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Title: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: Piper67 on March 08, 2013, 05:53:21 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2013/03/08/first-bitcoin-hedge-fund-launches-from-malta/

Oh yeah!


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: cypherdoc on March 08, 2013, 06:09:01 PM
go baby, go!


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: paraipan on March 08, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
go baby, go!

+1  8)


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 08, 2013, 06:21:50 PM
No USA allowed.    :o


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: TraderTimm on March 08, 2013, 07:05:42 PM
No USA allowed.    :o

You can thank the US Financial Tyrants for that. Just one more reason to use bitcoin...


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: evoorhees on March 08, 2013, 07:40:49 PM
No USA allowed.    :o

You can thank the US Financial Tyrants for that. Just one more reason to use bitcoin...

Land of the Free!


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: Stephen Gornick on March 08, 2013, 07:41:29 PM
I can just picture some Wall Street veteran hedgie reading this article and seeing all the steps needed to protect a bitcoin investment and then after looking up how Shamir's Secret Sharing scheme works thinking that maybe March 2013 would be a good month to enter retirement before it gets just too complicated.


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: phelix on March 08, 2013, 08:02:21 PM
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017d3d759ecf970c-800wi.jpg


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: Raoul Duke on March 08, 2013, 08:16:59 PM
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017d3d759ecf970c-800wi.jpg

Does it explode 40s after lift-off?


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: phelix on March 08, 2013, 09:14:06 PM
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017d3d759ecf970c-800wi.jpg

Does it explode 40s after lift-off?

Dude! this is a Saturn V. Only vehicle ever to bring us to the moon.


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: hazek on March 09, 2013, 01:12:45 AM
I can just picture some Wall Street veteran hedgie reading this article and seeing all the steps needed to protect a bitcoin investment and then after looking up how Shamir's Secret Sharing Service works thinking that maybe March 2013 would be a good month to enter retirement before it gets just too complicated.

Hahahaha man that cracked me up.  :D


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: iCEBREAKER on March 09, 2013, 01:50:33 AM
Let's help ukyo, MP, and burnside convince these big investors to put massive quantities of cash into the securities trading on their exchanges!


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: Raoul Duke on March 09, 2013, 01:53:03 AM
Let's help ukyo, MP, and burnside convince these big investors to put massive quantities of cash into the securities trading on their exchanges!

Regulated hedge fund investing on fly-by-night illegal securities exchanges? Right...


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: ArticMine on March 09, 2013, 02:40:26 AM
No USA allowed.    :o

... but in this case Canada is allowed since it is not treated as the 51st state.


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: iCEBREAKER on March 09, 2013, 05:52:17 AM
Let's help ukyo, MP, and burnside convince these big investors to put massive quantities of cash into the securities trading on their exchanges!

Regulated hedge fund investing on fly-by-night illegal securities exchanges? Right...

It's only illegal when you get caught and don't pay the lawyer caste their massive due sum...

Let us act as if we are free, and expect the rest of the world to follow our example.

That is the gift of Satoshi!


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: cbeast on March 09, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
I can just picture some Wall Street veteran hedgie reading this article and seeing all the steps needed to protect a bitcoin investment and then after looking up how Shamir's Secret Sharing Service works thinking that maybe March 2013 would be a good month to enter retirement before it gets just too complicated.

Hahahaha man that cracked me up.  :D
The timing is auspicious. Bitcoin could hasten the end of crony capitalism as the rats jump off the burning ship and Bitcoin becomes a pro tip for the flying monkey right.


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: el_rlee on March 09, 2013, 02:35:44 PM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: 01BTC10 on March 09, 2013, 02:38:36 PM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?
They will act as a regulated, intuitive and safe proxy for rich investors to buy bitcoins. Bought bitcoins will be stored in a TrueCrypt container.


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: el_rlee on March 09, 2013, 02:43:37 PM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?
They will act as a regulated, intuitive and safe proxy for rich investors to buy bitcoins. Bought bitcoins will be stored in a TrueCrypt container.

Okay - hence the 100k$ min. That's for setting up all the secure storage things etc... What's the 3.2M then?


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: matonis on March 09, 2013, 03:14:06 PM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?

They have been acquiring BTC over the last 6-9 months or even earlier, but they wouldn't say their entry price. I'm fairly certain that their average is sub-$15. This is just the first time they've talked about it for a formal announcement. The $3.2 million is an estimate based on current BTC assets of 80,000 at $40:1 BTC exchange rate.


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: cypherdoc on March 09, 2013, 05:46:25 PM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?

They have been acquiring BTC over the last 6-9 months or even earlier, but they wouldn't say their entry price. I'm fairly certain that their average is sub-$15. This is just the first time they've talked about it for a formal announcement. The $3.2 million is an estimate based on current BTC assets of 80,000 at $40:1 BTC exchange rate.

aha, so they're the ones. lol  :D


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: phelix on March 09, 2013, 06:54:28 PM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?

They have been acquiring BTC over the last 6-9 months or even earlier, but they wouldn't say their entry price. I'm fairly certain that their average is sub-$15. This is just the first time they've talked about it for a formal announcement. The $3.2 million is an estimate based on current BTC assets of 80,000 at $40:1 BTC exchange rate.
does that mean they stopped buying now?


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: davout on March 09, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Great article!
Guess Matonis changed his mind about the whole regulation thing ;)


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: el_rlee on March 10, 2013, 02:36:13 AM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?

They have been acquiring BTC over the last 6-9 months or even earlier, but they wouldn't say their entry price. I'm fairly certain that their average is sub-$15. This is just the first time they've talked about it for a formal announcement. The $3.2 million is an estimate based on current BTC assets of 80,000 at $40:1 BTC exchange rate.

A hedgefund is gambling? Shouldn't they normally try to be "risk-neutral" and go for the safe buck?


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: 01BTC10 on March 10, 2013, 02:56:58 AM
Could somebody explain what this fund is doing in simple words? They took 2M5€ and bought Bitcoin with it? That cannot be it...
Basically IMHO they would have to act as kind of pass-trough for Bitcoin buying and selling. Any details available? When is (or did) their money gonna hit the exchange(s)?

They have been acquiring BTC over the last 6-9 months or even earlier, but they wouldn't say their entry price. I'm fairly certain that their average is sub-$15. This is just the first time they've talked about it for a formal announcement. The $3.2 million is an estimate based on current BTC assets of 80,000 at $40:1 BTC exchange rate.

A hedgefund is gambling? Shouldn't they normally try to be "risk-neutral" and go for the safe buck?
Like Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers?


Title: Re: 2013-03-08 Forbes/Matonis First Bitcoin Hedge Fund Announced
Post by: el_rlee on March 10, 2013, 02:59:24 AM
at least not gamble in a way you and I can understand...