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Title: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: bapp on June 22, 2016, 01:30:42 PM
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===== BEGIN SIGNED MESSAGE =====
As one of the core engineers of the Waves Platform project, I can no longer bear withholding this vital information. 
 
First of all, let me be clear that I do not stand to gain any monetary benefit by sharing these important developments.  Secondly, I have not even received any position on the Waves Platform website, nor do I expect or ask for any public recognition.  When I began working on the project, I agreed with "Sasha" to receive a portion of the investor funds in return for my efforts.  The reason I am speaking up is because it appears that "Sasha" is acting solely in his own benefit without communicating with the rest of us on the Waves Platform team.  Recently, he withdrew over 8,000 bitcoins from the investor funding without discussing the usage of these funds with anyone on our immediate team. 
 
Here is proof of the withdrawal:
https://blockexplorer.com/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA
 
Let's just say, we are all very concerned that "Sasha" is not acting in our collective interest, nor do we trust him any longer.  Although this withdrawal has been deeply unsettling, we have discovered that "Sasha Ivanov" is not his real name.  Perhaps in a stupor, he mistakenly sent me an email correspondence intended for Alexei Ulyukayev, which I have determined to be an individual working at the Ministry of Economic Development.  In the message "Sasha" referred to himself as "Dmitry Olav" and spoke of an intentional security flaw in the Waves Platform code. 
 
Aside from Yuri Gagarin, the dead astronaut (whom we had sarcastically claimed as our backend developer), I have been significantly involved in the development efforts.  I am shocked that I had not been aware of a second version of the Waves Platform code, which it appears "Dimitry Olav" has been pitching to various exchanges, with the sinister intention of "Gox'ing" or sabotaging the cryptocurrency community.  More specifically, having reviewed the code, I believe he has placed a recursive line within the routes API, which allows for a backdoor entry into the wallet accounts at an exchanges.
 
I believe that the reason Poloniex has delayed the adding of Waves and others such as Kraken have refused is because they have discovered this security flaw.  Although Bittrex does not appear to be aware of the flaw, I believe the drop in the price of Waves correlates with the dumped Waves from the Bittrex central wallet, which "Sasha" or "Dimitry" generously and freely gave them, to encourage the quick adoption. 
 
Please note, this message has been written purely for entertainment purposes and should not to be taken seriously.
 
Yours truly,
Nick
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Message Hash (Keccak): 0xaf9e302a664122389d17ee0fa4394d0c24c33236143c1f26fe81006061603908
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Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: yelllowsin on June 22, 2016, 01:37:40 PM
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Please note, this message has been written purely for entertainment purposes and should not to be taken seriously.

 ;D lol


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: Twiggy Smile on June 22, 2016, 01:40:32 PM
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Please note, this message has been written purely for entertainment purposes and should not to be taken seriously.

Okay, thanks for a good mood ;D ::) :-*


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: bigfryguy on June 22, 2016, 01:52:22 PM
that was awesome!!!

thanks for that


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: eastender on June 22, 2016, 03:15:59 PM
almost dumped my waves around 5th sentence...


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: johny08 on June 22, 2016, 03:19:41 PM
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Please note, this message has been written purely for entertainment purposes and should not to be taken seriously.

 ;D lol

We love fud :-)


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: vuduchyld on June 22, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
LOL @ blatant manipulation!


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: DogeMajestic on June 22, 2016, 03:24:48 PM
Sold all my Waves. It's falling extremely quickly now.
Go back in on the bottom


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: ImHash on June 22, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Now if 'sasha' shared BTC1000 out of that BTC8000 bitcoins with you, then we wouldn't read this thread of yours at all right? of course I'm right
The only reason you are sharing this information is because you were left out of the honey pot. :)


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: freshman777 on June 22, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
Strangely enough right after this was posted price has fallen fast... hope this was a joke, but seems too much of a coincidence to ignore.

Dafuq!
After I read this I was ready to sell but then remembered I have yet to buy waves.


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: chronicsky on June 22, 2016, 03:37:15 PM
Good one!

let all the price drop so we can buy more :D


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: raphma on June 22, 2016, 03:44:25 PM
damn, i was ready to send to bittrex and dump them  ;D :D ;D :D

release the FUD!


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: Splatters on June 22, 2016, 03:47:53 PM
waves needs an official post that say that this is fake


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: Kevinrasf on June 22, 2016, 04:00:54 PM
waves needs an official post that say that this is fake

Yes but what good will that do lol.

I dont believe this fud to be true.

Anybody can cook up such a message.

Shillers  gonna shill.


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: NutMasterTardd on June 22, 2016, 04:02:12 PM
waves needs an official post that say that this is fake

Yes but what good will that do lol.

I dont believe this fud to be true.

Anybody can cook up such a message.

Shillers  gonna shill.

It literally says it's a joke at the end..


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: IOTUSA on June 22, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
waves needs an official post that say that this is fake

Yes but what good will that do lol.

I dont believe this fud to be true.

Anybody can cook up such a message.

Shillers  gonna shill.

It literally says it's a joke at the end..

I don't think it is, the withdrawal checks out. This might be a bumpy ride!


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: NutMasterTardd on June 22, 2016, 04:12:15 PM
waves needs an official post that say that this is fake

Yes but what good will that do lol.

I dont believe this fud to be true.

Anybody can cook up such a message.

Shillers  gonna shill.

It literally says it's a joke at the end..

Right... but why did the price drop so much if it's really a joke?  And why doesn't anyone from the actual Waves team say it's fake?

It's a joke because the guy that posted it says it's a joke.. People wouldn't read all of that the idiots would get to the 6th line and start to panic and probably going to dump.

The price dropping at the same time was just a handful of sellers, it's been going down since the hit exchanges. It will continue to go down/stay around this price until more Waves features are implemented in the future. This with, market manipulation by whales, bounty dumpers and panic sellers has the price going down, if you are in long term just stop looking at the markets, if you want a 5x ROI this week just dump now because we'll see slightly lower prices before it goes up again.

I'm having a lot of fun day trading and accumulating more Waves. #WhaleStyle



Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: schnötzel on June 22, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
But what is with the 8000 BTC? The transaction is real.  ???


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: St.Stephan on June 22, 2016, 04:17:19 PM
But what is with the 8000 BTC? The transaction is real.  ???

the only thing real is the idiots who are not getting the joke.


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: dannac on June 22, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
But what is with the 8000 BTC? The transaction is real.  ???

the only thing real is the idiots who are not getting the joke.


C'mon buddy,  don't blame yourself in such a manner  ;)


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: dannac on June 22, 2016, 05:05:49 PM
The idiots are the ones that still believe crypto world is not corrupted and dirty to dead...
Well,  IT IS!!!  It's probably the worst place when your concerns are corruption and honesty.
I've seen things happened on XEM community that you couldn't even image...to just give you one example.
  So I would be surprised if that wasn't a joke  8)


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: CryptoCoinWareHouse on June 23, 2016, 02:51:07 AM
Ok Ok I get it it may bea joke  , BUT how do you explain no other exchange is trading wave , Why is poloniex not trading waves ??


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: electronicash on June 23, 2016, 05:00:58 AM

Engineers don't act that way This could be dolores still lol
you won't get rich quick even if you get thousands of waves, it will take time, maybe even years still before the platform will be completed. so you gotta hold it.


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: bones261 on June 23, 2016, 05:33:03 AM
If there are any noobs reading this thread, don't listen to this advise to HODL your ICO coins for years,  :D Don't be the ones left holding the bag. By the way, the Waves team has withdrawn over 9000 coins from the Escrow account so far. https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA (https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA)
The team did meet the escrow criteria of releasing the lite client, so they can have all 29,000 BTC if they want. Also, it would be nice if they made the full nodes open source. How can the community be sure the Waves team is making strides when we cannot view the git with all the progress they claim to be making?

Ok Ok I get it it may bea joke  , BUT how do you explain no other exchange is trading wave , Why is poloniex not trading waves ??


Perhaps because Poloniex doesn't want to put up with the add or substract 1W bullshit. Is that still going on? :D


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: Pistacia on June 23, 2016, 06:49:06 AM
And on Sasha's LinkedIn page that's linked to the Waves website, his name is "Alexander" or something like that, it's not even Sasha. 

So actually where does the name "Sasha" come from??  Is that his nickname?  Why is he called Alexander on LinkedIn?  And there's barely any info on him on his social media. 

hello

To make something a nickname in Russian, you add "-sha" to it. Russian for Alexander = Aleksander. They drop the Alek and change "Sander" to "Sasha" to make it a nickname. It's common in the Russia.


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: doriangray on June 23, 2016, 07:28:37 AM
Another thing, isn't he supposedly Russian?  Why is it he doesn't list that language on his LinkedIn but lists English, German and Italian?  It's just weird, too sketchy for me.

Maybe he's on a hurry for an appointment that's why he forgot the Russian language on the list. Now that you mention it he might update it soon.


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: sasha35625 on June 23, 2016, 11:58:16 AM
If there are any noobs reading this thread, don't listen to this advise to HODL your ICO coins for years,  :D Don't be the ones left holding the bag. By the way, the Waves team has withdrawn over 9000 coins from the Escrow account so far. https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA (https://blockchain.info/address/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA)
The team did meet the escrow criteria of releasing the lite client, so they can have all 29,000 BTC if they want. Also, it would be nice if they made the full nodes open source. How can the community be sure the Waves team is making strides when we cannot view the git with all the progress they claim to be making?

Ok Ok I get it it may bea joke  , BUT how do you explain no other exchange is trading wave , Why is poloniex not trading waves ??


Perhaps because Poloniex doesn't want to put up with the add or substract 1W bullshit. Is that still going on? :D

I think what bothers me the most is that they've withdrawn over 30% of the investor funds, but haven't really explained what they used it for.  I mean, when Lisk was launching, they were giving updates constantly.  Max was on the forums alleviating concerns, despite the whole ddos attack, which was really nothing compared to Sasha manually giving access to Waves accounts.  I think that's ridiculous in 2016, to be doing that manually with 30,000 BTC invested.  I mean come on, at least hire extra people... it's really stupid that many people still can't access their Waves.  The only reason the price hasn't dumped lower is because so few people actually have been able to sell. 

Also with 9000 BTC taken from the funding, I would have thought they would do better marketing.  The last thing on their blog is about how to remove/add the "1W" for Bittrex.  It's pretty crazy how little communication they provide.  You have to constantly be investigating slack, bitcointalk, reddit, twitter, etc. to get a clear picture of what's going on with their project.  They also don't have any actual technical paper out.  There's very little info on what Waves really does.  And on Sasha's LinkedIn page that's linked to the Waves website, his name is "Alexander" or something like that, it's not even Sasha. 

So actually where does the name "Sasha" come from??  Is that his nickname?  Why is he called Alexander on LinkedIn?  And there's barely any info on him on his social media. 

On the website "Sasha Ivanov" (same as Facebook / Twitter)
https://s31.postimg.org/kluumpol7/Screen_Shot_2016_06_22_at_11_17_21_PM.png

On his LinkedIn profile "alexander ivanov"
https://s31.postimg.org/9pxyawyej/Screen_Shot_2016_06_22_at_11_16_49_PM.png

Another thing, isn't he supposedly Russian?  Why is it he doesn't list that language on his LinkedIn but lists English, German and Italian?  It's just weird, too sketchy for me.
a guy with surname Ivanov should obviously speak Russian, don't you think? :)


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: sasha35625 on June 23, 2016, 12:00:06 PM
And on Sasha's LinkedIn page that's linked to the Waves website, his name is "Alexander" or something like that, it's not even Sasha. 

So actually where does the name "Sasha" come from??  Is that his nickname?  Why is he called Alexander on LinkedIn?  And there's barely any info on him on his social media. 

hello

To make something a nickname in Russian, you add "-sha" to it. Russian for Alexander = Aleksander. They drop the Alek and change "Sander" to "Sasha" to make it a nickname. It's common in the Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_%28name%29


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: CryptoCoinWareHouse on June 23, 2016, 02:36:57 PM
When is polo going to added and why is wallet always in maintenance  mode on trex


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: crypto jerk on June 23, 2016, 03:03:41 PM
Wheres all the money going?

Wheres the money Lebowski?


And on Sasha's LinkedIn page that's linked to the Waves website, his name is "Alexander" or something like that, it's not even Sasha. 

So actually where does the name "Sasha" come from??  Is that his nickname?  Why is he called Alexander on LinkedIn?  And there's barely any info on him on his social media. 

hello

To make something a nickname in Russian, you add "-sha" to it. Russian for Alexander = Aleksander. They drop the Alek and change "Sander" to "Sasha" to make it a nickname. It's common in the Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_%28name%29



Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: lermontov on June 24, 2016, 06:11:09 PM
When is polo going to added and why is wallet always in maintenance  mode on trex

What do you mean by maintenance mode? Can you withdraw?


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: From Above on June 24, 2016, 06:12:40 PM
When is polo going to added and why is wallet always in maintenance  mode on trex

What do you mean by maintenance mode? Can you withdraw?

U can deposit and withdraw on Bittrex without any problemz.  I think CryptoCoinWareHouse must have been doing something wrong here.

~CfA~


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: MyownBoss on June 24, 2016, 07:48:37 PM
I know for a fact he speaks Russian fluently, I've seen it.


Title: Re: Waves - I am Shocked
Post by: From Above on June 24, 2016, 10:30:25 PM
I know for a fact he speaks Russian fluently, I've seen it.

Have u seen it in person or in a video u watched online? Cause I've seen it too but not in person so far.

Mr. Ivanov is very interesting guy who I wish I could talk to about some fascinating topics like physics and women one day

~CfA~