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Title: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: groll on June 16, 2016, 11:56:39 PM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: DU30 on June 17, 2016, 01:34:00 AM
Death Penalty isn't a problem if you're not a criminal, behave so you won't end up in the death penalty chambers. Live in the now by the present and being aware of your thoughts and actions.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2016, 02:20:25 AM
I hope that he reinstates the death penalty. It has been proven that the death sentence is an effective deterrent for violent crime, such as child rape and murder. Look at South Africa. They had one of the lowest crime rates in the world, when the death penalty was in place. And now they have one of the highest rates for violent crime in the world.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: clickerz on June 17, 2016, 02:33:04 AM
Death Penalty isn't a problem if you're not a criminal, behave so you won't end up in the death penalty chambers. Live in the now by the present and being aware of your thoughts and actions.


I think many are in favor of this, to those who commit the heinous crimes. Even the catholic pope says "Pope Francis: corrupt should be tied to a rock and thrown into the sea (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10441960/Pope-Francis-corrupt-should-be-tied-to-a-rock-and-thrown-into-the-sea.html)".  So its death Penalty to corrupt also?


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: xht on June 17, 2016, 05:51:44 AM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?
Criminals have little fear of law enforcement and Criminals often have more rights than the victims. Killing petty criminals maybe nice.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: harizen on June 17, 2016, 06:02:28 AM
Likely he will.

He is really an advocate of death penalty even prior to his presidential campaign. And look how authorities taking aggressively in action for those big fish in illegal drugs today even he's not yet officially in office. How much more if he's officialy seated alongside with the new PNP Chief and PDEA director.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: btcbunny on June 17, 2016, 08:54:30 AM
I think the death penalty should be there, but as said previously, what crimes "qualify" for it


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Slow death on June 17, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
I think it should not for the death penalty, unfortunately even a human being who commits the highest violent crime has a right to life!

The prison system was designed to correct people who have lost their way.




Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: harizen on June 17, 2016, 09:22:02 AM
I think it should not for the death penalty, unfortunately even a human being who commits the highest violent crime has a right to life!

The prison system was designed to correct people who have lost their way.




You are right at some point but there are really crimes that really can't explain the feeling especilally when it happen to you or in your family. We don't know what is the feeling until we came to that point.

Besides it's not a quick judgement. All in all it will be follow a due process carefully and elected president told people about that during their victory party.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 17, 2016, 11:47:04 AM
I think it should not for the death penalty, unfortunately even a human being who commits the highest violent crime has a right to life!

If you take someone's right to live, then you are relinquishing your own right for the same. So I don't agree with you. Murderers don't have the right to live. Hope I'm pretty clear with that.

The prison system was designed to correct people who have lost their way.

For most of the cases, the answer is YES. But some hardcore criminals are beyond any scope of rehabilitation. These people needs to be taken away from the society.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: clickerz on June 17, 2016, 12:32:09 PM

For most of the cases, the answer is YES. But some hardcore criminals are beyond any scope of rehabilitation. These people needs to be taken away from the society.

Agree, because they can do more harm on innocent people or the one who cannot defend themselves. There are people who has criminal instinct who are terrorizing the good ones. As one of his famous quotes,

Quote
“A leader must be a terror to the few who are evil in order to protect the lives and well-being of the many who are good”

– Mayor Duterte, President, Republic of Philippines


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: carlisle1 on June 17, 2016, 02:59:09 PM
so many people in the Philippines are in favor to get the death penalty back in our country but are we that this will be a good decision ? what if the accused was just framed up or he was set up ? and what if one of the member of your family is in that case ? .


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: ardentvolcanoes on June 17, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
the government should think and make a good decision they should approved and get the if the law that is implemented would be fair and and they will not only favor to the rich because the poor without doing any fault is oftenly punished because sometimes rich people and their money can manipulate the law .


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: harizen on June 17, 2016, 03:34:21 PM
so many people in the Philippines are in favor to get the death penalty back in our country but are we that this will be a good decision ? what if the accused was just framed up or he was set up ? and what if one of the member of your family is in that case ? .

Like I stated in my previous post, it will be done in a due process and all judiciary officials are on hand with any cases. Kill on sight are only for brutal and most wanted.

Also about your last question, what if one of your family members experienced that horrible crime?

It's better that people are afraid to do horrible crimes since they know they will be punished.

You will never know the real score once you get into the actual situation.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Seansky on June 22, 2016, 11:34:39 AM
Well I also agree with death penalty being back. Those criminals won't learn to stop if death penalty will not be back. I also think that death penalty must be applied to corrupt politicians too.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2016, 04:48:58 AM
Well I also agree with death penalty being back. Those criminals won't learn to stop if death penalty will not be back. I also think that death penalty must be applied to corrupt politicians too.

Excellent suggestion. China tried the same with corrupt politicians a few years ago, and there was a sharp reduction in bribing across the sectors. There were some well publicized death sentences for large scale corruption, and this worked well in order to deter the politicians and bureaucrats from accepting bribes.

IMO, White collar crimes such as bribing and stealing of public money must be punished more severely than the other crimes. For example, when someone steals public money from the healthcare system, he is indirectly causing a large number of deaths by reducing the efficiency of the public hospitals and clinics.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Jmild1 on June 23, 2016, 05:05:33 AM
so many people in the Philippines are in favor to get the death penalty back in our country but are we that this will be a good decision ? what if the accused was just framed up or he was set up ? and what if one of the member of your family is in that case ? .

Like I stated in my previous post, it will be done in a due process and all judiciary officials are on hand with any cases. Kill on sight are only for brutal and most wanted.

Also about your last question, what if one of your family members experienced that horrible crime?

It's better that people are afraid to do horrible crimes since they know they will be punished.

You will never know the real score once you get into the actual situation.
You think thats what is happening!?
Duterte even encouraged people to kill a drug pusher if they know it is really a pusher and once they did they will be given medal, how did he know that he's really a drug pusher?
http://themaharlikan.info/news/75-year-old-famer-shot-dead-accused-of-peddling-drugs/ see the result?

You really don't know what's happening in our country.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: nydiacaskey01 on June 23, 2016, 05:11:05 AM
Death penalty if justice in the Philippines is fair or equal to everyone. Sadly justice in the Philippines is only favors those who can afford to pay good lawyers, but if you don't have money the government will assign a lawyer but not as good and smart as the expensive lawyers that corrupt politicians hire.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2016, 07:05:22 AM
Death penalty if justice in the Philippines is fair or equal to everyone. Sadly justice in the Philippines is only favors those who can afford to pay good lawyers, but if you don't have money the government will assign a lawyer but not as good and smart as the expensive lawyers that corrupt politicians hire.

The argument that 1% of the criminals MAY BE able to escape from the punishment using their money power can't be used to eliminate the punishment for the remaining 99%. Rich people seldom face justice, and it is the case almost everywhere. But we should not use this argument to justify lenient sentencing for every single criminal.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: nururochac on June 23, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
Death penalty if justice in the Philippines is fair or equal to everyone. Sadly justice in the Philippines is only favors those who can afford to pay good lawyers, but if you don't have money the government will assign a lawyer but not as good and smart as the expensive lawyers that corrupt politicians hire.

The argument that 1% of the criminals MAY BE able to escape from the punishment using their money power can't be used to eliminate the punishment for the remaining 99%. Rich people seldom face justice, and it is the case almost everywhere. But we should not use this argument to justify lenient sentencing for every single criminal.
Well I agree with you man. It's the way the world works in every country rich people seldom face justice. They could also direct the blame to a poor people who is innocent.
That's I am against with death penalty because I know that juridical system in our country sucks. It will and there's will always be innocent people that will be sentence to death.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: bitcoinboy12 on June 23, 2016, 02:15:36 PM
Death penalty if justice in the Philippines is fair or equal to everyone. Sadly justice in the Philippines is only favors those who can afford to pay good lawyers, but if you don't have money the government will assign a lawyer but not as good and smart as the expensive lawyers that corrupt politicians hire.

The argument that 1% of the criminals MAY BE able to escape from the punishment using their money power can't be used to eliminate the punishment for the remaining 99%. Rich people seldom face justice, and it is the case almost everywhere. But we should not use this argument to justify lenient sentencing for every single criminal.
Well I agree with you man. It's the way the world works in every country rich people seldom face justice. They could also direct the blame to a poor people who is innocent.

I think I have no personal comments on this. If anything what im only worried about is the judiciary system. If this president is able to clean this up and make it more strong, then I guess they can implement.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Shinpako09 on June 24, 2016, 03:01:23 AM
Rich people will still used their money to justified their self. I dont think PH need that death penalty thing. President had a death squad to stop those criminals and i think thats enough.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Jmild1 on June 24, 2016, 10:40:31 AM
Rich people will still used their money to justified their self. I dont think PH need that death penalty thing. President had a death squad to stop those criminals and i think thats enough.
What? How do you think those death squad know that what they killed is really a drug related person. It still not advisable because it doesn't go juridical process which what every accused need.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Cresciuanto on July 07, 2016, 11:49:14 AM
actually it seemed clear from his addresses  during the residential campaign that he will support death penalty. but still after his presidential victory still there is no official announcement from government side.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: hermanhs09 on July 07, 2016, 11:21:30 PM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?
Im not from Philippines,but i think death penalty is a very strong tool,and we actually need that tool.
I want that death penalty comes to our countries,to get rid of all heavy criminals,why someone who took life of each other people,can live?
It is simply not fair.Also that will stop people from murdering each other,when this kind of punishment will be possible.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Jmild1 on July 08, 2016, 05:37:49 AM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?
Im not from Philippines,but i think death penalty is a very strong tool,and we actually need that tool.
I want that death penalty comes to our countries,to get rid of all heavy criminals,why someone who took life of each other people,can live?
It is simply not fair.Also that will stop people from murdering each other,when this kind of punishment will be possible.
Death penalty is a good solution IF the legal process is followed. But if the justice system in ones country is unfair then having death penalty is not recommended because it might be an abuse for other to accuse innocent people.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: alplaxxx on July 08, 2016, 06:17:42 AM
may be yes, because the restoration of the death penalty is one of the priorities of the administration of Duterte, who anchored his campaign on maintaining peace and order the number of cases of extrajudicial killings, torture, and enforced disappearances by state security forces has declined in the last four years, such abuses regularly occur.  They are fueled by the government’s  lack of political will to end the longstanding impunity enjoyed by the police and armed forces, a dysfunctional criminal justice system, and military resistance to accountability.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: severaldetails on July 08, 2016, 06:22:08 AM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?
Im not from Philippines,but i think death penalty is a very strong tool,and we actually need that tool.
I want that death penalty comes to our countries,to get rid of all heavy criminals,why someone who took life of each other people,can live?
It is simply not fair.Also that will stop people from murdering each other,when this kind of punishment will be possible.
Death penalty is a good solution IF the legal process is followed. But if the justice system in ones country is unfair then having death penalty is not recommended because it might be an abuse for other to accuse innocent people.

This guy from Philippines is clearly a complete maniac.
Of course he will put up the death penalty for as many crimes as possible.
From all I know he tolerated death squadrons in the time where he was principal of Davao City. Successfully as it seems, cause criminal statistics all went down.
Now he has the power to do that legally.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: escrowboy on July 08, 2016, 07:34:21 AM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?
Im not from Philippines,but i think death penalty is a very strong tool,and we actually need that tool.
I want that death penalty comes to our countries,to get rid of all heavy criminals,why someone who took life of each other people,can live?
It is simply not fair.Also that will stop people from murdering each other,when this kind of punishment will be possible.
Death penalty is a good solution IF the legal process is followed. But if the justice system in ones country is unfair then having death penalty is not recommended because it might be an abuse for other to accuse innocent people.

This guy from Philippines is clearly a complete maniac.
Of course he will put up the death penalty for as many crimes as possible.
From all I know he tolerated death squadrons in the time where he was principal of Davao City. Successfully as it seems, cause criminal statistics all went down.
Now he has the power to do that legally.
How can it be being maniac if he just states the possibility of a death peanaly that may used as disadvantage. Things need to go due process but if the process is not followed then an abuse to it will surely be a problem.

Give you a good example. I have hated a certain guy and I want to kill him but he's not a drug related person. So I will just shoot him dead and put a banner on his neck stating that he's a drug user. If the justice system in your country is fucked up then you will have no problem killing that guy.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: severaldetails on July 08, 2016, 01:24:31 PM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?
Im not from Philippines,but i think death penalty is a very strong tool,and we actually need that tool.
I want that death penalty comes to our countries,to get rid of all heavy criminals,why someone who took life of each other people,can live?
It is simply not fair.Also that will stop people from murdering each other,when this kind of punishment will be possible.
Death penalty is a good solution IF the legal process is followed. But if the justice system in ones country is unfair then having death penalty is not recommended because it might be an abuse for other to accuse innocent people.

This guy from Philippines is clearly a complete maniac.
Of course he will put up the death penalty for as many crimes as possible.
From all I know he tolerated death squadrons in the time where he was principal of Davao City. Successfully as it seems, cause criminal statistics all went down.
Now he has the power to do that legally.
How can it be being maniac if he just states the possibility of a death peanaly that may used as disadvantage. Things need to go due process but if the process is not followed then an abuse to it will surely be a problem.

Give you a good example. I have hated a certain guy and I want to kill him but he's not a drug related person. So I will just shoot him dead and put a banner on his neck stating that he's a drug user. If the justice system in your country is fucked up then you will have no problem killing that guy.

I would like to call him a maniac, crazy or what ever because some of his statements.
For example, a woman was raped by a gang and he said: "She was so beautiful, the mayor should have been first."
He was the mayor at that time.
If that's not crazy I do not know what it is.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: nururochac on July 08, 2016, 01:47:26 PM
Death Penalty has been abolished in the Philippines a long time ago. And since, death penalty has been replaced by lifetime imprisonment. But at that time rape cases has increased , is it because of the abolition of death penalty? With this at hand the government on July 2016 is thinking of upholding death penalty by hanging to big time criminals. Will it be aproved or not? or will it decreased the crime rate in the Philippines?
Im not from Philippines,but i think death penalty is a very strong tool,and we actually need that tool.
I want that death penalty comes to our countries,to get rid of all heavy criminals,why someone who took life of each other people,can live?
It is simply not fair.Also that will stop people from murdering each other,when this kind of punishment will be possible.
Death penalty is a good solution IF the legal process is followed. But if the justice system in ones country is unfair then having death penalty is not recommended because it might be an abuse for other to accuse innocent people.

This guy from Philippines is clearly a complete maniac.
Of course he will put up the death penalty for as many crimes as possible.
From all I know he tolerated death squadrons in the time where he was principal of Davao City. Successfully as it seems, cause criminal statistics all went down.
Now he has the power to do that legally.
How can it be being maniac if he just states the possibility of a death peanaly that may used as disadvantage. Things need to go due process but if the process is not followed then an abuse to it will surely be a problem.

Give you a good example. I have hated a certain guy and I want to kill him but he's not a drug related person. So I will just shoot him dead and put a banner on his neck stating that he's a drug user. If the justice system in your country is fucked up then you will have no problem killing that guy.

I would like to call him a maniac, crazy or what ever because some of his statements.
For example, a woman was raped by a gang and he said: "She was so beautiful, the mayor should have been first."
He was the mayor at that time.
If that's not crazy I do not know what it is.
Yeah. There are some behavior of our President that I don't really like. Like making a dark humor in public, that wasn't be an act of a mayor towards other country. And that joke should not ever be made in public.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Sponsoredby15 on August 28, 2016, 07:33:08 AM
I guess president will passed the death penalty because it seems that we need it in country. Criminals in our society is a huge problem and many of the criminals are not afraid in the law. It will maybe not deterrent but it will be very useful because the president called this law a RETRIBUTION.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2016, 10:31:56 AM
I guess president will passed the death penalty because it seems that we need it in country. Criminals in our society is a huge problem and many of the criminals are not afraid in the law. It will maybe not deterrent but it will be very useful because the president called this law a RETRIBUTION.

Death penalty must be there in every part of the world, especially for crimes such as child rape and murder. A large number of countries have abolished the death penalty, and almost all of them have witnessed a sharp increase in crime rate after that. A prime example is South Africa, now known as the crime capital of the world.


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: gabmen on August 28, 2016, 12:25:23 PM
well the current president expressed his desire to have death penalty restored and if it would be entirely up to him, the Philippines would already have death penalty implemented. the problem is that before this administration, there is little fear to commit crime. although i personally think that death penalty is not morally correct, with what's happening right now it might just be necessary. though there's a crucial point here that the only ones who would be getting this punishment would be the poor and lower class criminals. i think the current administration should tread carefully with implementing this if ever


Title: Re: Will the new President of the Philippines uphold death penalty?
Post by: Viyamore on August 28, 2016, 05:21:03 PM
I guess president will passed the death penalty because it seems that we need it in country. Criminals in our society is a huge problem and many of the criminals are not afraid in the law. It will maybe not deterrent but it will be very useful because the president called this law a RETRIBUTION.

Death penalty must be there in every part of the world, especially for crimes such as child rape and murder. A large number of countries have abolished the death penalty, and almost all of them have witnessed a sharp increase in crime rate after that. A prime example is South Africa, now known as the crime capital of the world.
I know it passed anyway but not have been implemented right now ,i agree that it's a must in every part of the world ,because crime is everywhere if they want to rape or murder then death penalty is implenmented they will be scared to commit a crime and to die .like war on drugs many people surrenders just because they're afraid to shoot on the road .why not there's a given chance for them to change .