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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: OROBTC on June 24, 2016, 11:37:36 PM



Title: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: OROBTC on June 24, 2016, 11:37:36 PM
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Most polls had the UK to "Bremain", late last night all that was smashed to pieces.  The UK Pound was down huge, the largest drop since the currencies were permitted to float.

Gold was up some $50, one of the the only times that has ever happened.

FEAR is ruling the financial world this weekend.  Derivatives and margin calls may hit on Monday (remember October in 1987?  Monday was the killer after a bad prior week).  Risks of contagion are very high.

When there is fear in the air, people flock to gold.  Yes, BTC will likely perform as currencies become perilous.  BTC may be better over a longer haul.  But it is the short-term that I am looking at hardest.


Prudence would suggest that everyone own some gold.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: MingLee on June 24, 2016, 11:44:41 PM
Anyone who doesn't own gold after the Brexit is either a fool, too confident, or too financially unstable in order for them to own some gold. The world markets are all going to be wanting to throw themselves off buildings after this, and it will cause massive changes within the EU and how everything is run. It also takes a big chunk of the EU's economic product away (relative to other nations), and it might burden the remaining big economies even more, on top of the migrant crisis and everything else happening.

I'll probably look into buying some gold very, very, VERY soon.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: leopard2 on June 25, 2016, 12:31:43 AM
TODAY:

Brits were unable to withdraw money

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/525275/Panic-Brits-denied-cash-abroad-Sterling-crashes-Pound-Brexit-Europe-Referendum

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/uk-holidaymakers-greece-refused-cash-8274302

A tiny pretaste of what is lurking due to fiat money and the entire system based on it. Gold is nice, but for transferring money, a bit impractical. A Mycelium or other mobile BTC wallet and a bit more acceptance, and we can take the banks out of the equation.

...BITCOIN NOT AFFECTED...  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: 7788bitcoin on June 25, 2016, 01:23:33 AM
I think these are just knee jerk reactions to the result of Brexit. The date is still not set and there is still about 2 more years before UK truly leave EU. Uncertainty is before us but changes will happen gradually.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: tobacco123 on June 25, 2016, 08:23:50 AM
I think these are just knee jerk reactions to the result of Brexit. The date is still not set and there is still about 2 more years before UK truly leave EU. Uncertainty is before us but changes will happen gradually.


Although there are two more years to go, things are really different now. Imagine after telling your boss you are leaving your job in 1 month, the way your boss treat you will be very different in the last 1 month...


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: clarkgeneral86 on June 25, 2016, 11:03:30 AM
Gold has no upper limit; bitcoin is orders of magnitude more limited than gold is so as more people want bitcoins, they'll have to pay more to get some, plain and simple.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: panju1 on June 25, 2016, 01:38:06 PM
I think these are just knee jerk reactions to the result of Brexit. The date is still not set and there is still about 2 more years before UK truly leave EU. Uncertainty is before us but changes will happen gradually.


The market is factoring in new information.
Even if it will be 2 years before UK truly leaves the EU, there will be major implications.
Companies will start factoring it in their decisions today. Home prices will start reflecting it today.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: thejaytiesto on June 25, 2016, 02:23:32 PM
Gold has no upper limit; bitcoin is orders of magnitude more limited than gold is so as more people want bitcoins, they'll have to pay more to get some, plain and simple.

You make no sense. Bitcoin has way more potential of growth than gold. Gold needs billions and billions of dollars coming in to make big moves due its humongous marketcap. Meanwhile Bitcoin can go to mars if people move small % of their wealth in. In fact, Bitcoin has already outperformed every other asset on earth:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clx53fyWAAAFLpH.jpg:large

Bitcoin is king.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: Pab on June 25, 2016, 03:33:40 PM
Brexit has begin finacial crash in my opinion it will be begger than 2008
Why Deutche Bank lost 15% yesterday BNP ParisBA lost 18% Sntander 22%
all big european banks from begiing of the year lost from over 60% to over 80%
and yestertday panic,is it about Brexit what will really happen in minimum one year
my opininion no,derivatives market is going to crash


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: alyssa85 on June 25, 2016, 04:47:39 PM
TODAY:

Brits were unable to withdraw money

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/525275/Panic-Brits-denied-cash-abroad-Sterling-crashes-Pound-Brexit-Europe-Referendum

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/uk-holidaymakers-greece-refused-cash-8274302

A tiny pretaste of what is lurking due to fiat money and the entire system based on it. Gold is nice, but for transferring money, a bit impractical. A Mycelium or other mobile BTC wallet and a bit more acceptance, and we can take the banks out of the equation.

...BITCOIN NOT AFFECTED...  ;D ;D ;D

Those are FOREIGN Banks in foreign countries who are panicking.

Everything in Britain is working as normal - we have our own currency, we control our own currency, we now are no longer part of the EU with it's mad ideas about confiscating people's savings via bail-ins (something Britain has never done in 1000 years of history).

Brexit has made Britain safer and your ordinary Brit isn't going to sell the blessed pound sterling for anything else.

Foreigners might panic though.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: n691309 on June 25, 2016, 06:08:02 PM
Many british people were not able to withdraw money as mentioned in the third posts here but I don't prefer to buy gold to escape this situation, bitcoin is much better and easier to manage them as it is digital asset instead of gold which is physically. Panic is everywhere even in bitcoin because of halving but hope this time will be good.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: Chris! on June 25, 2016, 06:20:35 PM
In fact, Bitcoin has already outperformed every other asset on earth

No it hasn't lol. If you're talking about currency then yes (unless there's some small scale crazy unstable currency that's doing well somewhere?) but there are better assets in terms of growth out there.

Check it out: http://www.greenandredmarket.com/menu/yeartodategainers.htm (http://www.greenandredmarket.com/menu/yeartodategainers.htm)


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: Yakamoto on June 25, 2016, 06:27:05 PM
Many british people were not able to withdraw money as mentioned in the third posts here but I don't prefer to buy gold to escape this situation, bitcoin is much better and easier to manage them as it is digital asset instead of gold which is physically. Panic is everywhere even in bitcoin because of halving but hope this time will be good.
I would think it all depends on who had what connections during the Brexit, and those who knew people with ties to the precious metal distribution or mining industries could have potentially walked away with some gold or other precious metals before everything went down, but Bitcoin would have also been a relatively good investment, assuming that they had the money to go out and buy it at the time.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: Fortify on June 25, 2016, 06:56:20 PM
Bitcoin is still a relatively new currency but doesn't compete directly with gold. You can have physical holdings of gold, held in secure vaults and it should be very safe. It's value is decided by the market and supply, but you tend to see long term trends. Bitcoin security has been good so far, but any exploits that come up could cause a sharp devaluation. The longer it has been around, the less likely that is to happen but being decentralised it inherently suffers from the weakness of the 51% attack.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: BitcoinNewsMagazine on June 25, 2016, 06:56:54 PM
Diversification gentlemen! Everyone should hold some gold and also the second largest market cap cryptocoin. You can carry the private keys to a million dollars in bitcoin in your pocket using a hardware wallet that will get through customs. Can't do that with gold.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 25, 2016, 07:00:52 PM
I bought a silver eagle yesterday, not because of brexit but because I like the coin and like to own silver.  Gold is too rich for my pasty-ass blood, but I'd love to own some and I think it's definitely a good idea.  But Jesus, the stock markets have overreacted quite a bit to this news.  Probably the precious metals market, too, but not the bitcoin market. 

I don't think bitcoin is a go-to asset like gold, though they both serve the same function as a store of value.  Bitcoin is just way too volatile for that right now.  Gold isn't and historically hasn't been.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: markj113 on June 25, 2016, 07:03:02 PM
Gold jumped 18% in just 3 hours during the Brexit.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: amacar2 on June 25, 2016, 07:49:03 PM
May be most of the traders don't know much about bitcoin so that they have invested much in traditional gold. However i am sure some of the cleaver trader have already started grabbing cheap bitcoin continuously before halving huge pump.  ;D


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: dezoel on June 25, 2016, 08:19:31 PM
May be most of the traders don't know much about bitcoin so that they have invested much in traditional gold. However i am sure some of the cleaver trader have already started grabbing cheap bitcoin continuously before halving huge pump.  ;D

Yeah people are busy in buying coins to make good profits at halving, but the problem is price is not going higher as per the expectations and that is something really to worry about.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: n691309 on June 25, 2016, 08:43:40 PM
Many british people were not able to withdraw money as mentioned in the third posts here but I don't prefer to buy gold to escape this situation, bitcoin is much better and easier to manage them as it is digital asset instead of gold which is physically. Panic is everywhere even in bitcoin because of halving but hope this time will be good.
I would think it all depends on who had what connections during the Brexit, and those who knew people with ties to the precious metal distribution or mining industries could have potentially walked away with some gold or other precious metals before everything went down, but Bitcoin would have also been a relatively good investment, assuming that they had the money to go out and buy it at the time.

Who believed that they will quit EU, the percentage was really near to each other, but i think gold is mostly everywhere in GB but investing in bitcoin can be better because I think that because of brexit bitcoin price has been increased a bit and hope it will rise more.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: OROBTC on June 27, 2016, 01:57:00 AM
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"... for a While"

And gold HAS been doing better than BTC since the Brexit results came in early Friday morning (US ET), last I looked gold was up some $9.00 in Asian trading tonight, while BTC is down.

It looks like The Fear Trade is to buy gold.  BTC has not moved much either direction since then.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: Pab on June 27, 2016, 10:07:40 AM
Bitcoin is after huge rally,btc is not safe heaven,gold is safe heaven
By the way,Will be voting in UK Parliment in Tuesday to repeat referendum
Hard to imagine that referendum will be repeated but it is possible


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: HeroCat on June 27, 2016, 01:07:16 PM
Fear can be for GBP with Brexit, not for gold. What Brexit will do with GBP, we willl see in the future. Gold always have some value in all countries.  ;)


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: n691309 on June 27, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
Many british people were not able to withdraw money as mentioned in the third posts here but I don't prefer to buy gold to escape this situation, bitcoin is much better and easier to manage them as it is digital asset instead of gold which is physically. Panic is everywhere even in bitcoin because of halving but hope this time will be good.
I would think it all depends on who had what connections during the Brexit, and those who knew people with ties to the precious metal distribution or mining industries could have potentially walked away with some gold or other precious metals before everything went down, but Bitcoin would have also been a relatively good investment, assuming that they had the money to go out and buy it at the time.

Who believed that they will quit EU, the percentage was really near to each other, but i think gold is mostly everywhere in GB but investing in bitcoin can be better because I think that because of brexit bitcoin price has been increased a bit and hope it will rise more.
Well man I agree with you. Investing in bitcoin for now might be better. I also hope that it will rise more this coming week.

I don't know if the number of people is keeping increasing but the price is dropping down for a few days now and if people get more interested in bitcoin means that they will buy and price normally would increase but i think that is not happening, seems that people are more interested in gold rather than in bitcoin.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: leopard2 on June 28, 2016, 10:31:44 PM

Everything in Britain is working as normal - we have our own currency, we control our own currency, we now are no longer part of the EU with it's mad ideas about confiscating people's savings via bail-ins (something Britain has never done in 1000 years of history).

Brexit has made Britain safer and your ordinary Brit isn't going to sell the blessed pound sterling for anything else.

Foreigners might panic though.

true, bonds that are under British law are much more secure than flimsy EU law (no collective action clause shit)

very possible that GBP survives the EUR

any fiat currency is a scamcoin but EUR is currently worst scamcoin, I wish the German Mark would still be around

---> we need EU referendums in EVERY FUCKING EU country  ;D


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: expert4knowledge on June 28, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
Well bitcoin is better than gold for now for profit because of it's up and down price that is happening now. There's a big chance that one will profit from the current pump and dump. It might not be a safe haven for now but it is a good time to earn easy money on bitcoin.
Agree, if one person wants to do some investment and do not follow prices... for long term then gold may be better but there are some assumptions that bitcoin may increase very much.


Title: Re: Brexit: Gold Might be a Better Bet Than BTC for a While
Post by: groll on August 06, 2016, 08:30:46 AM
Yep gold has always been there.  It's been there since the times of gladiators and pyramid building.  People used it before as their money.  Even the bitcoin coin is made up of gold ;D.  But seriously, you can have some investment to both.  Bitcoin shows a promising outcome if you want to have an investment.  It become popular nowadays.  If you are into investing try to have them both as these two gives promising income in investing.