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This poll is for sublime's Scammer list - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149147.0;all
My summary/viewpoint of charges against TradeFortress:
1) I had a horrible experience trying to get my site coded by TF.
2) He intentionally scammed me out of 27 BTC.
3) He knew he did not have the level of skill or experience required to sell web-programming services for a commercial bitcoin accounts based website.
4) He misrepresented his experience by failing to correct my mistaken belief that he coded a bitcoin accepting website in the past, specifically https://bitzino.com/ the website in his forum sig. This obviates any claim of "buyer beware" for his services.
5) He attempted to do what was necessary to present the appearance of successfully coding my site, but as the code/final site provided reveals, this was still a non-operable site that did not forward bitcoins correctly and was written so poorly and has so many bugs and non-usable aspects it is unsuitable to be sold as commercial website design. The only publicly released version of his final product (as of now) is available here:
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
direct link - http://94.75.216.85/en/file/398233/Moneypak-zip.html
I have stopped hosting it since I don't want customers to associate this non-functional and unusable site with my domain. I am instead paying for a complete rewrite of the site.
6) TF has not released a functional version of the website I paid 27 BTC to be completed.
7) TF agreed to pay arbitration, but never filed the case and instead slandered me in emails to the judge.me arbitration service and has not paid the fee for the case I filed at judge.me.
8) I've agreed to send any funds recovered from TF to charity.
9) TF Scam thread with lengthy details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126588.0;all
10) TF Review thread with more details of our dispute here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146319.0
11) TF solicited more work from others, using the non-functional/unfinished web-development he did for me, but few others were actually scammed and one user reports a good experience, however their site is apparently non-functional as of this post (see above threads).
12) Careful review of the evidence in the linked threads will prove TF is a scammer and not a proficient web-developer.
UPDATE:
13) "Penetration Tested" MY SITE without permission: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223665.msg2352785#msg2352785
14) TF made several unsolicited attempts to extort large amounts of coin for trivial security fixes to my site: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223665.msg2408594#msg2408594

UPDATE: These are the 2 places to find most of the TF scam reports:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg2702121#msg2702121
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This thread is totally useless.

You'd think that by now he could have learned to code if he used the time to read instead of bitch.

I would have to agree. I would love to see this resolved but it doesn't look hopeful.

Yeah that site is horrible I just looked thru it, but you got to stop bitching and whining your getting it written and move on. TF is kid who wants to be a developer, just leave it alone.

That's fine but since he didn't explain he's a kid who wants to be a developer, but rather said he is a developer, he is therefore a scammer IMHO who may also be a kid who wants to be a developer.
Because I'm paying a developer to do my site I should accept that TF scammed me out of 27BTC and move on?

What's your point? I should work and be creative for the benefit of scammers and ignore how much they steal from me?
I've already accepted the loss (all recoveries will be given to charity), so I don't understand your point unless it is to the effect that s successful business owner should subsidize scammers and the like.
I already have plenty of money/BTC, but I continue to expand into areas that benefit more customers under the premise the community will appreciate and reward my massive business contributions.
A system that doesn't offer protection against thieves is a barrier to new business formation and expansion. I want to be in a community that encourages honest trade and discourages thieving/scamming and that's the point of this poll (holding a scammer accountable).

Update: 
I have paid half the arbitration fee, TF is refusing to pay other half.
Here is the most recent contact from judge.me :
Here is some history on the subject:

Summary: TradeFortress is a liar in addition to being a scamming fraudster thief as evidenced by his refusal to pay even half of the arbitration fee (which he originally agreed to pay 100% of).

You're a liar in addition to being a scamming thief!
It may have been months since I paid you, but I never stopped pursuing justice against you!
a) judge.me was delayed by your actions as described above.
b) your breach in failing to finish the site after pocketing my 27 btc is a continuous one and your vague claim about untimeliness has no substance. Obviously if judge.me takes 2 weeks to agree to judge the case and another week or so to ask you to pay (followed by my outing you a week later here), that's no valid reason to weasel out of arbitration.
b) judge.me only accepted the case on March 20 as the quoted text shows (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg1824655#msg1824655) they gave you the final notice to pay on March 31. This is obviously not my fault and if you were honest from the start, it wouldn't be an issue.
c) you're doing the same thing you always planned to do as evidenced from the quoted history above, i.e. trying to weasel out of any accountability for scamming me.
I can't understand how people still trust you with all this evidence of how much of a snake you are.

concise history of how it was not "months" is available here if you don't want to parse through the above post/s

TF feels he has safely completed the scam of 27BTC.
Feel free to post with links to key evidence that influenced your votes either way.

I don't think hes a scammer so sorry. How come you didnt post the blockchain info to show us you actually sent?

Not to my knowledge.  He paid me the 0.05 BTC he promised.

Paying someone to code your site 95% of the time you will end up with results below your expectations.  Doesnt mean the dev is a scammer.

I agree, but #6 refusing to release a functional version of the site constitutes a scam.
Also #7 offering, then backing out of arbitration seals the scammer tag IMHO.

Also, below "expectations" is irrelevant, that's not my claim, it's below contract spec, i.e. unusable.

because it was never contested.
I've introduced evidence to prove all the numbered elements I claimed.
what exactly is being contested of the numbered claims?

The fact that he received 21 YES is a staggering reality !

update: judge.me is refusing to refund the 1BTC I paid them for arbitration they couldn't give (because TF refused to participate).
Peter of judge.me is now ignoring all my emails, even though he said he'd refund the coin, he never did. . .

User redream please post your offers publicly in the appropriate forum thread or people will think you're hiding something.


UPDATE: Tradefortress SCAMMER/HACKER HACKED MY SITE:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223665
Fortunately, this scammer hacker only had limited access to the db and coins are stored offsite.
His attempted deposit redirect . . . FAILED
PLEASE CONDEMN THAT ASS HAT

I see Tradefortress has posted this in MoneyPackTrader.com's trustlist:


And at the same time he posts this:



So in the thread he admits to unauthorized "penetration testing" and then writes something contradictory as a trust comment.

He says that I stole 100 BTC, tried to redirect funds to my address, etc, which are completely false. I did get in access to his site :)

You're lying about the 100 BTC theft thing, the VALUE RISKED was 100BTC, i.e. the value of my site when you P/T'ed it. I've updated it to clarify.
The redirection might be untrue because the rando address your account had looked like a vanity-gen and I probably made a mistake on that.

In other words, all I did was exploit your poorly written site, get into the admin panel, see that you have made some modifications, take a screenshot and post it on your thread.

Well I don't know if he's a scammer but he's def not a fan of bitcoinscammer.com or ME.  I will be sure to call him out IF MORE FACTS ARE PRESENT AND MORE PPL COME FORWARD.

No, you never developed the site I paid you 27 btc to develop and I had to pay someone else to do the whole thing.
You're obviously not proficient to do any white-hat programming.

I already gave him permission to try to hack my site in the future, so he might claim that as permission after the fact. definitely not 100% although it could cost him some serious legal fees or . . . settlement for the coins he owe me, maybe I should sue him. . .
Nah, I already agreed to give any recoveries to charity, so I'll assign the lawsuit rights to the charity if it comes forward.

Yes, I did develop the site. Your site is using parts of my code, most unchanged, you did not pay someone else to do the whole thing.

How do I know? Because I can unchanged parts from the site and the admin panel. Your site still has a serious security vulnerability that allows an attacker to execute actions on your (or anyone's) account, by the way. Send $1000 to the address in my sig, no I have never agreed to refund you. It doesn't matter if you claim I owe you some imaginary amount of bitcoins, I don't owe you anything.

Kindly stop spreading lies.

What did I lie about, I'll correct it, please include the link.

Please include the post where I said that part was a lie. It's impossible for me to prove that you are going to donate anything to charity, or prove that you are not going to donate anything to charity unless that happens (which won't).

Also, @Bitcoin Scammer, in every single argument I know I've won it when the other party calls me a troll.

OK

I have found TF in dealing with me to be more than fair

Eg, I hired him and advanced him 0.53 BTC to do a codeing job.

About 3 weeks later we finally had a Google chat about the exact specs and he said the job was more expansive than I first described and he was right.

He said he could not do it due to time constraints, and paid me back 0.63 BTC, I pointed out the over payment to me and I offered to return it, and he insisted It was ok.

So he returned more than I sent him, you can't be more fair than that.

I have also noticed TF is not XRP hugest fan.

Another interesting point is TF may be a group of people as I have noticed the way he talks is very different at different times.

Your site is values @ 100btc? LMFAO!

I'll donate $100 or so at a time as you repay your debt.
Any verifiable charity's around?

Yeah, I want to make a quick 10 BTC, your site is vulnerable. When are we escrowing with John?

Adding Direct quotes to support the recent addition to the allegations.
Now everything is supported and TF hasn't disputed any of the substance of my claims. His claim is that "the site worked" but he can't provide any code to support that and I have presented evidence that the site didn't work (specifically the coin forwarding test which failed and the coins were lost).
Instead he wants to make large amounts of money by hacking the site I eventually got created by someone else.
I apologize that the history is voluminous because of all the back and forth rhetoric but I've tried to stay on point as much as possible.


Any recoveries made from TF will be donated to charity as I've said before, but it looks unlikely that anything will be recovered, because that's not how scammers do things.

Fail. Coins do not become lost. If you have lost coins, it is your own fault.

The site did work, I've successfully tested it and then it stopped working after you locked me out of access to the files. I don't know what you did, but as you've said that you'll need to completely recode the site - which you have not done, I'm won't be surprised if you edited the code. No, I've wasted enough time with you, setting up another instance of your website is not worth my time.

If I am a scammer, explain why I've donated what's now worth 500 BTC of ASICMINER shares to my investment fund. Explain how there is zero scammer accusations against coinlenders, btcinvest, or the people who have deposited ~1k BTC of collateral in various forums. Scammers do not scam for $300 and not for scam a few thousand BTC, quite simply because I'm not a scammer.

I've used Bitcoin since 2011. I've had access to servers with >10K BTC before I had any sort of reputation on this forum (other than my freelancing profile reputation). I've actually made investors profit, unlike most of the securities and asset issuers on here.

Q: Why would I 'scam' for $300?
A: I wouldn't.

Q: Why would MoneyPakTrader keep slinging mud?
A: Because he wants to get $2600 from $300. Waaait, he promises to donate to charity! ::)

Just so you know, here are what your posts look like, and my posts, respectively:

https://i.imgur.com/9rh5oD8.png

End of story, I'd love to dedicate more time to you but I've got things to do, Bitcoin related and offline. Have fun!*

*Unless you're contacting me about the security vulnerability disclosure, send $1000 to my address or escrow it with John and I'll happily disclose your site's vulnerability to you.

/me promises to *never* click on 'Show' post again from MoneypakTrader.com, there's another 15 minutes of my life gone.

A little late to dispute that allegation I made so long ago. . .


Even if you weren't in some type of collaborative relationship with John, I've already explained that I'm unwilling to let you take any more of my coins, so stop begging for them.

Trade bring's on most these threads himself! I would advise him to just apologies for everything he has scammed (according to the 33% who got robbed and voted) and move along trying to rebuild his horrible reputation. He never completely scammed me but he does troll a lot and make him self look suspicious by posting invalid arguments all over bitcointalk.org. SO far I would not trust him at all until he (HIMSELF not anyone of his schills) come out and fixes his wrongs.

You just described yourself.   ::)

Yes and I described you as one of his schills. Where he is caught you are there trying to cover it up. 

More similar posts about TF scamming:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211115.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207841.0;all

Sorry, a search of "tradefortress scam" is going to give you 7 or more pages of forum threads to go through for other accusations.

multi-voting using shill accounts?
That would explain why so many votes are against the compelling evidence of TF's scam

Probably because I'm not a scammer?

I don't use shill accounts to vote.

Very convincing, a significant amount of votes that you don't scam. You're good at BSing excuses.

Obviously you're not going to convince me, since I actually got scammed by you for 27 Bitcoins plus the 1 Bitcoin judge.me took from me on arbitration after you said you'd pay the fee and never did.

You only need to scam 1% of your interactions to make a sizable amount of coin and apparently not face repercussions from the community.
Meanwhile, I'm out 27 bitcoins regardless because the any recovered coins are already written off and would be donated to charity as I already explained.

Looks like TF is laying low, looking for a big scam opportunity at this point, with only intermittent scam sightings, such as the one from May where TF facilitated someone getting scammed through ripple (possibly by TF, possibly by an associate).

Is there a comprehensive list of TF's scams? I've only seen the scattered threads (4 plus separate claims) which require some digging to get to.

Is he?  I see him very active promoting his many popular websites.  People seem to trust him, and like him.  Have you considered the issue might be you?

No, I'm not going to blame the victim, regardless of "likability", gtfo, lol.

Someone scams 1% and is liked by some people so we should forgive him?

"Obviously you're not going to convince me, since I actually got scammed by [TF] for 27 Bitcoins plus the 1 Bitcoin judge.me took from me on arbitration after [TF] said [he]'d pay the fee and never did."

Well, this is the first time I have interacted with you, and you've already been an ass.

The large red warnings under your name to the left back it up - the issue is with you, not TradeFortress.

This would be my guess.

From what I read, he has hired another developer for MoneyPakTrader.com, but found him "unworkable".

Compilation of a few of the different scams TF has done:
#0 - Scammed over 4,000 BITCOINS! from idiots who trusted his website and investment "service" despite my thread here outlining his previous scams.
Link will come soon.

#1 - Report of TF committing a nearly identical Programming Scam to how he did me:

#2 - Another reported TF Programming Scam (posted in response to TF scamming me) :

#3 - TF scamming through ripple:

#4 - From tmbp's List of ongoing scams -
Tradefortress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Member "Tradefortress"
[/quote]

#5 - Praise for his work on the development of defunct website www.terrawallet.com
TF never did get past the beta stage for terrawallet, which only managed to display a horrible looking and virtually unusable website (as of a few weeks ago). It was finally put out of it's misery after numerous people lost TRC and the code utterly crapped out as described in this thread:
If the code is ever revealed, users should ignore reviewing the worthless source code seeing how horrible the site looked and performed during it's perpetual "beta" stage.
Reviews and feedback of that site are here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135974.0;all

#6 - My encounter with TF:
I hired TF in December, 2012.
Paid TF a total of 27 btc for a "2 week" job that he couldn't finish in over 2 months.
TF offered to pay for arbitration around early March after I fired him towards the end of Febuary when I realized that he couldn't code the site and would continue to deliver unusable "final versions" of the site.
Later in March, TF refused to pay any share of arbitration or participate in it, even after I paid half the fee to judge.me (which judge.me is refusing to refund).
Around that time, I released the code that TF provided as his final product, it shows the incompetence of his programming.
In late March, early April I contracted with a developer who coded the site (moneypaktrader.com) which needed a "complete rewrite". This was finished in late April when it was publicly launched. Since then development has been done on a per issue basis, such as after  TF performed an unauthorized penetration test, leading to some site developments to repair that vulnerability.

TF has continually refused to either deliver a final usable version of the website I paid him in full for or refund any of the deposits I sent to him (totaling 27 BTC). I already paid for moneypaktrader.com to be created by another programmer, so TF owes a full refund for his failure to perform on the programming contract as I have plenty of evidence for. I have committed to turning over 100% of recovered btc to charity and will honor that promise in the unlikely event any recoveries are made.

There's plenty of links in this thread to realize that no matter how many people *like* TF, he scammed me on the web-development. And no matter how many people *dislike* me and who I do business with, I was the victim of TF's web-development scam similar to numerous other users.

Message me if you have something to add.

oops, fixed the added number for same persons second post. Otherwise accurate.

If you trust the right people, it becomes obvious that TF is an untrustworthy scammer:
http://s23.postimg.org/amq1jj7bb/image.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/amq1jj7bb/)

Unfortunately, the forum default trust list includes him despite the fact he's a scammer. You'll need to ad your own trusted people to your list before deleting that.

Looks like he's gotten away with all those scammed coins and none will be donated to charity as I promised to do with any recoveries:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg2702121#msg2702121

Be careful. people out there are more than willing to steal your coins.

So this means MoneyPakTrader.com has 76 alts.

:    Is TradeFortress a scammer?
Yes   - 76 (25.5%)
No   - 108 (36.2%)
Other / waiting for more evidence / unsure / show the poll results / etc.   - 114 (38.3%)
Remove Vote
Total Voters: 298

I guess ignorance is an option, leave the evidence behind and just believe what you want to, eh.
BTW, I long suspected many of the TF votes were from his alts and alts of his stooges.
I wish I had known before TF got me:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg2702121#msg2702121

Has he stopped scamming people? maybe he made enough, who knows why the TF scam reports have died down. . .

No big deal, I wrote off the 27 coins TF Scammed from me and would have donated any recoveries to charity. no such luck though.

Are you suggesting starsoccer9 is an alt also? They were scammed by TF too.

There was some rumors of TF stealing/selling identity info of forum users that trusted him, anyone have details on this?

Not yet! But TF is a scammer I mean still waiting for clean proof. We have some unsubstantiated rumors going around but as of now he's just an idiot.

No, I did get paid from him.

These are the 2 places to find most of the TF scam reports:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=67058

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg2702121#msg2702121

Be Warned, TF has no problem stealing your coins!

Is there a concise summary of TF's new million dollar scam?
Looking for a single all in one link to add unless there is multiple new scams.

sounds like he had time to think this one through!!!  ::)

100% scammer.

Removed my vote on No, no need to guess what I changed it to.

Uhm... Can somebody explain to me why TF's trust rating is green, please? WTF is going on??

yes and mine is red yet i have never sold or traded ANYTHING!
imo this trust system is obviously b.s. and useless!!  ::)

Default trust is fucked up and forum owner theymos helped tradefortress by making him look legit with some forum default trust.

Too bad it took a $1,000,000 + scam before all the forum tools stopped excusing his total scammy nature.

I put the evidence out here almost a year ago but all these trolling fuckers cover for him with the "oh my investment in his company is paying amazingly well" shit.

Where's a good link to summarize this new scam of his?

Maybe because of:


satoshi 1: -0 / +3(3)   2013-11-14   21,000,000.00000000      YOU DA MAN!>>*many thanks!!!
Korbman 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-17   33.00000000   Reference   Part of the Inputs.io scam, abusive spammer.
Rupture 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-17   33.00000000   Reference   SPAMMER
jackjack 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-17   1.33700000   Reference   spammer~script malware
Stunna 1: -0 / +3(3)   2013-11-18   0.40000000   Reference   Has failed to pay me and others for services rendered; Fraudulent promotions.
dacoinminster 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-18   0.21337000   Reference   unregistered securities fraud
pankkake 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-18   0.13372470   Reference   Paid Spammer; Spams forums to promote his websites. Makes personal attacks towards Bitcoin foundation members
deisik 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-18   0.20000000   Reference   Paid Spammer
mprep 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-11-18   4,100.00000000   Reference   Paid Spammer: https://inputs.io/
icedicedavid 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-19   3.00000000   Reference   Defrauding investors, False promotions using multiple bitcointalk and twitter accounts
IceDiceFox 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-19   1.00000000   Reference   Defrauding investors, False promotions using multiple bitcointalk and twitter accounts
nahtnam 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-11-19   0.00001337   Reference   Abusive spammer, paid promoter

who are you?  8) ~you taking profits buddy? *cough-wink!*

I'm still looking for the best summary of TF's work on this scam.
He only got 27 from me, so no biggie, already wrote it off as business expense, but I'm curious.

Still so many votes that he's not a scammer or undecided.
Oh well, looks like the group here just doesn't think he did anything wrong, that's how the cookie crumbles. . .

Consult the bones

OMG, there's now more people that voted yes than no!!

Still not nearly a high enough % of the total to make a decision on whether TF really is a scammer though.

Oh well, maybe he's just a kid who tried to program a little more than he could handle, can't fault him for that, right?

Well then I suggest you make some trades with him. :)

I think a lot of people have forgotten what they voted in this thread. Back when this poll was started I voted wait for more evidence but then found the thread again today and changed my vote to yes. So I think there will be a lot more people who would do that if they were to visit this thread again.

Up to 40% Woot!

Once he gets 60% he can be added to sublime's scammer list.

Anyone have a link to TF's method for conducting the io scam?

Getting close, remember, all we need is 60% and then he gets added to the scammer list.

At the time of the scam it was between $10 and $20 MIL USD

Nah, it was not. It was however over 1 million USD which is still a ton.

I see what you're saying, but still, nearly 60% of voters in this thread don't think he's a scammer.

Where is a good compilation of his $1M scam activities?

This thread...I watched this thread for over a year and look what happened. Good call I must say.

FYI:
DiamondCardz is probably one of TradeFortresses alts.

I'm sorry... I just had to make an account to tell you how stupid you are...

No, DiamondCardz is not TradeFortress. He was his bitch for a while thats all he licked TF's ass for free mBTC's, they are definitely different people.

This is DiamondCardz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-DBni0ZETI

This is TradeFortress: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101773 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=356665.0 https://www.facebook.com/wu.danny.5

Plus there are a bunch of other "TF alts" that are easy to spot, but too many to count...

I don't know why TF continues to just troll here all the time, given the seriousness of the accusations made against him.

who's this??

seems to be a fan of yours... judging by the name...
:/

BCB we go way back. Hope all is well with you.

Lowut??!! What up.

Any word on bringing TF to justice?

Lol BCB that guy is right, with his 5 minutes of googling to find an old video I made for my MC server when I was just a Mod on it. I used to think TF was not a scammer and I would defend him a lot, I actually had discussions with him quite a few times. Obviously my opinion changed when the inputs.io "hack" occurred. Also I did get a shitty PM from TF recently, if that means anything.

To be completely honest I barely use bitcointalk anymore.

looks like there's still a strong contingent of voters who either say no TF isn't a scammer or need more evidence.
Where is the evidence? (aside from what was extremely well documented early on in this thread)

Old votes. I doubt people can be bothered to go revoke their vote and make it again. I highly doubt anyone would trust TF now anyway lol.