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Title: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 22, 2016, 07:12:57 PM
1) it will nuke isreal
2) it will nuke Saudi Arabia
3) it will nuke itself
4) it's impossible to do business with the mullahs there is no jurisdictional stability and too much corruption
5) it's fun when the goal is total destruction when taking all living things there as ennemies to be obliterate
6) good training
7) good tv shows
8) good movies later
9) to free the women ;-)
10) it's a nice destination to visit
11) take revenge for all the fallen in Irak because the Shia are one block
12) liberate Iraq from Iranian control
13) test new weapons and tactics
14) make money rebuilding the country
15) the fun of war, advancement and other opportunity to apply the training
16) show the world who has the deadliest military force ever assembled
17) sending people to the afterlife in mass
18) getting the gas and oil for free

Your opinions? Can you add more? Or are you a supporter of the Shia?



Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: MissionPhailed on June 22, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 22, 2016, 08:25:37 PM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

Under Californian or Colorado law it would be perfect! One limitation in this war no DU. I am sure the Russian allied with Iran because of some nefarious plan in the background...


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: siameze on June 22, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

Iran does have many people who practice Wahhabism. Yes they are much more forward thinking and westernized but still have a large Wahhabist population.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 22, 2016, 08:30:01 PM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

Iran does have many people who practice Wahhabism. Yes they are much more forward thinking and westernized but still have a large Wahhabist population.

And are oppressing like almost every one in the region the nice, warm kind and fuzzy Kurds... Is it good to be Christians in Iran? Or jew? I am sure it would be better once defragmented ;-)


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2016, 02:41:11 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

I'd agree with you. Unlike the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, Iran does not spend its petro-dollars to encourage radical Islamism in the third world nations (such as Pakistan and Bangladesh). They enforce the strict Islamic law inside Iran, but they don't bother about the other nations.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: siameze on June 23, 2016, 03:27:55 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

I'd agree with you. Unlike the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, Iran does not spend its petro-dollars to encourage radical Islamism in the third world nations (such as Pakistan and Bangladesh). They enforce the strict Islamic law inside Iran, but they don't bother about the other nations.

Its already been discussed that Iran does fund terrorism I'm not sure if they openly encourage radical Islam though but they do and have funded terrorism in the past.
And now with the new nuke deal I assume they will start funding more and more terrorists.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2016, 04:28:19 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

I'd agree with you. Unlike the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, Iran does not spend its petro-dollars to encourage radical Islamism in the third world nations (such as Pakistan and Bangladesh). They enforce the strict Islamic law inside Iran, but they don't bother about the other nations.

Its already been discussed that Iran does fund terrorism I'm not sure if they openly encourage radical Islam though but they do and have funded terrorism in the past.
And now with the new nuke deal I assume they will start funding more and more terrorists.

Apart from isolated incidents, there have been no proof to link the Iranian authorities to terrorism. On the other hand, the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world is the NATO and its allies (especially Turkey and the GCC). For example, the NATO is currently supporting the "moderate terrorists" against the secular regime of Bashar al Assad in Syria. 


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: siameze on June 23, 2016, 05:31:22 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

I'd agree with you. Unlike the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, Iran does not spend its petro-dollars to encourage radical Islamism in the third world nations (such as Pakistan and Bangladesh). They enforce the strict Islamic law inside Iran, but they don't bother about the other nations.

Its already been discussed that Iran does fund terrorism I'm not sure if they openly encourage radical Islam though but they do and have funded terrorism in the past.
And now with the new nuke deal I assume they will start funding more and more terrorists.

Apart from isolated incidents, there have been no proof to link the Iranian authorities to terrorism. On the other hand, the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world is the NATO and its allies (especially Turkey and the GCC). For example, the NATO is currently supporting the "moderate terrorists" against the secular regime of Bashar al Assad in Syria. 

I'm sure the Iranians do all they can to cover up their funding of terrorists. But its still widely known that Hamas and Hezbollah have been openly funded by Iran as well as been supplied with weapons and ammo. If that's not funding terrorism then I don't know what is.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 23, 2016, 06:50:24 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

I'd agree with you. Unlike the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, Iran does not spend its petro-dollars to encourage radical Islamism in the third world nations (such as Pakistan and Bangladesh). They enforce the strict Islamic law inside Iran, but they don't bother about the other nations.

Its already been discussed that Iran does fund terrorism I'm not sure if they openly encourage radical Islam though but they do and have funded terrorism in the past.
And now with the new nuke deal I assume they will start funding more and more terrorists.

Apart from isolated incidents, there have been no proof to link the Iranian authorities to terrorism. On the other hand, the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world is the NATO and its allies (especially Turkey and the GCC). For example, the NATO is currently supporting the "moderate terrorists" against the secular regime of Bashar al Assad in Syria. 

I'm sure the Iranians do all they can to cover up their funding of terrorists. But its still widely known that Hamas and Hezbollah have been openly funded by Iran as well as been supplied with weapons and ammo. If that's not funding terrorism then I don't know what is.

Iran only gives ideological support to Hamas and Hezbollah. If the Americans can support hardcore Islamist groups such as Al Nusra (Syrian version of Al Qaeda), Jaysh al Islam, and Ahrar al Sham, and provide them with advanced weaponry such as the TOW anti-tank missiles, what is wrong with Iran providing ideological support to Hezbollah?


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: xht on June 23, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
I have never seen good news report about anything relating to Hamas, Hezbollah, Taliban, Islamic Jihad, Al-Qaeda,etc.or they all's Jihadist organization??


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Maesters1- on June 26, 2016, 08:32:30 AM
i will like to say that impossible war against any country is not the solution of the problems facing the world. it will creat more panic because some countries must be in favor of the country who will fully defend the country so it imposed war on all over the world and you can see that this time if 3rd world war imposed this will be the end of the universe i think. i will like to say that imposing war against a country not a wise decision.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: groll on June 27, 2016, 07:45:36 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

Totally agree with you.  It is the only country in the Middle East which I have not heard of get involved in any war.  It is like an old civilization, its name is Persia before I think.  Hope to go there too. :D


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 28, 2016, 06:31:49 AM
2 questions:

A) what happen when you smoke afghan hash in Iran and your daddy isn't a peshmerga or a mullah?
B) how many American military installations?

If a) something and b) none; the war must begins and fast, unleashed it all, bomb it all, flatten it all and the beauty of the land will not change the Persians or Iranians or Shia what ever you want to call those who are going to die didn't build it.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Cresciuanto on June 28, 2016, 10:48:46 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

Totally agree with you.  It is the only country in the Middle East which I have not heard of get involved in any war.  It is like an old civilization, its name is Persia before I think.  Hope to go there too. :D
I think if the USA has any interest from Iran then it is not possible to stop war against Iran. they will impose war against tell they get their interest from them.  my personal view is that Iran is a peaceful religion country they want peace in the society and do not like war.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: saddampbuh on June 28, 2016, 11:13:54 AM
they don't bother us and we shouldn't be bothering them. our real enemies are the saudis and pakistanis.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 28, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
they don't bother us and we shouldn't be bothering them. our real enemies are the saudis and pakistanis.

They wage war against the opponents of assad and are supporting the enemies of Isreal...


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: saddampbuh on June 28, 2016, 12:50:21 PM
They wage war against the opponents of assad and are supporting the enemies of Isreal...
opponents of assad = islamic state and israel


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: kryptqnick on June 28, 2016, 12:52:49 PM
1) it will nuke isreal
2) it will nuke Saudi Arabia
3) it will nuke itself
4) it's impossible to do business with the mullahs there is no jurisdictional stability and too much corruption
5) it's fun when the goal is total destruction when taking all living things there as ennemies to be obliterate
6) good training
7) good tv shows
8) good movies later
9) to free the women ;-)
10) it's a nice destination to visit
11) take revenge for all the fallen in Irak because the Shia are one block
12) liberate Iraq from Iranian control
13) test new weapons and tactics
14) make money rebuilding the country
15) the fun of war, advancement and other opportunity to apply the training
16) show the world who has the deadliest military force ever assembled
17) sending people to the afterlife in mass
18) getting the gas and oil for free

Your opinions? Can you add more? Or are you a supporter of the Shia?


The war is not necessary in any case, I guess, because it isn't really a solution of problems.
But considering a strong suni movements, it is nice to have a shia opposition, I suppose


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 28, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
They wage war against the opponents of assad and are supporting the enemies of Isreal...
opponents of assad = islamic state and israel

It's easier to find who are his allies and biggest supporters : China, Russia, Iran, and hezbulla... It's impossible for an honest decent human beings to support Assad. However real human beings are in short supply nowadays... Instead most are little drones piloted by monetary incentives without any independent thought but survival and monetary gain accumulation...


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: criptix on June 28, 2016, 04:00:48 PM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

I'd agree with you. Unlike the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, Iran does not spend its petro-dollars to encourage radical Islamism in the third world nations (such as Pakistan and Bangladesh). They enforce the strict Islamic law inside Iran, but they don't bother about the other nations.

Its already been discussed that Iran does fund terrorism I'm not sure if they openly encourage radical Islam though but they do and have funded terrorism in the past.
And now with the new nuke deal I assume they will start funding more and more terrorists.

Apart from isolated incidents, there have been no proof to link the Iranian authorities to terrorism. On the other hand, the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world is the NATO and its allies (especially Turkey and the GCC). For example, the NATO is currently supporting the "moderate terrorists" against the secular regime of Bashar al Assad in Syria. 

I'm sure the Iranians do all they can to cover up their funding of terrorists. But its still widely known that Hamas and Hezbollah have been openly funded by Iran as well as been supplied with weapons and ammo. If that's not funding terrorism then I don't know what is.

Iran only gives ideological support to Hamas and Hezbollah. If the Americans can support hardcore Islamist groups such as Al Nusra (Syrian version of Al Qaeda), Jaysh al Islam, and Ahrar al Sham, and provide them with advanced weaponry such as the TOW anti-tank missiles, what is wrong with Iran providing ideological support to Hezbollah?

Im pretty sure this guys ( iran and above posters, especially bryant.coleman) support terrorism:

http://m.state.gov/mc14151.htm

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-report-finds-35-rise-in-global-terror-attacks-in-2014-1434720328

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/iran-terrorism-timeline/

Special links for my dear friends:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism


Im lost of words about so much lies.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 28, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
Criptix, Bryan is in the process of freeing himself from the Putin mind control program. It's not easy and it can involve pain... So please be kind to him... But there is no way back for him... He knows what Russia and Iran did with the Syrians youths... With the iron curtain, the kremlinists would have a chance...


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: siameze on June 29, 2016, 01:21:07 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

I'd agree with you. Unlike the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, Iran does not spend its petro-dollars to encourage radical Islamism in the third world nations (such as Pakistan and Bangladesh). They enforce the strict Islamic law inside Iran, but they don't bother about the other nations.

Its already been discussed that Iran does fund terrorism I'm not sure if they openly encourage radical Islam though but they do and have funded terrorism in the past.
And now with the new nuke deal I assume they will start funding more and more terrorists.

Apart from isolated incidents, there have been no proof to link the Iranian authorities to terrorism. On the other hand, the biggest supporter of terrorism in the world is the NATO and its allies (especially Turkey and the GCC). For example, the NATO is currently supporting the "moderate terrorists" against the secular regime of Bashar al Assad in Syria. 

I'm sure the Iranians do all they can to cover up their funding of terrorists. But its still widely known that Hamas and Hezbollah have been openly funded by Iran as well as been supplied with weapons and ammo. If that's not funding terrorism then I don't know what is.

Iran only gives ideological support to Hamas and Hezbollah. If the Americans can support hardcore Islamist groups such as Al Nusra (Syrian version of Al Qaeda), Jaysh al Islam, and Ahrar al Sham, and provide them with advanced weaponry such as the TOW anti-tank missiles, what is wrong with Iran providing ideological support to Hezbollah?

After reading your post history I've realized you're just an anti Semite and I cant continue this conversation with you anymore.
Sorry.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 29, 2016, 02:37:44 AM
Gotta say Iran is one of the very few Muslim countries I don't dislike. It is opposed to Saudi Arabia and other Wahhabist states and that's already a plus. The government is very oppressive but it seems the population is civilized and the cities / landscape marvelous to behold and experience. Might even visit Iran within a couple of years ... !

Totally agree with you.  It is the only country in the Middle East which I have not heard of get involved in any war.  It is like an old civilization, its name is Persia before I think.  Hope to go there too. :D

Iran is a very civilized country, when compared to the other third world Muslim nations such as Turkey, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The Iranian birth rate is below replacement level, while the birth rates in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are among the highest in the world. And there exists a sizable minority population in Iran (Jews, Armenians, Zoroastrians.etc), while there are no non-Muslim natives in Saudi Arabia.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Gronthaing on June 30, 2016, 06:04:58 AM

Your opinions? Can you add more? Or are you a supporter of the Shia?



19) it's insane. Think the occupation of iraq was a mess? That isis is bad? Attacking iran will leave a mess much worse. The whole region will be hell. Add other countries with proximity or interests in the area that will have to take one side or the other in the conflict and it could lead to large scale war. Besides there is no reason to attack iran. Diplomacy works just fine.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Masha Sha on June 30, 2016, 06:26:29 AM
Diplomacy is a big lie costing way too much perpetuated by incapable not wanting to work a normal public service job and scaming in all side to have access to wealthy lifestyle under the pretext of representing their nations... Only diplomats are merchants.

Now about your bullshit of occupation? Are you mad... Where did you read it? Come, win and leave. Once hashed enough there will be no worries... I don't care about your little way of thinking. Splash it, break it, kill them enough to not even be able to surrender but just being happy to have survived and done with this regime.

If you read m0glie a French about how nukes are on the table... Wait for a nuclear Iran... Will be fun. Isreal shield is useless against nukes... And you can carry one in a radiation isolated truck...  Wrong the region can only be pacified by killing the violent one. Demonstration of weakness never help. Diplomats want to always perpetuate status quo...

Anyway... West is too stupid right now.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: apollofire on June 30, 2016, 06:39:50 AM
Wars or Guns are not the right solutions of any problem within the society.


Title: Re: War against Iran is (not) necessary because...
Post by: Gronthaing on June 30, 2016, 07:05:24 AM
Diplomacy is a big lie costing way too much perpetuated by incapable not wanting to work a normal public service job and scaming in all side to have access to wealthy lifestyle under the pretext of representing their nations... Only diplomats are merchants.

Yes, let's fund war profiteers and undertakers instead.

Now about your bullshit of occupation? Are you mad... Where did you read it? Come, win and leave. Once hashed enough there will be no worries... I don't care about your little way of thinking. Splash it, break it, kill them enough to not even be able to surrender but just being happy to have survived and done with this regime.

Iraq was supposed to be a cakewalk too. 5 days and $50 billion. In and out in no time. With over a decade of sanctions and a devastated economy how much work could it be really? Then hundreds of thousands or maybe over a million dead from fighting and effect of sanctions. Over a decade later see how well it all turned out? How stable the region is now that iraq is a shining example of western nation building? Imagine doing the same to a larger country with more than double the population. And in an area already so unstable and with nearby strong countries that would probably intervene. At least isis would be happy to be rid of iran.

Demonstration of weakness never help. Diplomats want to always perpetuate status quo...


So just kill them instead right? It is not anyone you know so who cares?