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Title: [SOLVED] Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: hesapadim on May 31, 2016, 10:49:12 AM
Can gamble sites used for mixing btcs?
Like satoshimines

Example:

Deposit Transaction
1MyDirtyBitcoinAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyGambleSiteDepositAddress


Withdraw Transaction
1AnotherGamblersSiteDepositAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyNewBitcoinAddress


SOLVED
They still keep logs. It can mix bitcoins but they still can be traced by server logs


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: merelcoin on May 31, 2016, 10:52:47 AM
Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
It's possible i think? I did it few times

yes and no...
yes: if they're using a central hotwallet you could use them to deposit funds and then withdraw an equal sum, assuming it'll come from different inputs from their hot wallets.
no: they're not commited to keeping everything private... Their goal is to run a gambling site, not to mix coins. This means: they might keep logs to prove somebody deposited funds/withdrew, so if the governement raided their offices, they might find all traces from the coins you 'mixed'


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: BitBerau on May 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM
Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
It's possible i think? I did it few times
I am not sure, but when a casino gives u a deposit address, and then from that address u withdraw ur btc to your other wallet, it would be easy to trace it. When the casino holds their btc in one wallet it would be untraceable since all bitcoins would be sent to one address. Use bitmixer.io for a good mixing service.


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: The_prodigy on May 31, 2016, 11:13:49 AM
I think yes you can gamble with bitmixer receiving and sending.. you can deposit in gambling site with bitmixer and you can withdraw.. make sure that you send properly the settings of bitmixer and how much you can transfer..


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: merelcoin on May 31, 2016, 11:15:56 AM
I think yes you can gamble with bitmixer receiving and sending.. you can deposit in gambling site with bitmixer and you can withdraw.. make sure that you send properly the settings of bitmixer and how much you can transfer..

I'm not a native english speaker (so i might be wrong here), but i think the OP was asking if he could use a gambling site instead of a mixer... I'm pretty sure the way you describe (using a mixer to deposit to the gambling site) gives an extra level of anonimity, but i doubt if that was the OP's question (maybe the OP can conform or deny this?)


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: hesapadim on May 31, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
I deposit to a gamble site such as satoshimines
Then i withdraw from hot wallet

I think this method can be used as mixer service. No more paying to mixers?  ;D

Edit:
Example:

Deposit Transaction
1MyDirtyBitcoinAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyGambleSiteDepositAddress


Withdraw Transaction
1AnotherGamblersSiteDepositAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyNewBitcoinAddress


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: wintermeasures on May 31, 2016, 12:02:08 PM
Can gamble sites used for mixing btcs?
Like satoshimines

Example:

Deposit Transaction
1MyDirtyBitcoinAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyGambleSiteDepositAddress


Withdraw Transaction
1AnotherGamblersSiteDepositAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyNewBitcoinAddress

Of course it could, in my experience when deposits to gambling sites that do not affect you must use "MyDirtyBitcoinAddress" for withdraw. There must be a withdrawal option to "MyNewBitcoinAddress" . Thank you


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: merelcoin on May 31, 2016, 01:37:31 PM
Can gamble sites used for mixing btcs?
Like satoshimines

Example:

Deposit Transaction
1MyDirtyBitcoinAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyGambleSiteDepositAddress


Withdraw Transaction
1AnotherGamblersSiteDepositAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyNewBitcoinAddress

Of course it could, in my experience when deposits to gambling sites that do not affect you must use "MyDirtyBitcoinAddress" for withdraw. There must be a withdrawal option to "MyNewBitcoinAddress" . Thank you

I think my initial point is still valid: altough this might actually work, you're using a gambling site to mix coins.
I'm pretty sure a gambling site will keep logs. They'll probably keep tx'id's with the inputs for their deposit addresses, ip's emails, timestamps,... They'll probably log all this info just in case somebody starts making scam accusations on this forum. They'll want to be able to trace deposits to accounts and connect user ip's to this information.

Bottom line: if you want to hide your coin movements so your wife doesn't know how much bitcoin you hold, this method might be great. However, if a hacker stole the casino's database, or when the police seizes the database, they'll connect your dirtyaddress and mynewbitcoinaddress in a heartbeat, together with your ip, the timezone, your emailaddres, your language, your birthdate?, maybe even a scanned id.


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: socks435 on May 31, 2016, 02:38:26 PM
Looks like a good idea never tried it yet maybe it will work i will try it soon while i am gamble.. so i dont need to pay for mixer instead o using bitmixers or cryptomixer it can save your bitcoins fee and you can only pay for miners fee.. but i think depends in the gambling sites..


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: Shinpako09 on May 31, 2016, 02:53:51 PM
I think yes you can gamble with bitmixer receiving and sending.. you can deposit in gambling site with bitmixer and you can withdraw.. make sure that you send properly the settings of bitmixer and how much you can transfer..
I think thats not what op meant to say. What op want to say is if those gambling sites are can be used as mixer instead of going to a bitcoin mixer site(example:bitmixer.io) correct me if im wrong.


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: Pursuer on May 31, 2016, 03:18:01 PM
yes
if you just want to mix your coins so a regular person can not find the link between the old coins and the new ones you just received.

no
if you have other purposes.
the difference between gambling sites (or any other service like exchangers) and a mixer is that mixers do not keep any record while others will keep a record and you are not really hiding anything if that is your purpose.

p.s. there is the matter of trust and also there might be some rules about withdrawal (like making a number of bets before being able to withdraw) so read TOS before.


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: notlist3d on May 31, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
Can gamble sites used for mixing btcs?
Like satoshimines

Example:

Deposit Transaction
1MyDirtyBitcoinAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyGambleSiteDepositAddress


Withdraw Transaction
1AnotherGamblersSiteDepositAddress ---0.1 BTC--> 1MyNewBitcoinAddress

I would say no as no doubt I think gambling sites would keep records.  So there is a possibility a goverment agency could get that info if pushed. Granted depends on country wanting it and where site is hosted.  I just don't see it as a Mixer on any gambling site.

I personally don't use mixers have no reason to as I feel I'm not doing anything "bad".  But I still think best way to stay anomyous if you needed is just mine it yourself.


Title: Re: Can Gamble Sites Used as Bitcoin Mixers?
Post by: vero on May 31, 2016, 06:05:18 PM
can be yes or no, yes because the deposit address it's only for your account but the owner that gambling site can record your transaction, it's different with bitcoin mixing services they will keep your transaction record safe.