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Title: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Sword Smith on March 12, 2013, 09:51:37 AM
Hi!

As I have understood, VPNs (Virtual Private Networks, used to hide online identity) are popular among many BTC users. Do you use a VPN and if so why/why not?

Also, I would like to hear which VPNs accept Bitcoins.

Regards,
Sword Smith


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on March 12, 2013, 10:18:01 AM
VPN simply changes your default Ip address to something else, it has nothing to do with protecting your social network.





Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Sword Smith on March 12, 2013, 11:03:42 AM
VPN simply changes your default Ip address to something else, it has nothing to do with protecting your social network.
Who said anything thing about social network? I am aware that you cannot hide your identity if you log into FB or gmail or whatever. But you can surf much of the internet whilst staying anonymous if you use a VPN.

Hopefully someone else can provide some insight into the pros and cons on this.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: gappie on March 12, 2013, 11:59:26 AM
Just use VPN to connect to network at home. No need to hide my activity with Bitcoin


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: havardr on March 12, 2013, 12:19:24 PM
VPN was mainly be used to acces a local network when you are not "local".

Some use it to hide where they are surfing from, but its not entirely secure and can be traced.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: cyberthane on March 12, 2013, 02:48:11 PM
I feel like I should... but i dont   :-[


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Jaw3bmasters on March 12, 2013, 10:48:30 PM
VPN simply changes your default Ip address to something else, it has nothing to do with protecting your social network.
Who said anything thing about social network? I am aware that you cannot hide your identity if you log into FB or gmail or whatever. But you can surf much of the internet whilst staying anonymous if you use a VPN.

Hopefully someone else can provide some insight into the pros and cons on this.

Ok, so you're not a total newb.......

If you have a static Ip address, then VPN is recommended.



Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: BTC Books on March 12, 2013, 10:56:27 PM
As I have understood, VPNs (Virtual Private Networks, used to hide online identity) are popular among many BTC users. Do you use a VPN and if so why/why not?

Also, I would like to hear which VPNs accept Bitcoins.

TorrentFreak just updated their (highly recommended) post on exactly that, here:

http://torrentfreak.com/vpn-services-that-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2013-edition-130302/

Check it out.

Toni


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Sword Smith on March 12, 2013, 11:01:34 PM
As I have understood, VPNs (Virtual Private Networks, used to hide online identity) are popular among many BTC users. Do you use a VPN and if so why/why not?

Also, I would like to hear which VPNs accept Bitcoins.

TorrentFreak just updated their (highly recommended) post on exactly that, here:

http://torrentfreak.com/vpn-services-that-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2013-edition-130302/

Check it out.

Toni
Finally a reasonable answer containing some usefull information. Thank you!


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: knives on March 12, 2013, 11:17:00 PM
Hi!

As I have understood, VPNs (Virtual Private Networks, used to hide online identity) are popular among many BTC users. Do you use a VPN and if so why/why not?

Also, I would like to hear which VPNs accept Bitcoins.

Regards,
Sword Smith

Greetings to you,

The low level of understanding how the "internets" work among BTC "afficionados" is incredible, don't you think?

Anyway, I use OpenVPN at home (without static IP, oh me, I'm a magician!) with DynDNS and everything works like a charm. I have an embedded low consumption fan-less server which runs FreeBSD.

As for the anonymity I use TOR bundle these days. I used to run a TOR node and connect through VPN -> FreeBSD/TOR node (10.8.0.1:9051) but I had really low bandwidth so it turned out that using latest torrent bundle is way safer and faster.

That said, paid VPN's are a fine thing in some ways but mostly protects from some sort of DNS-hijacking that could occur in private WiFi networks easily (metasploit has some fine examples, like redirect from facebook.com to login.facebook.at) where the page asks for confirmation etc. Most avg users will give you the user/pass for fb, twitter and so on. Another way that doesn't work these days is sniffing non-https connections, but almost every website have an https.

Again: VPN protects you from third parties (if you route all your connections from the VPN). Especially in countries like UAE, Iran, Iraq, etc. It's a *must have*. Even if you travel there, but for *real anonymity* you're between i2p and (way better imho) TOR.

Regards bro :-)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: tjohej on March 28, 2013, 10:58:45 AM
but I had really low bandwidth so it turned out that using latest torrent bundle is way safer and faster.
Torrent bundle, what is that? Don't you mean Tor Browser Bundle?(TBB)

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Even if you travel there, but for *real anonymity* you're between i2p and (way better imho) TOR.
Tor is only 'better' in the sense that it has a huge .exit node network while i2p focuses mostly on the darknet(.exit nodes in i2p are called outproxies). One use I find in i2p is the internal torrent network which is not too small these days I can recommend the TPB AFK movie legal to download :D, though I use Tor when I want to get out to regular websites on the internet that are not themselves part of an onion network.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: killakem on July 25, 2014, 01:19:10 PM
Hi,

I only use a VPN to get around censorship etc and also for security. When you are on public Wifi networks all the unsecured data (HTTP) is visible to everyone on the network.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: scryptasicminer on July 25, 2014, 01:19:16 PM
Hola plugin is free.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: niktitan132 on July 25, 2014, 09:09:16 PM
No,i don't use VPNs.Why? Because i use TOR.  8)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: claimore on July 25, 2014, 09:23:54 PM
im on a dorm at university with a lot of other bitcoiners, they do not allow VPN  :(


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: minerpumpkin on July 25, 2014, 10:38:14 PM
Well VPNs make especially much sense when you're connected to an unprotected wireless network. Becuase VPNs effectively encrypt your complete traffic to the VPN-server, therefore the wireless connection (which is the weak spot, potentially also the router/local network) is encrypted.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: jbrnt on July 25, 2014, 10:53:58 PM
I only use VPN to improve security when using hotel internet or free wifi networks, not to hide my identity or anything.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Lanzer on July 25, 2014, 11:43:02 PM
I find them very useful specially to access sites with country restricition ;)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Possum577 on July 26, 2014, 06:58:04 AM
I do, but only for security when working from home or on the road.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Dread Pirate Roberts on July 26, 2014, 07:22:27 AM
vpn still can track by hacked not stupid they have more tools to break you security . thats why need more security when online its important and visit unfamilliar website its really dangerous if you have many money in your investment or important data else.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: serje on July 26, 2014, 07:36:46 AM
I have nothing to hide! So that's why I don't use VPN or TOR ... but when I want to do something I know how hide myself!

I have a perfect combination between VPN/Proxy/TOR that works perfectly! :)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: AuroraHF on July 26, 2014, 08:03:51 AM
I do use it to access certain sites that my ISP block.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Lorenzo on July 26, 2014, 01:01:17 PM
Hi!

As I have understood, VPNs (Virtual Private Networks, used to hide online identity) are popular among many BTC users. Do you use a VPN and if so why/why not?

Also, I would like to hear which VPNs accept Bitcoins.

Regards,
Sword Smith

If you look at the footer of the forums here, you'll see:

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Sponsored by Private Internet Access (http://www.privateinternetaccess.com/), a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.

That was the VPN I signed up to earlier this year, although I paid using fiat rather than BTC. I have it set up on my computer, but I hardly ever use it. I do use TOR and proxies sometimes however although mostly for reasons unrelated to anonymity.

That said, paid VPN's are a fine thing in some ways but mostly protects from some sort of DNS-hijacking that could occur in private WiFi networks easily (metasploit has some fine examples, like redirect from facebook.com to login.facebook.at) where the page asks for confirmation etc. Most avg users will give you the user/pass for fb, twitter and so on. Another way that doesn't work these days is sniffing non-https connections, but almost every website have an https.

That one seems to redirect to the German login page for Facebook. ???


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Simon8x on July 26, 2014, 01:23:56 PM
No for me. But I do use Tor to assess some sites, which have blocked access from my country. ;)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: ashe on July 26, 2014, 06:21:10 PM
I use VPN`s since I dont want any person want to know my location.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: screwUdriver on July 26, 2014, 07:39:47 PM
I have nothing to hide! So that's why I don't use VPN or TOR ... but when I want to do something I know how hide myself!

I have a perfect combination between VPN/Proxy/TOR that works perfectly! :)
Even if you have nothing to hide, if you were to even access a site with an owner with malicious intent that is related to bitcoin then the site owner would know that you likely own some amount of bitcoin and now has your IP address (a way to connect to your computer).

Also if you are ever using a public network (school, library, public wifi, hotel internet) then it would be easy for someone to "listen" to your internet traffic and get credentials to any site that you login to or potentially steal cookies that are sent to you, allowing them to stay logged in to your accounts.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: ajareselde on July 26, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
I use nVPN , fast servers, reliable, and you can also make payments in bitcoin.

Bypasses any restrictions and closed ports from ISP.

You should all use some kind of VPN, weather you are trying to make anonnymous transactions,  download copyrighted material etc..


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: whiteflight31 on July 26, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
Usually I don't care of connecting through VPN, unless I'm doing something what really needs anonymity.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: btcguys on July 26, 2014, 11:49:08 PM
TOR is much better option than VPN


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Hazir on July 27, 2014, 12:03:38 AM
Personally I don't use VPN I have nothing to be afraid of. If someone really want to have my info and hack me, get my data or track me they will probably do it with or without VPN. But I agree it can help you with minor things like keeping your basic anonymity.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: zvs on July 27, 2014, 12:04:23 AM
TOR is much better option than VPN
VPN is much faster than TOR. TOR gave me migraines w/ its slowness.

VPNs are cheap.



Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: hugs1BTC on July 27, 2014, 12:06:17 AM
TOR is much better option than VPN
TOR will leak the fact that you are using TOR while VPN will not necessarily leak the fact that you are using a VPN.

TOR is much slower then most VPNs will be. There are also a lot of sites that block access to TOR exit nodes


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Lorenzo on July 27, 2014, 12:47:00 AM
Also if you are ever using a public network (school, library, public wifi, hotel internet) then it would be easy for someone to "listen" to your internet traffic and get credentials to any site that you login to or potentially steal cookies that are sent to you, allowing them to stay logged in to your accounts.

Is/isn't simply using HTTPS on a public wi-fi hotspot secure enough? I thought HTTPS would encrypt all the data between the client and server.

TOR is much slower then most VPNs will be. There are also a lot of sites that block access to TOR exit nodes

Even this site does that apparently. Surprising considering the fact that the founder (satoshi) used Tor himself.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: scryptasicminer on July 27, 2014, 06:08:34 AM
Even this site does that apparently. Surprising considering the fact that the founder (satoshi) used Tor himself.

Is that the reason why no one figure out his identity?


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: kingama on July 27, 2014, 06:31:07 AM
No third-party VPNs for me but ssh tunneling or vpn of some sort is a must if at public wifi. The more people use any of these anonymizing services the better for everyone. Use TOR. Also check out projects like i2p and cjdns to see where things can be going.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: BIGbangTheory on July 27, 2014, 06:56:56 AM
Also if you are ever using a public network (school, library, public wifi, hotel internet) then it would be easy for someone to "listen" to your internet traffic and get credentials to any site that you login to or potentially steal cookies that are sent to you, allowing them to stay logged in to your accounts.

Is/isn't simply using HTTPS on a public wi-fi hotspot secure enough? I thought HTTPS would encrypt all the data between the client and server.
Not all sites offer HTTPS and HTTPS could potentially be vulnerable to a 0 day attack.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Tammy Chan on July 27, 2014, 09:40:30 AM
TOR is much better option than VPN
VPN is much faster than TOR. TOR gave me migraines w/ its slowness.

VPNs are cheap.
TOR is much better option than VPN
TOR will leak the fact that you are using TOR while VPN will not necessarily leak the fact that you are using a VPN.

TOR is much slower then most VPNs will be. There are also a lot of sites that block access to TOR exit nodes

True and true.
The best feature of Tor is that it is completely free. :)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: eid on July 27, 2014, 10:33:24 AM
I use a VPN. For anonymity and to get around my ISPs censorship of sites it deems inappropriate. Also useful when I use my tablet away from home. I tried Tor but it was too slow.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: seandaniel on July 27, 2014, 10:36:26 AM
TOR is much better option than VPN
VPN is much faster than TOR. TOR gave me migraines w/ its slowness.

VPNs are cheap.



VPN is safer and stable ;)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: wolfYella on July 27, 2014, 02:22:44 PM
TOR is much better option than VPN
VPN is much faster than TOR. TOR gave me migraines w/ its slowness.

VPNs are cheap.



VPN is safer and stable ;)
I don't think VPNs are safer then TOR as TOR is open source and has ways to prevent any of the nodes from attacking you while VPNs only use one node and have a central point of possible attack. You much trust any VPN that you use while you don't need to trust any TOR nodes.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: ranochigo on July 27, 2014, 02:50:48 PM
TOR is much better option than VPN
VPN is much faster than TOR. TOR gave me migraines w/ its slowness.

VPNs are cheap.



VPN is safer and stable ;)
I don't think VPNs are safer then TOR as TOR is open source and has ways to prevent any of the nodes from attacking you while VPNs only use one node and have a central point of possible attack. You much trust any VPN that you use while you don't need to trust any TOR nodes.

Since information transmission between exit nodes and the web is unencrypted, you can expose yourself to the attacker if you do not use a secure SSL site. Even so, vulnerabilities can exist in SSL, such as the heartbleed.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Baitty on July 27, 2014, 04:12:09 PM
hidemyass accepts bitcoins

they are one of the VPN providers with the most servers&IPs

a server in almost every at least moderately known country

they keep the logs a while too long but if it's specific country IPs you're looking for, this is a VPN to go to

How do you know they are the most secure servers? I don't think they are I think the service which this website uses is one of the best and most secure around hidemyass have been criticized because they have been found to keep records of ips etc.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: kingama on July 27, 2014, 05:50:48 PM
The problem with VPNs is that we must assume attackers are capturing every packet on each side of those VPNs. With timing analysis, any substantial amount of time, it is probably possible to deanonymize the traffic flows. VPNs do help on the local side though. Your ISP and the guy sipping a latte next to you would be hard pressed to figure out exactly what you're doing online. Facebook and Google probably still know though unless you disable cookies and other ways to fingerprint your internet applications.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: fatguyyyyy on July 28, 2014, 05:49:29 AM
I use VPN`s when I watch porn and do everything  ;D


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: shogdite on July 28, 2014, 10:25:48 AM
Not at the moment, I've tried a few free VPNs and they seemed to work quite well.

Most of the time I'll just use Tor for browsing the interwebs.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: chogath on July 29, 2014, 06:54:32 AM
VPNs too keep your logs, once i used it, the company sent me an email that I am downloading a big file with some copyright issues, dont know what was their problem, so i stopped using that service..


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Nagato4 on July 29, 2014, 07:19:47 AM
VPNs too keep your logs, once i used it, the company sent me an email that I am downloading a big file with some copyright issues, dont know what was their problem, so i stopped using that service..

True.
It is reliable to bypass IP or country restrictions with VPN, but it is better to use Tor if you want to do something "not so nice". ;)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: forsakenpnut on July 29, 2014, 07:24:34 AM
I use vpns to get traffic using jingling.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: dearbesz on September 28, 2014, 09:08:13 PM
Helo why until now i never recieve any giveaways from vpn???


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: xmasdobo on September 29, 2014, 11:49:09 AM
Yeah, even tho i do nothing ilegal or anything, i just like my privacy, even tho the powers that be can still know what im doing anyway, but regular folks dont.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Testing123 on September 29, 2014, 11:59:22 AM
Helo why until now i never recieve any giveaways from vpn???

Giveaway from VPN? I don't really get your point there...


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: cock-a-doodle on September 29, 2014, 01:48:39 PM
VPNs too keep your logs, once i used it, the company sent me an email that I am downloading a big file with some copyright issues, dont know what was their problem, so i stopped using that service..

ANd what VPN is that?


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: tsm on September 29, 2014, 03:17:15 PM
no need to use a vpn, cause i got nothing to hide.  :D


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: DigitalPirateman on September 30, 2014, 12:26:42 AM
Btguard,com accepts bitcoin and is what i used they mask your identity for tor networks like proxys i also recommend proxys too just incase you leave ur torrent downloader on on your network. If you are tired of the 6 point law now that what people used. I also read about seedboxes but thats for extreme torrent users. Plus Seedboxes are not cheap.

But with all that aside its another form of address that you can used on the internet for example if you were kicked out of an irc chatroom banned in one ip you can used the vpn to go back in. But thats an example i wouldn't recommend getting banned for trolling.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: DigitalPirateman on September 30, 2014, 12:29:49 AM
I also used vpn for my college classes with networking to install windows which was fun.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: chairoverflow on September 30, 2014, 03:01:00 AM
I have used HMA! vpn. It was a paid vpn and worked nicely.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: maurya78 on September 30, 2014, 08:52:08 AM
Not sure anybody in his right mind would admit using VPN's even pseudonymously in this forum  ;)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: umair127 on September 30, 2014, 11:15:02 AM
I had used vps for website developing and hosting for another server, I have known others to use it stealth purposes but never really quite worked out for any of them.   ::)


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: bitcoinbhai on September 30, 2014, 11:46:06 AM
no need to use a vpn, cause i got nothing to hide.  :D
I am happy with your reply because I was thinking to use this but now happy to live without this VPN   :o


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: thermost on September 30, 2014, 12:49:41 PM
I tried Cyberghost for a few weeks, seemed to work fairly well and didn't really slow my my tinternet connection.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: fast2fix on September 30, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
I tried Cyberghost for a few weeks, seemed to work fairly well and didn't really slow my my tinternet connection.
did you had premium subscription? to me on free server it always shows server full!!


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: KIRAZ on September 30, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
I use proXPN & Tunnelbear both are good service providers but none of them accepts bitcoins yet.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: kodeon.CEO on September 30, 2014, 09:22:46 PM
I don't think TOR is as slow as it used to be, if your really concerned about privacy when doing any sort of transactions or what ever you want to do, I would just deal with the wait times. They are not that bad any more, TOR gets a thumbs up from me. I think there are some free VPN services out there, never tried them but I know they exist.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: amacar on September 30, 2014, 10:36:22 PM
Yes I am using VPNs for watching TVIN (something like netflix but for slovenia) when I am abroad or for getting more apps to download on my phone and so I get more points. With them I can buy amazon, itunes giftcards.
My refferal link if someone wants to join: https://m.freemyapps.com/share/url/80392349
And link without refferal: https://m.freemyapps.com

Most of time I am using free VPN getusvpn.com or getukvpn.com


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: owvpn on October 01, 2014, 12:12:56 AM
I use owvpn , fast servers, reliable, and you can also make payments in bitcoin.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: RonPaulBTC on October 01, 2014, 10:43:26 AM
I do because most pages are blocked where I browse internet from.


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: AlpariForex on October 01, 2014, 10:43:58 AM
Computer geek without VPN is just... a liar


Title: Re: VPNs - do you use it
Post by: Davinus on October 01, 2014, 12:55:48 PM
Yes, i use a VPN to access some blocked site. My govt is so suck that they even blocking reddit ::)

I tried Cyberghost for a few weeks, seemed to work fairly well and didn't really slow my my tinternet connection.
did you had premium subscription? to me on free server it always shows server full!!

I got a free premium subscription from members on Bitcointalk, and it works perfectly here, only 14 users connected

http://s13.postimg.org/r66fht0uf/cyberghost.png