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Title: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: DarkThrones on June 13, 2016, 06:14:13 PM
I think since using martingale we often run into huge streaks of loss that maybe it will be profitable to use reverse martingale to have a 10-15 doubling win streak. Has anybody used it and what do you think?


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: philiveyjr on June 13, 2016, 07:03:21 PM
Well considering that each method does not get you to be +EV, each method would make you lose in the end. Anti-martingale is no different. The only thing that will be different from Martingale is the time it takes for you to go bust.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: The_prodigy on June 13, 2016, 07:40:55 PM
I already tried that method reverse method is the same result as normal martingale method.. and i think its always depends in luck not in strategy like that.. i never made any profit with that method.. unless if you can make even a small amount there and you can accept and satisfied what you can make a profit and stop..


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: elite3000 on June 13, 2016, 07:59:30 PM
What is reverse martingale?

You halve your bet at loss, or something like that?


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: philiveyjr on June 13, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
What is reverse martingale?

You halve your bet at loss, or something like that?

Its just like martingale , but instead of doubling your bet on a loss, you double on a win. So if your initial bet was 1$, then you would bet 2 on a win, and 4 on another win after that. You would stop at a predecided win streak.

Read up more about it here http://www.roulettestrategy.net/strategy/reverse-martingale/


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: adaseb on June 13, 2016, 10:23:47 PM
Yeah I did have some small success in the past but its phychologically hard to keep betting after 7-8 wins in a row. Because you keep thinking you will lose but instead you win.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: koshgel on June 13, 2016, 10:28:07 PM
Why would reverse Martingale be more successful than ordinary Martingale? They both bank on the player hitting big streaks.  Hit and run style of betting is the most successful long term. You might not win a lot in a session but at least you won't be bankrupt either.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: Orange Mango on June 13, 2016, 10:29:53 PM
I did and it seemed even worse then martingale. Poof gone in seconds. Over.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: EdenHazard on June 13, 2016, 10:30:13 PM
Yeah I did have some small success in the past but its phychologically hard to keep betting after 7-8 wins in a row. Because you keep thinking you will lose but instead you win.
there no strategy in gambling , we have realize it. keep dreaming to win steady by gamble , it is almost impossible to make it happen as house edge always win , and bookies are smarter than us.

martingale or reverse martingale is just same, will not work to make you win in long run.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: janggernaut on June 13, 2016, 10:47:20 PM
Yup, i did used reverse martingale, but i used it on higher chance (>80%), so i got long streak wins while used that strat. But, this strat  can make you bust too if you let your bets going to higher. So just stop/reset it while you got many greens (maybe 5 wins)


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: actmyname on June 13, 2016, 10:50:39 PM
Why would reverse Martingale be more successful than ordinary Martingale? They both bank on the player hitting big streaks.  Hit and run style of betting is the most successful long term. You might not win a lot in a session but at least you won't be bankrupt either.
No strategy is particularly better than the others [considering probability] and thus even hit and run (over a long time) will eventually have the same chance of losing as going all in.

Or perhaps consider this:

You bet $100 on a 1.98x payout, with a 50% chance of winning. The house edge is 1% and takes $1 from you.

You bet $10 ten times on a 1.98x payout, with a 50% chance of winning. The house edge is 1% and takes $0.10 every time you bet [let's say you win every time], which adds up to $1.

It's the same and albeit you may last longer the more you bet the more you give to the house edge.


Let me quote from The Wizard of Odds (http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/): "All betting systems are equal to flat betting when compared this way, as they should be. In other words, all betting systems are equally worthless."


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: Shinpako09 on June 13, 2016, 11:26:09 PM
Whatever kind of martingale it is, the result would be the same as normal martingale. Its still a martingale that could make your balance zero. There is no strategy in gambling that could make you win more than you lose unless you got lucky.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: hua_hui on June 14, 2016, 12:34:47 AM
It will still be the house advantage if you try reverse martingale. The reverse martingale is similar to betting x10000 with very small amount, so when you win, you win big. Both methods have been proven to be not effective due to the house edge.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: fullypak on June 14, 2016, 01:54:24 AM
It will still be the house advantage if you try reverse martingale. The reverse martingale is similar to betting x10000 with very small amount, so when you win, you win big. Both methods have been proven to be not effective due to the house edge.

That is true. Any of these methods will not work in the long run, and both will have the same result. As long as one just play for some time and try their luck both may work but there is not guaranty one can make profits every time. So just gamble for fun and enjoy the fun part of the game.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: sukamasoto on June 14, 2016, 01:55:38 AM
Never !

I'm usually pay with small bet but using high multiplier so if I hit, I win big
rather than I'm lossing at the end, I'm prefer being loss on the beginning


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: BayAreaCoins on June 14, 2016, 01:57:57 AM
I usually use a reverse martingale when I'm trying to dig myself out of a hole.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: bering on June 14, 2016, 07:19:21 AM
actually currently i dont trust any longer for martingale strategy because it does working only once time but for second time i did use it these strategy make me losing my money with very fast and since that i was never use these strategy again during a gambling


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: elyas772 on June 14, 2016, 07:24:53 AM
Never !

I'm usually pay with small bet but using high multiplier so if I hit, I win big
rather than I'm lossing at the end, I'm prefer being loss on the beginning

yes of course, I also did a martingale with small bets in the beginning, I do not think if use reverse martingale, may first click I lost all


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: ajaxmoor on June 14, 2016, 08:03:29 AM
I wish there was a strategy that allowed me to bet on losing streaks. Hell, thats what I get the most so I definitely would bet on those streaks. Wouldn't even mind giving the casino edge on me winning then. I have found anti-martingale to be more successful for me, despite both causing you to lose in the long run, it  has been more efficient than normal martingale.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: RealPhotoshoper on June 14, 2016, 08:26:08 AM
actually currently i dont trust any longer for martingale strategy because it does working only once time but for second time i did use it these strategy make me losing my money with very fast and since that i was never use these strategy again during a gambling
first time i used martingale i think it is the perfect method to earn money from casino, it is looks so easy.
but when i hit a streak lost , i started feel awful. this method suck my bankroll so fast.
since that time i learn that martingale method are the worst thing to do, but this reverse martingale itself i not yet tested it.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: LiQuidx on June 14, 2016, 08:29:17 AM
Reverse or normal Martingale will always have the same unfortunate end unless you stop in time. Both of these depend on streaks (winning or losing), so it all depends on your luck. The thing in both cases it to stop before your luck runs out.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: Semidetached on June 14, 2016, 08:37:39 AM
No I haven't before but maybe I'll give it a go with faucet money and try to hit a big streak to cash out. I feel like that could be a decent strategy because you're free rolling with a chance to get good btc.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: Whosdaddy on June 14, 2016, 03:11:18 PM
I already tried that method reverse method is the same result as normal martingale method.. and i think its always depends in luck not in strategy like that.. i never made any profit with that method.. unless if you can make even a small amount there and you can accept and satisfied what you can make a profit and stop..
No method will be work in this kind of gambling games unless you can crack the programme or website. Programmer always set programme for website owner win in this case if one people win instead must two people lose. So, if you can not crack the programme or website at the end you must be a loser.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: shanem on June 14, 2016, 03:50:44 PM
The point of reverse martingale is to ride the winning streak and walk away with a large win. However, the problem is you do not know when you will lose your next bet. There is a high chance that you will lose everything including your initial capital and previous winnings when you lose.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: mindrust on June 14, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
Reverse or not, it is the same poison in a different bottle.

You can't win a purely lucky dependent game by "inventing" new strategies. You can come up with any strategy you like, the chances always be the same.

Stay away from martingale, reverse or not. It is dangerous.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: cluit on June 15, 2016, 08:09:27 PM
I already tried that method reverse method is the same result as normal martingale method.. and i think its always depends in luck not in strategy like that.. i never made any profit with that method.. unless if you can make even a small amount there and you can accept and satisfied what you can make a profit and stop..
No method will be work in this kind of gambling games unless you can crack the programme or website. Programmer always set programme for website owner win in this case if one people win instead must two people lose. So, if you can not crack the programme or website at the end you must be a loser.
Yes, in casinos I haven't found out any of the strategies yet that can make you profit in long run as the reverse martingale works same as the simple one for me too.. It is better to play for short term only and stop when you gain little profit.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: adaseb on June 15, 2016, 09:48:22 PM
Well in the end, reverse martingale won't make you money either since there is a house edge. Only reason to do it if you can get lucky at the beginning of your rolls before the house edge affects your earnings.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: RussianRaibow on June 15, 2016, 10:06:47 PM
It doesn't matter what you do.  It all comes down to the math.  If you play long enough, the only way you are going to come out ahead is by luck.  No "strategy" can beat the odds of the house edge.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: The_prodigy on June 15, 2016, 10:14:00 PM
I already tried that method reverse method is the same result as normal martingale method.. and i think its always depends in luck not in strategy like that.. i never made any profit with that method.. unless if you can make even a small amount there and you can accept and satisfied what you can make a profit and stop..
No method will be work in this kind of gambling games unless you can crack the programme or website. Programmer always set programme for website owner win in this case if one people win instead must two people lose. So, if you can not crack the programme or website at the end you must be a loser.
Yes, in casinos I haven't found out any of the strategies yet that can make you profit in long run as the reverse martingale works same as the simple one for me too.. It is better to play for short term only and stop when you gain little profit.
I think even a short term you can not make a profit. its always depends in your luck if you can make a profit or not..
Already tried different methods but no methods are success i can only make 1 percentage of my capital because of low profit i will still continue and end up to lose..


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: Erza on June 15, 2016, 10:21:06 PM
I would say there is not much different in reverse martingale or usual martingale, because it is not depends on your skill to play but it is really depends on your luck when it comes to dice games, there will be nothing else about dice plus there is house edge which means you wont be able to win that easy if you run out of luck


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: adaseb on June 29, 2016, 06:23:41 AM
I think since using martingale we often run into huge streaks of loss that maybe it will be profitable to use reverse martingale to have a 10-15 doubling win streak. Has anybody used it and what do you think?

I've seen a person on PD "turkojan" I think, that did reverse martingale or rather an extended reverse martingale and got up to almost 100coins in a matter of like 15 minuts.. but, as usual, he didn't stop at 100coins even after he said he was done and was going to wd, he kept on going and eventually busted the profits and depo..

I've seen it time and again with other players and myself.. make profits, don't wd, profits gets added to depo, and then you think, whatever i've been doing sofar has gotten me this far, might as well keep going, and because my balance is bigger, i can start off with a bigger base bet.. and always kills the coin  :-\

Yeah I've seen that also. Its really crazy how they just keep going and going even though they are up so much. Must have nerves of steal those people.


Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: cjrosero on June 29, 2016, 06:37:20 AM
You will lose more when you do Reverse Martingle
Initial Bet 100
100 Win - >Balance 200
99 win- >Balance 398
98 lose - >Balance 300
100 lose - >Balance 200
100 lose - >Balance 100

Revers or not the result are the same, the only difference is you will lose much bigger than regular martingale.
not advisable.



Title: Re: Anybody Use REVERSE Martingale?
Post by: ultrloa on June 29, 2016, 07:24:36 AM
I think since using martingale we often run into huge streaks of loss that maybe it will be profitable to use reverse martingale to have a 10-15 doubling win streak. Has anybody used it and what do you think?

I've seen a person on PD "turkojan" I think, that did reverse martingale or rather an extended reverse martingale and got up to almost 100coins in a matter of like 15 minuts.. but, as usual, he didn't stop at 100coins even after he said he was done and was going to wd, he kept on going and eventually busted the profits and depo..

I've seen it time and again with other players and myself.. make profits, don't wd, profits gets added to depo, and then you think, whatever i've been doing sofar has gotten me this far, might as well keep going, and because my balance is bigger, i can start off with a bigger base bet.. and always kills the coin  :-\

Yeah I've seen that also. Its really crazy how they just keep going and going even though they are up so much. Must have nerves of steal those people.

I dont really see people who use reverse martingale because i only know is martingale style of playing and  some other people really applied it because it was known to dice gambler but i dont think its effective for now since that strategy is scattered and almost anyone gambler knows how to do it.