say that you will only convince more people to participate to the ICO.

Great idea, thanks!

If no one bet for this so far, I would like to try with my bet of -10.5 BTC inclucing the application fee.

OK. So now you will need to specify a stop-loss price at which you will be forced to buy back WAVES. Then, you will need to find an escrow, deposit him or her the amount of the collateral you need based on your stop-loss price, after which I will deposit the escrow's WAVES ICO account 10 BTC, after which you will send me 0.5 BTC.

The escrow should withdraw his or her WAVES from the ICO account to a reliable exchange, and give API access to you. You will be trading through the API, with the condition that the escrow is going to dismiss your API access, cancel all your orders, and buy WAVES tokens with the balance in case your stop-loss is hit, so that there will be enough WAVES in the account to pay your debt.

I should be informed beforehand about the exchange on which the trading take place. I have the right to cancel the bet if I don't like the proposed exchange, in which case everyone gets their money back.

Sounds like you found a taker...

I thought there would be no taker at all. Now there are two of them, one of whom contacted me via PM. Whoever could come up with the escrow and the other details arranged, he or she will take the ask.

Best,

Jian

Sure, I would absolutely like to take a bet that Waves is the first Crypto-ICO in history where the asset drops below ICO value on first day trading. :)

Well, congratulations! This'll be an interesting experiment: a pure OTC short.

So, with you included, there are three candidates for the ask. As I said, whoever comes up with the escrow and the details, he or she takes it.

Best,

Jian

I have noticed this is not the first time I saw an offer like this in the last few days.With people loaning out to short and a certain Ddos attack I still think it could jump 5x on the open.

Mycelium could be the tricky one as its coins are denominated in USD not BTC I am led to believe

What I don't understand is why a coin would jump on the open when anyone can buy as much as they want now at 1/5 the cost.

Odd, isn't it? And yet, it does happen from time to time. FOMO, maybe.

So all in all no one got the courage to short Waves. That's a good thing. It now reassures our belief, eh?

So no-one took you up on it, eh?

Nope. It seems no one is genuinely bearish :D

'Nuff said. ;)

I asked for help in another post for the same reason. I feel this may be an opportunity but I have no idea about new coins or ICO and pack most of the knowledge so aquire this coin. I know sometimes you must invest and first investors but how else can get waves ? Thank you so much

I will certainly short Waves at Yobit prices :)

Haha yeah, I wish to do so : )

Waves are still not on Yobit.

Guys, add more WAVES requests at Polo

https://www.poloniex.com/coinRequest

The liquidity there will be great!