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Title: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: thejaytiesto on June 19, 2016, 05:54:23 PM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: xhomerx10 on June 19, 2016, 06:06:16 PM
 Even in the "free" world bitcoin doesn't have much of an adoption rate.  What would a bitcoin revolution inside of North Korea look like?  How would it manifest itself and what would be the end result?


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: OmegaStarScream on June 19, 2016, 06:06:46 PM
Do they even have internet connection  :o ? trying to get Bitcoin inside North Korea (from the outside) could work however promoting from the inside may just get you killed.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: btctube on June 19, 2016, 06:13:48 PM
don't they have creva there?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066979


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: holydarkness on June 19, 2016, 06:14:19 PM
Do they even have internet connection  :o ? trying to get Bitcoin inside North Korea (from the outside) could work however promoting from the inside may just get you killed.

As fascinating the idea is, it's quite difficult to be achieved.
Just like omegastarscream said, there are two possible method to introduce btc to NK, from within the people themselves and from outsider like us. The later will grant us, any of us who tried, an one way ticket to afterlife while the former would need a strong effort and solidarity. The dictatorship that their country applied would mostly scare civilians from trying to introduce something new. A revolution is needed to fight the dictatorship, true, but if they can built such revolution, I think they will focus it on forming a new kind of leadership and ruling system instead of umm... introducing cryptocurrency.
Unless Kim is interested on btc himself.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 19, 2016, 06:24:08 PM
North Korea?

Yeah that's not going to happen, any other country there is always a possibility to see bitcoin accepted/incorporated/used but North Korea has the tightest rules of all. He'd chop anybodies head off if he found them using bitcoin ;D



Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Betwrong on June 19, 2016, 06:27:25 PM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

No offence, but it looks like you have no idea what a dictatorship really is. There is NO underground people there and even if there were some just to show the world "Look how free our people are!" they would work for the government secretly.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: isen on June 19, 2016, 06:41:27 PM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.
Sorry but this is not going to happen for many reasons,first and most important is that the "underground people" you are talking about don't exist or at least they are not enough to start a revolution.People there are so brainwashed none of them is going to revolt against their beloved supreme leader.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: helloeverybody on June 19, 2016, 06:51:08 PM
Most of north korea struggle to even have a consistent electrical supply, the chances of them having an internet connection thats not monitored and not behind a firewall is minimal. thats assuming they would even have internet which is very unlikely . If nkorea had internet then every north korean would know the truth about their glorious leader. I honestly dont even think anyone other than goverment officials would have mobile phones their. All in all north korea is probably the only country in the world that wont have any bitcoin in the future unless there is a massive change in power.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: lister storm on June 19, 2016, 07:33:31 PM
Do they even have internet connection  :o ? trying to get Bitcoin inside North Korea (from the outside) could work however promoting from the inside may just get you killed.
they actually have an internet connection though its not the internet that we all use, north korea has another internet that only their country citizens use so i think it would be kinda impossible for them to use bitcoins

despite that, most of their people seem to be kinda loyal to their government also it would take a lot of time to adopt it, i think nothing good would turn out thus it would be fruitless


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: DodoB on June 19, 2016, 07:57:58 PM
You will have to give them internet and computers before even thinking about bitcoin.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: snipie on June 19, 2016, 08:05:18 PM
Q: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
A: offer to Kim a S9 (+ a how to use it guide) in his birthday (or else it will never happens)


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: unamis76 on June 19, 2016, 09:56:31 PM
Very difficult. Only high individuals (and foreign residents, I think) have wide internet access and others only access an "intranet", if they have access at all. The only way to do so is via smuggled Chinese phones, but the connection is most likely very poor... That is, if they can have mobile data at all with those phones.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: bL4nkcode on June 19, 2016, 10:11:10 PM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

It will be possible if there is a person who will introduce to kim jong-un there  supreme leader about bitcoin and what can bitcoin do in there country, he have to explain it correctly and make kim understand a lot,  what will be the effect if they use bitcoin as payment, and let him buy some mining rig only for there country. But if he cant convice kim about the bitcoin and its advantages, well good luck. ;D


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: noormcs5 on June 19, 2016, 10:23:01 PM
Very difficult. Only high individuals (and foreign residents, I think) have wide internet access and others only access an "intranet", if they have access at all. The only way to do so is via smuggled Chinese phones, but the connection is most likely very poor... That is, if they can have mobile data at all with those phones.

It will be indeed very difficult to allow bitcoins under the dictatorship of the north Korea Ruler. dictatorship does not allow a free currency like bitcoin to be used publicly and hence there is very little chance of bitcoins flourishing in north Korea.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Dajackal on June 19, 2016, 10:29:09 PM
No internet and a leader willing to kill almost anyone for going against him.
Yeah, sure. Let's get a bitcoin revolution going and see how that works.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: xhomerx10 on June 19, 2016, 10:31:37 PM
Very difficult. Only high individuals (and foreign residents, I think) have wide internet access and others only access an "intranet", if they have access at all. The only way to do so is via smuggled Chinese phones, but the connection is most likely very poor... That is, if they can have mobile data at all with those phones.

It will be indeed very difficult to allow bitcoins under the dictatorship of the north Korea Ruler. dictatorship does not allow a free currency like bitcoin to be used publicly and hence there is very little chance of bitcoins flourishing in north Korea.
Most countries and certainly the UN are currently sanctioning North Korea.  Bitcoin might be useful for North Korea in purchasing materials required for their nuclear weapons program.  It would take a special kind of person to sell them on the idea.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: MingLee on June 19, 2016, 10:58:35 PM
There is basically no way to create a cryptocurrency or get Bitcoin inside North Korea unless you get everyone in there their own computer-connected device, get them educated, and figure out how to smuggle in the blockchain and get them to connect to everything outside of North Korea, all while trying to avoid getting your community executed due to conspiring against the state.

The infrastructure to run Bitcoin simply doesn't exist, and the community would number in the dozens even if you managed to get everything running within the borders.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 19, 2016, 11:35:53 PM
I don't know the politics of NK.  I thought they had a huge videogaming base there.  Or is that S. Korea? 

It's a good idea, but adoption in the democratic countries should and will happen first, if that happens at all.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: groll on June 19, 2016, 11:41:22 PM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

As long as they have internet in North Korea then bitcoin is possible. Thats except if there is a strict policy monitoring on internet that filters all topics or activities. At this moment Bitcoin is not yet a worldwide phenomenon and North Korea would not monitor these things. So given these things I can make a hypothesis that bitcoin is possible in north Korea if they have an internet.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: European Central Bank on June 19, 2016, 11:55:28 PM
They have their intranet type thing but even that's only reserved for the elites. Looking at how much hacking they get up to there must be some genuine internet access but maybe it's military only.

There'll be people close to the Chinese border with cell phones that work on Chinese networks so maybe there's a tiny opening there. I doubt they'd give a shit all the same. Give 'em a big cake instead.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Jeremycoin on June 19, 2016, 11:55:35 PM
Well they must have an internet access first, because according to the Wikipedia.
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Internet access is available in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea), but only permitted with special authorization and primarily used for government purposes and by foreigners.
Because Bitcoin is on the internet, they can't use it without the internet.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Woshib on June 20, 2016, 12:32:48 AM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.
The North Korean government severely limits its citizens.
Most of them do not have internet, few television channels and their rights are limited.
So, I do not really think that they have access to Bitcoin.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: pandalion98 on June 20, 2016, 03:42:46 AM
The problem is that their access to the internet (or technology in general) is severely limited.

Try explaining what bitcoin is to their supreme leader and maybe they'll make an altcoin that only works with their intranet. That would be close enough.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: avikz on June 20, 2016, 05:00:19 AM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

Lol!!! Instead of getting bitcoin inside North Korea, get yourself out of North Korea. It is the worst place to live for a human being.

The mentality of the leader of N Korea is primitive and he don't want his people to succeed. Absolutely worthless.

People are living like hell.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: ObscureBean on June 20, 2016, 05:18:42 AM
Even in the "free" world bitcoin doesn't have much of an adoption rate.  What would a bitcoin revolution inside of North Korea look like?  How would it manifest itself and what would be the end result?


Well for starters it could potentially allow the locals to experience something outside of the dictatorship without drawing attention to themselves. It could be a lifeline to those who want to escape, if they could somehow convert their local currency to Bitcoin. The problem though is that the currency North Koreans use is not really available outside of the country so it won't be easy for them to convert their money to Bitcoin.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Kakmakr on June 20, 2016, 06:00:22 AM
Why would you want to endanger people's lives with this endevour? These people are under constant threat from their own government and they will die, if they go against their dictator's rule. Let's leave them alone to build their nukes in peace. Bitcoin is for the land of the free. ^hmmmm^


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Enotche on June 20, 2016, 07:44:24 AM
Oh, that's an interesting question!
I can cite the example of Russia which is under economic sanctions.
"The State Duma believe in the ability of blokchain help circumvent Western sanctions"
I think North Korea should take this into consideration, too., too.

However, I found that here ..
Bitcoin in North Korea
During one of the tours Koryo Tours travel agency (which, incidentally, takes bitcoin) one Reddit user under the nickname BitcoinDPRK sent $ 100 to the account in the Bitcoin Florida center for homeless Sean's Outpost.
https://bitnovosti.com/2015/05/29/bitcoin-in-north-korea-and-other-places-youd-never-expect/


PS
just for lulz

"The DPRK claimed that the Bitcoin was invented by Kim Il Sung"  ;D
This became known during the evening air of the radio "Voice of Korea" on Wednesday. According to the North Korean leadership, cryptocurrency Bitcoin was invented himself, Kim Il Sung for the prosperity of the Korean people.
"The great and ingenious Kim Il Sung was not only a great and brilliant military leader, but also has extensive knowledge of cryptography. His constant concern for the prosperity of the free people of Korea and to this day grace overshadows all the progressive forces of the world ", - reported in the transfer.
link http://forklog.com/v-kndr-zayavlyayut-chto-bitkoin-byl-izobreten-kim-ir-senom/


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Hirose UK on June 20, 2016, 07:46:44 AM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

I have no good idea, but I do have a crazy idea. first, someone who is bitcoiner should become president of North Korea, then he asks his people to use bitcoin  ;D


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: el kaka22 on June 20, 2016, 06:45:44 PM
Why would you want to endanger people's lives with this endevour? These people are under constant threat from their own government and they will die, if they go against their dictator's rule. Let's leave them alone to build their nukes in peace. Bitcoin is for the land of the free. ^hmmmm^
It could lead to a mass murder, if a group of people start a campaign about BTC such a sad story to make in a fiction though. However it could not be a fiction anymore OP if someone did that. Well it will be on the news though. unfortunately NK is not a nice place to start this advertisement.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: GreenBits on June 20, 2016, 06:48:17 PM
I wouldn't play with this. Political commentary aside, NK is one of the more sophisticated state actors when it comes to internet technologies. You have to be in order to pull of some of the madness that's going on over there at the moment, to shield it from the greater public. Is it really worth it?

The danger of breaking a law that will actually be enforced, and with malice, is too much imo.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: hasiramasenju on June 20, 2016, 06:57:21 PM
for me it's not possible bitcoin could entering North Korea because these country fully controlled by government and people inside there will get strict of sanctions if bring something from outside country even i was heard that some people watching television broadcasts from other countries and they got caught and they were sentenced to death just because of it


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Dajackal on June 20, 2016, 07:07:02 PM
for me it's not possible bitcoin could entering North Korea because these country fully controlled by government and people inside there will get strict of sanctions if bring something from outside country even i was heard that some people watching television broadcasts from other countries and they got caught and they were sentenced to death just because of it

Its not like it needs to be smuggled in like other items. It is digital so I think getting them in NK is not that hard, but using them and storing them ccan prove to be tricky.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: helloeverybody on June 20, 2016, 07:12:53 PM
for me it's not possible bitcoin could entering North Korea because these country fully controlled by government and people inside there will get strict of sanctions if bring something from outside country even i was heard that some people watching television broadcasts from other countries and they got caught and they were sentenced to death just because of it

Its not like it needs to be smuggled in like other items. It is digital so I think getting them in NK is not that hard, but using them and storing them ccan prove to be tricky.

At the end of the day it would be a pointless endeavour since i mean physically it would be possible to get it in their but then what? its on a phone but you cant do anything with it since there no internet to send it, even if you could you wouldnt be able to buy anything since absolutely nowhere in north korea would accept it. The only thing you would get out of it would be a lifetime of hard labour.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: RodeoX on June 20, 2016, 07:16:46 PM
There is also the problem of the operating system. In the DPRK all computers are supposed to run "red star", which is a closed source Linux distro that spies on everyone for the DPRK government.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: spazzdla on June 20, 2016, 07:18:33 PM
The only way is to kill every single person with the Kim bloodline.

Legit, every single one of them.  It must be wiped off the earth that country needs a new system.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Neptunium on June 20, 2016, 07:19:26 PM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

Bitcoin would do nothing for them. They don't even have basic freedoms.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Raimonn on June 20, 2016, 07:24:49 PM
I think that will be very difficult and a risk for the persons running nodes, or using bitcoins. North Korea controls all about its people, they have a local intranet censored.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: holydarkness on June 22, 2016, 06:49:24 PM
Do they even have internet connection  :o ? trying to get Bitcoin inside North Korea (from the outside) could work however promoting from the inside may just get you killed.

As fascinating the idea is, it's quite difficult to be achieved.
Just like omegastarscream said, there are two possible method to introduce btc to NK, from within the people themselves and from outsider like us. The later will grant us, any of us who tried, an one way ticket to afterlife while the former would need a strong effort and solidarity. The dictatorship that their country applied would mostly scare civilians from trying to introduce something new. A revolution is needed to fight the dictatorship, true, but if they can built such revolution, I think they will focus it on forming a new kind of leadership and ruling system instead of umm... introducing cryptocurrency.
Unless Kim is interested on btc himself.

Dead on.  I personally wouldn't be surprised if KIM was interested in cryptocurrency tho, he was known as a wiz-kid growing up and his rogue nation is known to embark on many illegal transactions, it's undoubted Bitcoin is at least, on Kim's radar.

If he is interested, then its a good start. But NK will still need to address other problems before they can successfully adopt btc. Getting through posts here gave the idea of what factors needed to be thought thoroughly like electricity that's still unstable for some people or NK private internet connection.


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: criptix on June 22, 2016, 06:56:35 PM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

Lol!!! Instead of getting bitcoin inside North Korea, get yourself out of North Korea. It is the worst place to live for a human being.

The mentality of the leader of N Korea is primitive and he don't want his people to succeed. Absolutely worthless.

People are living like hell.

Actually if you are not opposing the NK .gov life is not that terrible there.
If you look for the HDI then somalia or something around that line is the worst nation in the world.

But yeah i would try to get out there as fast as possible anyway :8


Title: Re: How to get Bitcoin inside North Korea?
Post by: Nowl1935 on June 25, 2016, 09:30:31 AM
Imagine a Bitcoin revolution inside North Korea. I find this idea fascinating, of some underground people starting spreading Bitcoin around. The problem is they just have some sort of intranet.. so how would we be able to start spreading nodes inside North Korea? This would be great to start an underground economy beyond the dictatorship of that fat dude.

LMAAAAAO. I'm currently laughing at now hahaha. Btw, who knows right? Maybe we can try that, hahahaha but it's almost impossbile because we all know that that fat dude is really strict.