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Title: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: froggy512 on June 16, 2016, 04:15:10 AM
https://puri.sm/posts/petition-for-intel-to-release-an-me-less-cpu-design/

I know that many folks in the cryptocurrency community are concerned and interested in concepts like privacy, freedom, and security. While cryptocurrency can be a great tool towards these ends, the state of our hardware is very concerning.

We do not have control of our devices. Secret bits of code reside in our computers, in places like the processor that acts like a rootkit, loads with every boot, and is beyond our ability to control or modify. It provides a means for introducing privacy-invading, freedom-reducing, security-infringing code on our devices whether we like it or not and without our knowledge.

One researcher, Joanna Rutkowska, has thought deeply about these issues and has proposed what she calls a stateless laptop.  To generalize, a stateless laptop pulls all stateful memory like the bios out of the computer and its hardware and places it on a read-only 'trusted stick,' which is used to boot the computer.  Even OS's like Tails cannot get around the loss of privacy, freedom, and security that results from built-in stateful hardware memory that is beyond our control.

http://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/state_harmful.pdf

Joanna Rutkowska has also created an amazing version of Linux called Qubes OS which allows users to basically sandbox just about every process on the computer.

One manufacturer, Purism, has begun to implement Joanna's ideas. https://puri.sm They are already producing high-end computers with hard-wired switches for things like cameras, microphones, wifi and the like, allowing users to know for sure whether something is accessible or not. They also run Qubes OS. In doing so, they have greatly increased privacy, freedom, and security for their users.

However, Purism can only take things so far. Currently, all Intel processors contain Intel's Management Engine. Intel’s Management Engine (ME) is a threat to users’ digital rights. It is an unreadable binary file that is cryptographically signed by Intel, requiring users to compromise their security, privacy, and freedom because users must execute unknown and unverifiable code on the CPU. Because ME is built in and beyond user control, a stateless laptop appears to be unachievable with Intel technology.

Purism has been trying to convince Intel to produce an ME-less processor, but Intel has yet to be convinced. If Intel were to produce an ME-less processor, Purism would be very close to being able to produce a stateless laptop of the sort that Joanna Rutkowska envisioned.

PLEASE sign Purism's petition to Intel to produce a ME-less processor so that our common goals of privacy, freedom, and security can be better attained.

https://puri.sm/posts/petition-for-intel-to-release-an-me-less-cpu-design/




Title: Re: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: Holliday on June 16, 2016, 04:26:18 AM
This question is coming from a place of genuine ignorance: Why don't they choose an AMD processor instead of Intel for their stateless computer? Do AMD's processors have something similar to Intel's ME?


Title: Re: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: froggy512 on June 16, 2016, 04:33:44 AM
My understanding is that AMD uses something similar to ME called Trust Zone and does not release source code for hardware initialization.


Title: Re: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: Barnabe on June 16, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
Please show me one single time a petition has changed anything ...
If you don't like intel policy, don't buy their products. It the best (and only real way) to make things change.


Title: Re: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: froggy512 on June 17, 2016, 01:10:29 AM
The problem is that there is no viable alternative to Intel. AMD has their own version of ME. Companies need to see that there is a demand for this. A Petition is a way to show Intel that there is demand for this.


Title: Re: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2016, 02:33:08 AM
The problem is that there is no viable alternative to Intel. AMD has their own version of ME. Companies need to see that there is a demand for this. A Petition is a way to show Intel that there is demand for this.

The Intel monopoly needs to be broken. I would like to see more options, especially from outside the US/EU (China, Russia.etc). Monopoly can never be good. Still... the future outlook looks bleak. The other options are not up to the mark. The processors from Sun Microsystems, POWER8, ShenWei, and AMD are not as capable as the ones from Intel.

http://www.digikey.com/-/media/Images/Article%20Library/Supply%20Chain%20HQ/2011/March/Intel%20increases%20its%20microprocessor%20market%20share/intel-dominates-mpu-market.jpg?la=en-SG&ts=798ab0e4-be2e-4dd0-beea-5218b1aba552


Title: Re: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: RealityTruth on June 17, 2016, 04:12:50 AM
This is basically a list of people who will be monitored even more. There will be rapid expansion of mass surveillance once Hitlery is elected.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1511316.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1511316.0)


Title: Re: Please sign this petition to Intel for the sake of Privacy, Freedom and Security
Post by: Barnabe on June 19, 2016, 05:35:31 PM
The problem is that there is no viable alternative to Intel. AMD has their own version of ME. Companies need to see that there is a demand for this. A Petition is a way to show Intel that there is demand for this.

The Intel monopoly needs to be broken. I would like to see more options, especially from outside the US/EU (China, Russia.etc). Monopoly can never be good. Still... the future outlook looks bleak. The other options are not up to the mark. The processors from Sun Microsystems, POWER8, ShenWei, and AMD are not as capable as the ones from Intel.

http://www.digikey.com/-/media/Images/Article%20Library/Supply%20Chain%20HQ/2011/March/Intel%20increases%20its%20microprocessor%20market%20share/intel-dominates-mpu-market.jpg?la=en-SG&ts=798ab0e4-be2e-4dd0-beea-5218b1aba552
My guess is that this figures only takes the x86 processors into account. Arm processors have also been used in notebooks and Arm is trying to win some servers market share. There might be a big change in the next years, since Arm has proven that they can make high-performance highly efficient chips. The only problem is that previous x86 softwares won't be compatible so companies are not very interesting.