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Title: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: chek2fire on June 21, 2016, 02:13:50 PM
I propose a soft fork now to blacklist bitfinex bitcoin adreeses and after that a hard fork so we revert the bitcoin blockchain before bitfinex crash. If this happen all the ppl can get their money back and to revert the mistake that have done. If this happen we give a good signal to the media that there is guts to bitcoin system and that we can protect always our friends. I advice anyone to be more carefull in the future.

 ;D


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: abacus on June 21, 2016, 02:30:55 PM
I propose a soft fork now to blacklist bitfinex bitcoin adreeses and after that a hard fork so we revert the bitcoin blockchain before bitfinex crash. If this happen all the ppl can get their money back and to revert the mistake that have done. If this happen we give a good signal to the media that there is guts to bitcoin system and that we can protect always our friends. I advice anyone to be more carefull in the future.

 ;D

I don't know, this suggestion seems to me so much ethereal...

 :P


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Btcvilla on June 21, 2016, 02:43:00 PM
This is a great idea!

Can we revert back all the way back to November 2013?


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Karartma1 on June 21, 2016, 02:47:27 PM
I propose a soft fork now to blacklist bitfinex bitcoin adreeses and after that a hard fork so we revert the bitcoin blockchain before bitfinex crash. If this happen all the ppl can get their money back and to revert the mistake that have done. If this happen we give a good signal to the media that there is guts to bitcoin system and that we can protect always our friends. I advice anyone to be more carefull in the future.

 ;D

I don't know, this suggestion seems to me so much ethereal...

 :P

Simply clever!


Exchange can not be trusted. They are run in a way that they are not able to meet an increasing demand. This whole story of network problems, maintenance, failures etc. can not be believed anymore.

We have so many examples and I am sick of them all.



Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: chek2fire on June 21, 2016, 02:48:45 PM
I propose a soft fork now to blacklist bitfinex bitcoin adreeses and after that a hard fork so we revert the bitcoin blockchain before bitfinex crash. If this happen all the ppl can get their money back and to revert the mistake that have done. If this happen we give a good signal to the media that there is guts to bitcoin system and that we can protect always our friends. I advice anyone to be more carefull in the future.

 ;D

I don't know, this suggestion seems to me so much ethereal...

 :P

you have been slocked  ;D


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: ultrloa on June 21, 2016, 02:55:31 PM
I propose a soft fork now to blacklist bitfinex bitcoin adreeses and after that a hard fork so we revert the bitcoin blockchain before bitfinex crash. If this happen all the ppl can get their money back and to revert the mistake that have done. If this happen we give a good signal to the media that there is guts to bitcoin system and that we can protect always our friends. I advice anyone to be more carefull in the future.

 ;D

The Bitfinex is too small for us to bother a fork, soft or hard. We need a fork to increase the block size soon.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: chek2fire on June 21, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
i see that and anothre propose the same solution for the bitfinex problem

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4p2vds/we_need_to_come_together_as_a_community_on_this/

the only thing we need now is Roger Ver and Gavin supportt. Then Knc can fork the blockchain whenever they want. I will follow this fork with my 333h/ms usb miner asap.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: raphma on June 21, 2016, 04:08:21 PM
you guys still trust bitfinex? it wasnt the first time that happens in pump/dump.
Last time i had a small lose but it was enough to get all my coins and move on to another exchange.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Kprawn on June 21, 2016, 04:44:07 PM
No ways, who will be making these calls for coins to be blacklisted in the future? Consensus? I can see a scenario where the next coins to be blacklisted will be the Satoshi millions or some unknown

address with loads of coins. We cannot allow this to happen to any coins, whatever the reason might be... because it will create a habit where people will want to hard fork for every little thing that goes

wrong with Bitcoin. {hacking etc.. not code exploits}  ???


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Dafar on June 21, 2016, 05:03:40 PM
Did you also create this thread on Reddit, or just copy it?


Yes fuck ethereum


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: hexafraction on June 21, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
I propose a soft fork now to blacklist bitfinex bitcoin adreeses and after that a hard fork so we revert the bitcoin blockchain before bitfinex crash. If this happen all the ppl can get their money back and to revert the mistake that have done. If this happen we give a good signal to the media that there is guts to bitcoin system and that we can protect always our friends. I advice anyone to be more carefull in the future.

 ;D

Bitfinex, according to official statements, is having connectivity issues which should now be intermittent--they appear to be resolved from my IP address/corner of the world. Any claim of hacks and loss of currency is idle speculation+FUD at present, barring any consistent inability to withdraw/transact or official statement to the matter. No need to fork ANYTHING over downtime, even if your blood pressure shot up as a result.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: pereira4 on June 21, 2016, 05:11:15 PM
Funny, but fortunately we don't apply Proof of Vitalik in Bitcoin.

The whales are taking advantage of the bitfinex crash to shake weak hands before the big pump next week. I cant believe people still havent dump all of their ETH for BTC btw.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mayax on June 21, 2016, 05:18:16 PM
Bitfinex is well known for price manipulation. Yes, their website is not working because they were shutting down  the servers :)

In the mean time, all their clients lost alot of money and Bitfinex earned. Each year was the same shit. they had "tech problems" when the price was high.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: hexafraction on June 21, 2016, 05:21:03 PM
Bitfinex is well known for price manipulation. Yes, their website is not working because they were shutting down  the servers :)

In the mean time, all their clients lost alot of money and Bitfinex earned.

Can you substantiate a claim that it's not possible to withdraw funds? Otherwise it's just FUD.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mixan on June 21, 2016, 05:22:24 PM
Bitfinex is well known for price manipulation. Yes, their website is not working because they were shutting down  the servers :)

In the mean time, all their clients lost alot of money and Bitfinex earned.
Jesus!  :o
No wonder the price is dropping so rapidly within the last 24 hours. I thought it was just a bubble bursting. But this news is not good at all for those that kept any bitcoin in that exchange. Is coinbase next on the chopping block  ??? I sure hope not since I was looking to buy some etherum from them  :-\


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mayax on June 21, 2016, 05:22:59 PM
Bitfinex is well known for price manipulation. Yes, their website is not working because they were shutting down  the servers :)

In the mean time, all their clients lost alot of money and Bitfinex earned.

Can you substantiate a claim that it's not possible to withdraw funds? Otherwise it's just FUD.

it's not FUD. all the Bitfinex clients were locked out for more than 8 hours SO, they were unable to withdrawn/sell, etc. In the mean time, the price went down with 10%.

Someone who had 100,000 USD, now he lost 10K just because Bitfinex is a shit exchanger and shut down the servers yearly in order to make huge profits.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Lauda on June 21, 2016, 05:54:40 PM
Funny, but fortunately we don't apply Proof of Vitalik in Bitcoin.
This is likely one of the reasons for which Satoshi is gone. What Vitalik has done, and what they're trying to do is counter-intuitive to decentralized blockchains.

I cant believe people still havent dump all of their ETH for BTC btw.
We're most likely talking about people that are solely here because of their own foolish greed.

No wonder the price is dropping so rapidly within the last 24 hours. I thought it was just a bubble bursting.
This is the wrong section for price talk. You might want to visit Speculation.

I sure hope not since I was looking to buy some etherum from them  :-\
Buying a centralized coin with blacklisting? You're supporting all the right things. ::)

it's not FUD. all the Bitfinex clients were locked out for more than 8 hours SO, they were unable to withdrawn/sell, etc. In the mean time, the price went down with 10%.  Someone who had 100,000 USD, now he lost 10K just because Bitfinex is a shit exchanger and shut down the servers yearly in order to make huge profits.
No. You have no idea whether Bitfinex actually had problems or not. It is very normal for something to occasionally go offline. Not repairing a problem on time usually leads to even greater problems and even longer downtime. The real question is whether they've handled it professionally or not.

It might be wise to stay relevant to the thread and not discuss altcoins.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Mastker on June 21, 2016, 05:57:11 PM
You need to ask the miners to agree if there should be soft fork or the hard fork. The miners will make the decision, just like the Ethereum miners.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mixan on June 21, 2016, 06:00:36 PM
Funny, but fortunately we don't apply Proof of Vitalik in Bitcoin.
This is likely one of the reasons for which Satoshi is gone. What Vitalik has done, and what they're trying to do is counter-intuitive to decentralized blockchains.

I cant believe people still havent dump all of their ETH for BTC btw.
We're most likely talking about people that are solely here because of their own foolish greed.

No wonder the price is dropping so rapidly within the last 24 hours. I thought it was just a bubble bursting.
This is the wrong section for price talk. You might want to visit Speculation.

I sure hope not since I was looking to buy some etherum from them  :-\
Buying a centralized coin with blacklisting? You're supporting all the right things. ::)

it's not FUD. all the Bitfinex clients were locked out for more than 8 hours SO, they were unable to withdrawn/sell, etc. In the mean time, the price went down with 10%.  Someone who had 100,000 USD, now he lost 10K just because Bitfinex is a shit exchanger and shut down the servers yearly in order to make huge profits.
No. You have no idea whether Bitfinex actually had problems or not. It is very normal for something to occasionally go offline. Not repairing a problem on time usually leads to even greater problems and even longer downtime. The real question is whether they've handled it professionally or not.
Blacklisted by who?
People seem to be making some off this temporary coin so there is no harm in buying some to get at first then sell off when the time is right.
Isn't that what alternate coins are all about.  ::)


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: ShrykeZ on June 21, 2016, 06:13:37 PM
Haha keep rollin' rollin' rollin', crazy the effect that this has had though.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: ~Bitcoin~ on June 21, 2016, 06:37:56 PM
You need to ask the miners to agree if there should be soft fork or the hard fork. The miners will make the decision, just like the Ethereum miners.
Bitcoin miners community is so huge than ethereum and voting and implementing of soft or hard fork will be not possible at this stage for bitcoin. However why bitcoin should be soft fork?  ::)


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: chek2fire on June 21, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
You need to ask the miners to agree if there should be soft fork or the hard fork. The miners will make the decision, just like the Ethereum miners.
Bitcoin miners community is so huge than ethereum and voting and implementing of soft or hard fork will be not possible at this stage for bitcoin. However why bitcoin should be soft fork?  ::)

because is a trend? first soft fork and after hard fork as the Dalai Vitalik Lama of all blockchains systems suggest


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Fredddurst on June 21, 2016, 06:44:50 PM
BTC e ist broke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The support doesnt work !!!!! They dont answering already !!!!

they took me 3 coins away!!!!!!!!

Not confirmed transactions:
+1 BTC - 0 confirmations - 12.06.16 11:06

364da820cd08ee7e174ec1715a8812104de3a118ddbf8cda4b7908661fafdbdd
+1.99951961 BTC - 0 confirmations - 16.06.16 21:20

cd966d259a1c6ff6f616dbd043b369c0b56c2edd842a396f9dd0a2408e08cfe2


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: hexafraction on June 21, 2016, 06:49:04 PM
BTC e ist broke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The support doesnt work !!!!! They dont answering already !!!!

they took me 3 coins away!!!!!!!!

Not confirmed transactions:
+1 BTC - 0 confirmations - 12.06.16 11:06

364da820cd08ee7e174ec1715a8812104de3a118ddbf8cda4b7908661fafdbdd
+1.99951961 BTC - 0 confirmations - 16.06.16 21:20

cd966d259a1c6ff6f616dbd043b369c0b56c2edd842a396f9dd0a2408e08cfe2

Uh, no. Both of these TXIDs have over 200 confirmations at the time of writing. The BTC have been transferred to 1KFR... and if they are deposits, they should be inducted shortly. Now kindly stop shouting and compose yourself.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Fredddurst on June 21, 2016, 06:50:59 PM
i still waiting for 2 days ....and the support dont react!!!! They dont credited my deposits!!! But the have transfer ist to another adress already


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Gyrsur on June 21, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
I WANT TO HAVE A COMBINED SOFT/HARD FORK PLEASE! NOW! INSTANTLY!

because reasons!


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: hexafraction on June 21, 2016, 06:52:56 PM
i still waiting for 2 days ....and the support dont react!!!!


This is somewhat off-topic for this thread. Either start a new thread asking for help in a calm manner, or try contacting support again.

I WANT TO HAVE A COMBINED SOFT/HARD FORK PLEASE! NOW! INSTANTLY!

because reasons!

Please state your reasons, remembering that a fork (especially a hard fork) is extremely disruptive in many cases. Forks aren't meant to be used to bail out mistakes of individual entities, but only by consensus to fix issues in the Bitcoin protocol/software itself.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: chek2fire on June 21, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
i still waiting for 2 days ....and the support dont react!!!!


contact here. They know what they can do better for their customers.. :D

https://slock.it/contact.html


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Carlton Banks on June 21, 2016, 07:20:40 PM
I WANT TO HAVE A COMBINED SOFT/HARD FORK PLEASE! NOW! INSTANTLY!

because reasons!

Please state your reasons, remembering that a fork (especially a hard fork) is extremely disruptive in many cases. Forks aren't meant to be used to bail out mistakes of individual entities, but only by consensus to fix issues in the Bitcoin protocol/software itself.

lol @HardForker satire misidentified as real hardforker. Like mistaking a spyplane for a flying saucer :D


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: hexafraction on June 21, 2016, 07:36:46 PM
I WANT TO HAVE A COMBINED SOFT/HARD FORK PLEASE! NOW! INSTANTLY!

because reasons!

Please state your reasons, remembering that a fork (especially a hard fork) is extremely disruptive in many cases. Forks aren't meant to be used to bail out mistakes of individual entities, but only by consensus to fix issues in the Bitcoin protocol/software itself.

lol @HardForker satire misidentified as real hardforker. Like mistaking a spyplane for a flying saucer :D

Ah, understood. Thanks for clarifying; sometimes given this community I can't be sure that that's satire.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Gyrsur on June 21, 2016, 08:08:48 PM
I WANT TO HAVE A COMBINED SOFT/HARD FORK PLEASE! NOW! INSTANTLY!

because reasons!

Please state your reasons, remembering that a fork (especially a hard fork) is extremely disruptive in many cases. Forks aren't meant to be used to bail out mistakes of individual entities, but only by consensus to fix issues in the Bitcoin protocol/software itself.

lol @HardForker satire misidentified as real hardforker. Like mistaking a spyplane for a flying saucer :D

Ah, understood. Thanks for clarifying; sometimes given this community I can't be sure that that's satire.

;D

wild west here sometimes. you missed the old times (Bitcoinica, pirateat40 etc.). what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mixan on June 21, 2016, 08:17:09 PM
I WANT TO HAVE A COMBINED SOFT/HARD FORK PLEASE! NOW! INSTANTLY!

because reasons!

Please state your reasons, remembering that a fork (especially a hard fork) is extremely disruptive in many cases. Forks aren't meant to be used to bail out mistakes of individual entities, but only by consensus to fix issues in the Bitcoin protocol/software itself.

lol @HardForker satire misidentified as real hardforker. Like mistaking a spyplane for a flying saucer :D

Ah, understood. Thanks for clarifying; sometimes given this community I can't be sure that that's satire.

;D

wild west here sometimes. you missed the old times (Bitcoinica, pirateat40 etc.). what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
Surprisingly I have heard of them  :D

Now a days nothing is off limits. It seems that people are only interested in making money, no matter how little it is, at any costs.
A shame really. But the wheel keeps turning as they say.  ;)


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Carlton Banks on June 21, 2016, 08:21:27 PM
Now a days nothing is off limits. It seems that people are only interested in making money, no matter how little it is, at any costs.
A shame really. But the wheel keeps turning as they say.  ;)

Fairly sure that off limits money making is exactly what made pirateat40 & Bitcoinica infamous... ::) (obvious in pirate's case)


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mkc on June 21, 2016, 09:41:10 PM
Don't know why network issue in one exchange will bring down pride as a whole. I am little confused.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mayax on June 21, 2016, 09:49:55 PM
Don't know why network issue in one exchange will bring down pride as a whole. I am little confused.

because the whole market is manipulated by the exchangers(the biggest exchangers form a cartel). that's why.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mkc on June 22, 2016, 05:09:46 AM
Don't know why network issue in one exchange will bring down pride as a whole. I am little confused.

because the whole market is manipulated by the exchangers(the biggest exchangers form a cartel). that's why.

I think I got what you saying. Although I tend to give Bitfinex some benefit of doubt that they themselves are victims of unreliable network connection. I didn't know that Bitfinex is one third player of all BTC/USD traded.

We should watch them as well as Bitcoin price in the next few days.


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: pandalion98 on June 22, 2016, 05:33:26 AM
I propose a soft fork now to blacklist bitfinex bitcoin adreeses and after that a hard fork so we revert the bitcoin blockchain before bitfinex crash. If this happen all the ppl can get their money back and to revert the mistake that have done. If this happen we give a good signal to the media that there is guts to bitcoin system and that we can protect always our friends. I advice anyone to be more carefull in the future.

 ;D
It didn't happen with MtGox. I'm pretty sure it won't happen now.

Unless, of course, you were just... umm... What's the word?


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: Kakmakr on June 22, 2016, 05:50:18 AM
This crash were perfectly timed for all the wrong reasons, and I am not saying it was planned, but that it happened at the worst time possible. Would you shut down your service if you reach full capacity? Could it be that their network could not handle the load, and it crashed because of that? I just know a lot of people are going to switch exchanges after this embarrassment. ^hmmmm^


Title: Re: Bitfinex crash: Soft Fork Now! and after a hard fork
Post by: mayax on June 22, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
This crash were perfectly timed for all the wrong reasons, and I am not saying it was planned, but that it happened at the worst time possible. Would you shut down your service if you reach full capacity? Could it be that their network could not handle the load, and it crashed because of that? I just know a lot of people are going to switch exchanges after this embarrassment. ^hmmmm^

the answers are here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1521676.40;topicseen