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Title: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: Mike 71 on June 11, 2011, 03:29:44 PM
Hello,

i am  mining since 10 days now and just wondered about those block:

http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000007d6d8c9ccd1472df92b69ae8bf0d1a06f6f42df8d580a080f0e

someone got 17000 BTC in one transaction from arround 240 Accounts.

Someone has a clue about that?

Greetings
Mike



Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: DarkKnightNomeD on June 11, 2011, 03:30:17 PM
mtgox?


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: Convery on June 11, 2011, 03:37:23 PM
Ye, probably some pool/exchange moving BTC.. if it would be stolen then it probably wouldn't be moved in 50BTC transactions..

Also one transaction for 5450 =P


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: urtur on June 11, 2011, 03:38:22 PM
I'd bet internal deepbit movement.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: error on June 11, 2011, 03:38:27 PM
I think you've found our mystery seller from mtgox this morning. Most of those are VERY old generated blocks.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: Mike 71 on June 11, 2011, 03:44:40 PM
Yes your right, produced in 2009.

Must have been 'good old times' ;)


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: yyduinihao0 on June 11, 2011, 06:19:39 PM
Interesting to know.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: qarl on June 11, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
I think you've found our mystery seller from mtgox this morning. Most of those are VERY old generated blocks.

what makes you think that's some kind of sale?  it looks like someone's aggregating their funds into a single account - and the most likely explanation for that is a transfer to an exchange.  (or just bookkeeping - but the client makes this sort of bookkeeping unnecessary.)


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: spectacular on June 11, 2011, 07:05:46 PM
I'm new to the game but many accounts to one means someone at least has tons of machines they control where they can aggregate funds.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: Sukrim on June 11, 2011, 07:07:31 PM
I think you've found our mystery seller from mtgox this morning. Most of those are VERY old generated blocks.
what makes you think that's some kind of sale?

Look at MtGox trade data a bit after 12PM UTC today and prepare to be amazed...
Someone cashed out nearly a quarter million USD.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: bcpokey on June 11, 2011, 07:28:46 PM
I think you guys are focusing on the wrong thing. There was 17000 BTC moved in one transaction, and that jackass paid a transaction fee of .29 bitcoins. What a jerk.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: lemonginger on June 11, 2011, 07:37:21 PM
I think you guys are focusing on the wrong thing. There was 17000 BTC moved in one transaction, and that jackass paid a transaction fee of .29 bitcoins. What a jerk.

heh.



Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: aceman1011 on June 11, 2011, 08:20:08 PM
Now we know where all the stolen btc. From MtGox went...


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: aahzmundus on June 11, 2011, 09:29:13 PM
doesn't each generated block go to a new address?  IE this is someone who had old bitcoins and was like ... oh, i have 250thousand from that silly program I ran years ago... that's nice!  and cashed out?

The reason bitcoin is so valued right now is because of these coins that are not in circulation.  It's a good thing that these old coins are getting back into the mix, it makes the currency more stable the more spread out the coins are.  We have to get this sort of thing out of our system...

Imagine what would happen if some of the people with 100k+ cashed out!


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: Burt on June 11, 2011, 09:36:33 PM
doesn't each generated block go to a new address?  IE this is someone who had old bitcoins and was like ... oh, i have 250thousand from that silly program I ran years ago... that's nice!  and cashed out?

The reason bitcoin is so valued right now is because of these coins that are not in circulation.  It's a good thing that these old coins are getting back into the mix, it makes the currency more stable the more spread out the coins are.  We have to get this sort of thing out of our system...

Imagine what would happen if some of the people with 100k+ cashed out!


http://blockexplorer.com/tx/16b292ac07ccde99b022812ff7ad260376b11c6adf7f79f725cea64933d294f8


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: JoeNZ on June 11, 2011, 11:45:24 PM
LulzSec did it.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: Sukrim on June 11, 2011, 11:47:46 PM
LulzSec would claim they killed the pope if he dies tonight just to get some fanbois to go like this --> :o <--

 ::)


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: error on June 12, 2011, 05:31:25 AM
I think you've found our mystery seller from mtgox this morning. Most of those are VERY old generated blocks.

what makes you think that's some kind of sale?  it looks like someone's aggregating their funds into a single account - and the most likely explanation for that is a transfer to an exchange.  (or just bookkeeping - but the client makes this sort of bookkeeping unnecessary.)

Because someone dumped about 17,000 BTC on mtgox about 30 minutes after this transaction, driving the price down from 20 to 13. Didn't you hear about it?


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: casascius on June 12, 2011, 05:46:16 AM
I think you've found our mystery seller from mtgox this morning. Most of those are VERY old generated blocks.

what makes you think that's some kind of sale?  it looks like someone's aggregating their funds into a single account - and the most likely explanation for that is a transfer to an exchange.  (or just bookkeeping - but the client makes this sort of bookkeeping unnecessary.)

Because someone dumped about 17,000 BTC on mtgox about 30 minutes after this transaction, driving the price down from 20 to 13. Didn't you hear about it?

That "single account" may very well have been a receiving address provided by MtGox.  If so, those BTC will sit there up until the point MtGox uses that transaction to pay off a future withdrawal.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: Sukrim on June 12, 2011, 09:24:29 AM
That "single account" may very well have been a receiving address provided by MtGox.  If so, those BTC will sit there up until the point MtGox uses that transaction to pay off a future withdrawal.

Hardly, did you even look at it on blockexplorer? These BTC were mined! Some as early as 2009...


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: netxshare on June 12, 2011, 12:28:03 PM
 https://twitter.com/LulzSec/status/79689574313492480 (https://twitter.com/LulzSec/status/79689574313492480)
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12904.0 (https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12904.0)

That's where it came from.


Title: Re: 17000 BTC from 240 accounts
Post by: error on June 12, 2011, 12:35:49 PM
https://twitter.com/LulzSec/status/79689574313492480 (https://twitter.com/LulzSec/status/79689574313492480)
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12904.0 (https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12904.0)

That's where it came from.

There doesn't seem to be any connection between those two events. Nor is LulzSec claiming to actually have owned those bitcoins. (Not likely, since they appear to have been sold yesterday for somewhere around a quarter million USD.)