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Title: A new name for mining
Post by: jl2012 on March 08, 2013, 09:12:55 AM
I think the word "mining" does not really reflect the nature of the work. As we have moved to ASIC era, mining will become a more specialized activity and no longer a way to attract new users. To make it sounds more professional, I think we should rename it to "transaction validation"/"transaction processing", and miners to "transaction validators"/"transaction processors".

Any thought?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: misterbigg on March 08, 2013, 09:18:37 AM
How about "mining?"


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: VeeMiner on March 08, 2013, 09:25:00 AM
How about "mining?"


I concur


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: malevolent on March 08, 2013, 09:26:05 AM
How about ''accountants''?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: herzmeister on March 08, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
some have been proposing "auditing".

it seems to me that the term "mining" indeed has always been kind of unfortunate. It makes people suspicious ("what ?!? ??? free money with the graphics card ?!?? ???"), especially gold bugs ("that crap is not _real_ money !!!1!! and they say _mine_ it !!! like gold !!!1! ridiculous !!!1!").

something like "auditing" is much more neutral, and it's more intuitive to understand that users get rewarded for running hardware and software that is auditing transactions.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Parazyd on March 08, 2013, 11:49:25 AM
How about

http://riotandfrolic.typepad.com/.a/6a015431fc4e55970c017ee5e35b15970d-800wi


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Killdozer on March 08, 2013, 12:13:20 PM
Quote
How about ... winning
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/standing-ovation.gif


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Akka on March 08, 2013, 12:38:46 PM
Hmm...

https://i.imgur.com/FAVyM.gif


Would this be better?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Endgame on March 08, 2013, 12:43:28 PM
'Transaction validation/processing' may be more accurate, but it lacks the simple appeal of 'mining' imo. Renaming such a widely used term would be extremely difficult in any case.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on March 08, 2013, 12:43:54 PM
Lets try a new name for Satoshi while we're at it....................Oh, and the BTC logo, we SOoo need to change that too.

Hashing?........What!?.  "Sorry, I don't do drugs"


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: thoughtfan on March 08, 2013, 12:48:02 PM
some have been proposing "auditing".
Good approximation of a descriptor but the Scientology connotations...?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on March 08, 2013, 12:49:38 PM
some have been proposing "auditing".
Good approximation of a descriptor but the Scientology connotations...?

This person has a point....


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: hazek on March 08, 2013, 12:52:36 PM
Mike Hearn want's us to believe (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149668.msg1599676#msg1599676) it should be called "Heating, inefficient but with a few added benefits!"  :D


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: BlackBison on March 08, 2013, 12:54:57 PM
When talking to newbies I describe the network as a collection of independent auditors, who verify all the transactions in return for a small fee. Then later on I might use the word mining and compare it to gold/silver once they roughly understand the concept.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: hazek on March 08, 2013, 12:58:28 PM
When talking to newbies I describe the network as a collection of independent auditors, who verify all the transactions in return for a small fee. Then later on I might use the word mining and compare it to gold/silver once they roughly understand the concept.

This really should be the go to phrase and way of introducing new people to mining, many say it and I agree that it's the easiest to grasp.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on March 08, 2013, 01:05:14 PM
When talking to newbies I describe the network as a collection of independent auditors, who verify all the transactions in return for a small fee. Then later on I might use the word mining and compare it to gold/silver once they roughly understand the concept.

'Ok, that's good and all, but where do I get coins?'............From the independent auditors?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Sukrim on March 08, 2013, 01:06:04 PM
Currently there's still more than 10% inflation per year because of _mining_. Once this number falls below 1% or so, you might want to call it something else, but at the moment the main income of miners is creating NEW coins, not auditing transactions.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: hazek on March 08, 2013, 01:17:37 PM
Currently there's still more than 10% inflation per year because of _mining_. Once this number falls below 1% or so, you might want to call it something else, but at the moment the main income of miners is creating NEW coins, not auditing transactions.

You miss what is important. Being allowed to issue coins does not matter to Bitcoin and with it alone Bitcoin fails miserably. It's the validating of transactions part which keeps Bitcoin functioning, the issuing of new bitcoins and fees are just the benefits.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: WiW on March 08, 2013, 02:17:36 PM
When talking to newbies I describe the network as a collection of independent auditors, who verify all the transactions in return for a small fee. Then later on I might use the word mining and compare it to gold/silver once they roughly understand the concept.

'Ok, that's good and all, but where do I get coins?'............From the independent auditors?

Get someone to pay you for work.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: debianlinux on March 08, 2013, 02:26:47 PM
Yeah makes perfect sense to give it a name we all know ahead of time will be antiquated, deprecated and require explanation about how it used to be forever and ever amen.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Merralea on March 08, 2013, 03:00:37 PM
This.

On topic: the term has stuck whether you like it or not. In all likelihood it will change of its own accord once actual mining is virtually nonexistent. Until then, calling it something else is akin to vegans that refer to meat as "animal carcass" or the like-- I know what you're saying, but it mostly just makes you look pretentious.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: misterbigg on March 08, 2013, 03:13:52 PM
"Mining" is actually a wonderful term. People immediately think about precious metals like gold. The word implies that anyone can get into the game, just grab a pick-axe and go! And it also implies some sort of reward. As far as marketing goes, "mining" is genius. Who cares if it's not technically accurate" The word encourages action.

"Auditing" is a term only an accountant would love. The negative connotations are severe (at least, here in the U.S.).



Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: veteranBtc on March 08, 2013, 04:46:18 PM
Hmm...

https://i.imgur.com/FAVyM.gif


Would this be better?
This, make my day  :D


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Bitobsessed on March 08, 2013, 05:25:00 PM

How about Bitsharting?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: greyhawk on March 08, 2013, 05:32:05 PM
Couching


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: franky1 on March 08, 2013, 07:09:27 PM
"Mining" is actually a wonderful term. People immediately think about precious metals like gold. The word implies that anyone can get into the game, just grab a pick-axe and go! And it also implies some sort of reward. As far as marketing goes, "mining" is genius. Who cares if it's not technically accurate" The word encourages action.

"Auditing" is a term only an accountant would love. The negative connotations are severe (at least, here in the U.S.).

mining is actually a term to make people immediately think about precious metals...

but its not a precious metal.
but its not a commodity (raw material) that can be used to make other products
but its not a element on the periodic table of elements
but its not a physical item you can hold.

so calling it mining is just to add speculated imaginary value by making people imagine gold.

its better to call it something that resembles what it actually is. so auditing is a closer term to use, as is
'vectoring' due to the use of the elliptic curve which is part of the bitcoin system.
'hashing' i would even say 'hashing analyst' but the noobs would be saying "oh look they said anal"


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Transisto on March 08, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
Mining is the outcome of securing the network.

I use either one of them depending on the context,  When explaining bitcoin as a whole I often use Securing.

People running clients are, relaying, storing, and validating block and transactions.  Is that accurate ?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: hazek on March 08, 2013, 08:41:17 PM
People running clients are, relaying, storing, and validating block and transactions.  Is that accurate ?

It is.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Peter Lambert on March 08, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
Why not just call it "processing"?

Like this hypothetical statement: "I just got my ASIC bitcoin processor in the mail the other day, now it is processing away at 2 Ths. I like being a processor because it helps the network, plus I get the 25 bitcoin processing reward when I hit a block."

Seems to work for me, thoughts?


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: drawingthesun on March 09, 2013, 04:49:21 PM
Mike Hearn want's us to believe (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149668.msg1599676#msg1599676) it should be called "Heating, inefficient but with a few added benefits!"  :D

I was following alone with that thread the other day, it was pure comedy.

"Sorry dear, we can't heat the house today, the internet connection to the heater is down and it won't function without a line to the Bitcoin network. :)"


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Littleshop on March 09, 2013, 05:00:09 PM
Why not just call it "processing"?

Like this hypothetical statement: "I just got my ASIC bitcoin processor in the mail the other day, now it is processing away at 2 Ths. I like being a processor because it helps the network, plus I get the 25 bitcoin processing reward when I hit a block."

Seems to work for me, thoughts?

I agree.  I am fine with mining because it is so ingrained into bitcoin but while boring "transaction processing" fits the bill and gives no false illusions of easy profit. 


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: mjsbuddha on March 09, 2013, 05:30:24 PM
less then 1 GHash = prospecting

1 GHash - 999GHash = mining


1THash+ = strip mining


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on March 09, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
For an ordinary human being "mining" looks like "miners" talk to Satoshi's spirit asking for divine revelation called "nonce". "Mining" should be named "performing [of religious rites]".


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Bitcoinpro on March 10, 2013, 04:58:47 AM
securitization and its the real type not funny money banking type  ;)


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Lethn on March 10, 2013, 04:59:45 PM
I think if it is ever changed generating might be the most appropriate term? Doesn't bother me too much, what bothers me is when people try to invent their own numbers and math like with stupid crap like 'satoshis'.


Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: mobodick on March 10, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
How about "mining?"


How about "crafting"?



Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: joecooin on March 10, 2013, 11:02:25 PM

How about "digging it out of the digital underground"?

No, seriously, I think "mining" is quite a perfect metaphor and term.

It even communicates Bitcoin's characteristics as a quantitavely limited digital commodity through it's analogy to pm and it creates the association with "work to do".

And it is already established.

Joe




Title: Re: A new name for mining
Post by: Littleshop on March 11, 2013, 03:44:59 AM
less then 1 GHash = prospecting

1 GHash - 999GHash = mining


1THash+ = strip mining

10 THash = thermonuclear mining