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https://medium.com/@Felt/serious-question-greg-are-you-satoshi-ee13c832563b#.bsucczoxj

EDIT - I now retract the statement that nullc = midnightmagic.  Further research on the matter at the Tahoe site has led me a different direction.  Example:

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.tahoe.devel/1365

7 countries police are searching for Satoshi Namatodo any you can say that Nullc is Satoshil i think still no body know that who is satoshi.

These questions are pointless if you have a brain and consider the following:
1) If he is Satoshi, he will deny it.
2) If he isn't Satoshi, he will deny it.

What is the point of such article? To waste time? To get agencies to investigate Maxwell?

Interesting rabbit hole Mr. felt.

I feel his demeanor is too.... Cocky? Maybe not the right way to put it, but he seems to me to be full of himself in some of his tweets. Although I just skimmed threw them (could be completely wrong as I didn't read all the back and forth).

Love the investigation though!

Do you know what is the point of it all at the end of the day?

It is how you deny that makes the difference.

I mean, Mr.Felt has a point, and that is...undeniable.  8)

The point is to understand where this all came from a little better.  People are inherently inquisitive.  

If Greg were to be Satoshi, it would explain a lot - but I don't know that it would change a lot. Greg is probably already being looked at by agencies anyway - either b/c he works for one (not saying he does, I just mean some folks think BTC is a govt project - the blockchain is the world's best surveillance system/honeypot) or because he's a leader in this community. Either way, if the answer is "yes, greg is Satoshi" - either in whole or in part - I'm impressed as a person could get and want to shake his hand.

The point is wasting everyone's time, especially his.

It makes zero difference.

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Okay: That's the point, fine. However, what are the chances for him to admit this regardless of whether he is satoshi or not? I'd say very close to 0.

Those folks need an upgraded version of tinfoil hats.

That does make me curious though: If this turned out to be true, would the people that have been attacking Gregory stop because he's Satoshi? :-X

I don't know what others would do, but I think it puts a totally different spin on the last year.  I could very easily empathize with his various positions if he were to be Satoshi.

Also, Lauda, I take it you don't find the Midmagic = Greg part that much of a stretch?  If you can buy that, then making the connection to Satoshi becomes doable (not necessarily probable) - midmagic is competent and was hanging around the usual suspects at the time the whitepaper was released.  

Again, this is all from a position of love and admiration.

Lauda, I don't understand your answer also if you reply this then


In any case, this is truly interesting and ispiring. Thanks for your insights Mr.Felt

greg isnt satoshi, but give it a few weeks and people will start to say another blockstreamer is satoshi
first it will be P wuille
then a few others
ofcourse Luke JR wont be considered because he is too nuts to be ever considered. and ofcourse preparations are being made by blockstream to kick luke to the curb in the same dramatic tactic as hearne and gavins "lukes future HF implementation release is an altcoin"..

but eventually people will demand adam back is proclaimed bitcoin overlord.

other then that ill skip all the drama of false prophets and messiah complexes used to try ensuring blockstream grab the "brand title" of bitcoin.

Why the 'last year' in particular? I think this would be a case of subjective bias. You currently can't empathize with his various positions, but would be able to if he was satoshi?

I don't. However, I wouldn't say that you have conslusive proof there. I'd say you have some circumstantial 'proof' (although I don't know about the resemblance in the writing style as I have never done such an analysis myself).

I guess that it is fine if the intent is to not attack him.

The usual arrogant egotism from you Franky (I guessing this is Franky#2....?). Demonstrate some (any) analytic ability first, and maybe you'll get an audience one day

Tell us, oh great one, who Satoshi is, with your amazing identity divining powers lol

firstly the OP doesnt offer any analytical proof of "writing styles are very similar" where others have actually done some analytic and those dont point to greg.
even the OP shows he hasnt done much in the way of writing style analysis by saying " I have the jgaap software and I may run some tests (but I probably will not)"

meaning his opinion is just an opinion based on his personal view(nothing concrete). and he doesnt want to do more analytics because he doesnt want to enforce his opinion, but instead leave it vague enough to step away from without much debate

secondly people confuse anonymous (wanting privacy)¹ vs anonymous (attention seeking anarchist hackers). satoshi wanted privacy and personal control¹ and greg wanted anarchy and fame

also the genesis block was not a washington times newspaper article. and greg does not say "bloody". meaning satoshi is more british language based²

and greg is american.

anyway. lets just skip to the next drama event of the next name people think up, usually it takes 6 months for people to reboot the "who is satoshi" drama so lets just skip through and then get on with our lives.. because theres no point wasting pages of messages of greg=satoshi because it simply lacks anything concrete.

Be quiet, Franky, real people want to have a real discussion



I've outlined a plausible scenario under which deep-state actors created Bitcoin, not as a honeypot NWO currency, but as an inevitable consequence of advancing computer science that must be front-ran, before some guy-in-a-basement cypherpunk comes up with it themselves. Of course, under that scenario, Satoshi being some deep state banking oligarch is still pretty inconsequential, as Bitcoin was clearly rushed out before any tenable long-term design had been established (and the Satoshi coins may end up unspendable as a result of that rush/oversight)

Yeah because some as smart as satoshi wouldn't use foreign expressions in purpose to make the task of trying to pinpoint his nationally way harder.

That proves or disproves nothing. The fact is, gmaxwell could have been satoshi since he is one of the top contributors of all time and still very active, very smart guy, so could be it just like it could be Adam Back or Nick for all we know.

@Lauda - I empathize w/ Greg now.  Go through some of my recent posts here, I listed Greg as preferred Satoshi candidate of mine.

You [edit - I think I meant Franky here] are correct about not having linked writing styles conclusively - although I'm not sure even the best stylometry software can do that.  I haven't run the software yet b/c IRL duties; when I made the post last night, it was really late. I will also agree w/ you that my initial post is just a musing - I'm not betting Greg is Satoshi one way or another.  I just think it would make sense if he were and that it is plausible.

About explaining this past year - 2015 and 2016  have had the scaling debate front and center to the extent main stream news has covered it.  There have been intense debates.  I think if Greg were Satoshi, I'd have a lot to reflect on especially from 2015 and 2016.  Remember when Greg got called out for claiming credit for some of Satoshi's commits on Github?  Remember how Gavin came to the rescue to explain that away? Such blips from the recent past take on new meaning if Greg is Satoshi.  

https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4550sl/greg_maxwell_unullc_given_your_valid_interest_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/45g3d5/rewriting_history_greg_maxwell_is_claiming_some/
http://www.coindesk.com/gregory-maxwell-went-bitcoin-skeptic-core-developer/

via @Midmagic, these tweets are interesting if Greg is Satoshi (and midnightmagic):
https://twitter.com/midmagic/status/674514614772563968 (http://archive.is/R0R4j)
https://twitter.com/midmagic/status/76112785175617536 (http://archive.is/jsdlW)
https://twitter.com/midmagic/status/139822645301616640 (http://archive.is/TkuGg)
http://bitcoinvox.com/article/1041/satoshi-asked-wikileaks-to-avoid-bitcoin-in-2010
https://twitter.com/midmagic/status/22863783508 <--- One of the most interesting to me, tons of reading + Jstor dump maybe offers insight into how Satoshi found an obscure 1968 article on transit networks (http://archive.is/esGvo)


@Franky

If Satoshi was worried about being discovered from the beginning, its very possible he wrote in a way that would make author attribution analysis very difficult (i.e., mixing up spelling, punctuation, word choice).  Its not that hard to copy and paste american english text into a translator that converts it into Aussie or Brit english. You can even make the text take on a pirate dialect. argh. People also take on words used by their friends.  So, for example, if Greg were talking to a lot folks in the UK via ham radio, I could easily see him picking up British words:

http://www.interceptradio.com/ham.php?call=NT4TN
https://wdtn.co.uk/2014/09/14/nt4tn-launch-event/

Ham radios are very John Galt-ish, by the way.

No one knows who's satoshi. Because he/she can used a codename like satoshi. Satoshi is anonymous. So we cannot find or identify satoshi. But that's not a good idea to identify who make a coins in this computer the important of all. He create a coins that he can convert a real money. If satoshi is they identify or the took the police. Maybe bitcoir or satoshi is godn.

True.  Its just a fun topic to bounce around.  Clearly, no direct evidence here - just speculation (and this type is much safer than speculating on shitcoins).

if it was a subconscious effect due to social interactions, then the regional variations would be consistent and would be visible in gregs 'chatter' too.

You ever considered that we jumping from one guy to the next, because it's not just a single person... but rather a group of people? Something as brilliant as Bitcoin, cannot just be the fruit of one persons mind.

We regularly have brainstorming sessions at work, and we usually come up with fairly good suggestions, when their is good interaction. I think this is the same thing... A group of guys met online and they had

the same interest and at one stage they got together and discussed this in person. They formulated the White Paper for this idea together, but it was written by one person to create confusion. I still believe that

Satoshi was just the leader of a group of people and not a single person.  ::)

Wow, very convincing article. I told everybody when craig 'came out' as being satosshi I was 95% sure, now, after reading that, 99% sure craig AKA midmagic is our Satoshi.

At this point it is very clear the western world will execute anyone who can prove they are satoshi,  I doubt the east will be kind with them either.

There's a well-known precedent for what you're describing: French mathematicians in the 1950's published a pure maths text under a single name, without any acknowledgement of the multiple authors in the book itself. Not for the same reason Satoshi hid his/her/their identity (they were worried that separate works would get ignored, as they were feeling outgunned by mathematicians of non-French nationality), but I can't help thinking that Satoshi may have been influenced by that group's MO.

I guess that I haven't read that post, but it doesn't matter since you've made a fair point. I guess it is only rational to say that there's a possibility of this even though it is quite slim. I also agree with the second sentence.

Well, we've had a lot of candidates now, ring from Nick Szabo, Gavin, Peter Todd, to the "self-proclaimed" C.Wright. Maxwell is a decent candidate indeed.

I'd definitely like to see the results of those tests in the case that you do end up doing them. This could help your investigation.

If you're serious, unfortunately there's something wrong with your comprehension skills.

Okay so maybe the whitepaper and the Bitcoin protocol were created by a group of people but what I am asking now is: was the Satoshi account on this forum controlled by this group or was it a single writing account?
If I was to reply I'd say the satoshi account seems clearly controlled by a single person.

Nick Szabo, Adam Back, Greg Maxwell, Peter Wiulle... they are all top dogs in the Bitcoin game and therefore they are all realistic Satoshi Nakamoto candidates.

Too bad we will never know at this point. Even if someone came up with Satoshi's keys and moved coins, it would just mean he owns those coins, it doesn't demonstrate that the code was written the person owning the private keys for Satoshi's coins in that particular time.


We can't never know. Satoshi most likely used a VPN or TOR and his writing style doesn't show any concluding information on him being 1 guy or 5.

no way Greg Maxwell is Satoshi.  

Greg makes even simple communications difficult.
Satoshi was simple and clear in his writing.

Also I'm pretty sure Satoshi would not start
a centralized corporation to try to control
bitcoin development.

the pseudonym satoshi was ONE guy.

but he did indeed have help. he grabbed idea's from many people (Wei Dai, etc) and he had the mindset to patch the idea's together into what is now known as bitcoin, with many quoting satoshi's creation as the elegant patchwork of so many idea's that come together to solve a problem perfectly.

he(again single person) had help from a few people to code bitcoin, notable names of early 2009 are hal finney and a few others.
as the months passed of 2009-2010 the number of names helping out increased.
and then he vanished

Yes, absolutely.  See the last part of the article. Satoshi could be multiple people or one person among a group or a lone wolf (including an org). 

At the moment, I think there are a handful of really good Satoshi candidates, some or more of which could have been working together at the time of the white paper (on bitcoin, or maybe just professionally in another capacity - perhaps Satoshi went rogue from the org). Today, I think Greg gets included in a very elite group of suspects that pass the laugh-test.  I think the guy is crazy smart, generally a pretty good human being, but pretty firm in what he knows or believes - I don't think this is atypical for those w/ exceptional intelligence. 

Typical behaviour from the Frankys; nonsense assertions with no actual proof, just a skim through some real events that prove no such thing, but could easily fool someone ignorant/immature into believing.


Satoshi did acknowledge people like Wei Dei, Adam Back and David Chaum in the white paper. Nothing to do with how many people constitute Satoshi, the events are isolated.

Satoshi did get help from Hal, Pieter Wuille, Mike Hearn, Greg Maxwell, Gavin etc very soon after releasing the white paper. Nothing to do with how many people constitute Satoshi, the events are isolated.




One interesting aspect of the Satoshi story is what Sergio Demian Lerner discovered with his analysis of the evidence about Satoshi in the Genesis block. Sergio figured out how many 2009 PCs Satoshi must have used, and how long for, to produce the exact block he wanted (i.e. he rejected thousands of blocks before settling on the one he bootstrapped the Bitcoin network with).

Satoshi (apparently) must have been using over a dozen high-end PCs, hashing away constantly, to get his preferred Genesis block. Highly amusing fact: it took 6 days. On the 7th day, he rested :D.

See some of Nullc's comments about the computer (on Reddit) he's used to test things recently - its pretty balls-to-wall.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1221334.msg12803522#msg12803522

This thread makes me want to laugh, then cry.  :'(

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121024033237/southparkla/es/images/1/1b/Scott_Tenorman_Debe_Morir.jpg

"That's right Scott, let me taste your tears *slurp*" ;D

lol how much fail.

firstly.. there is no data before the genesis block. only data AFTER the genesis block.
and what sergio found was that over the year of 2009-2010 he could look at the nonces and extra nonces and work out who was mining what
(different colours=different people, yep he even found gavin and haal and a few others)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OrCUQvP3tpw/U-tBmKuAcYI/AAAAAAAAAZw/Uc08f6hvlfE/s1600/extra_nonce_v_known2014-08-13.png

he then looked at the nonces and extra nonces of the first <12 hours of bitcoin mining (before hal started) to know which one was satoshi's
and then extracted just the satoshi nonces and ignored the other people (hal gavin serius etc)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-04Pxw02Yxds/U-tBr9rAN0I/AAAAAAAAAZ4/LKyLPrqcNmo/s1600/extra_nonce_v_satoshi2014-08-13.png

and guess what. it was one machine.
sergio even went to discover that at the start satoshi would stop mining, recompile an updated client and mine again like clockwork every 5 days, but later it then become less predictable when other users/devs started to link him their bug fixes more randomly.

serio even went on to discover that every 5 months starting from may2009 satoshi reduced the amount of CPU power he dedicated to his virtual machine as a predictable tailing off of hashrate due to satoshi not wanting to dominate the hashing network. eventually stopping completely in may 2010

all of which would not be possible if satoshi was using multiple machines of different cpu power.
and ofcourse my first point. lets all laugh at the fact that the genesis block is the genesis block and there was no data before the genesis block to even prove that satoshi "threw away thousands of blocks before he settled on the one he liked"

I'm talking about Sergio's analysis of the Genesis block itself, not of the early blocks. And I'm not going to question what Sergio said, and that's not what he said. Someone linked the thread above, so, as usual Frankys, your BS is hanging right out. Your arrogance and straw-manning knows no bounds :/


Edit: turns out Mr. Felt was linking something else entirely.



Here's what I've found so far: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176192.msg1834775#msg1834775


Unfortunately, I can't find the actual thread as of yet.

Suffice to say, Franky is full of shit (who is honestly surprised?): Sergio Demian Lerner did work out (well, estimated using reasonable assumptions) how much hardware Satoshi used to mine the Genesis Block, although my memory of it being several machines may be wrong. Looking for the thread Sergio refers to in the quote above.

Here's Sergio's original thread concerning his analysis of the Genesis block:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172009.msg1789665#msg1789665


So Franky(s), where's your big talk now? Nothing to say?

Such awareness:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172009.msg1790805#msg1790805


edit - https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/satoshi-machine-one-mystery-is-solved-and-another-opens/

lol


i see no claim about the "thousands of blocks" he rejected.

as to the high hashrate which sergio (initally) and gmaxwell thought was multiple machines used to create the genesis block, turned out to be just one

also sergio done other analysis after that

then he went on later to dig a bit deeper and his thought processes changed the more he learned..
the nonces, hashrate, etc all matched
the hashrates all curled off at the same time when satoshi's system must have been doing common tasks
https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/satoshi-machine-one-mystery-is-solved-and-another-opens/
sergio hints at how the date was locked and other things.. all of which. if you tried harder in your research point to something..

and ill give a hint to you.. "VM"

Satoshi went on to be called Crumbs. He's banned from the forum. 8)

Not impossible

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490703.0

So what happened to your false assertion that Sergio couldn't know what Satoshi did to produce the Genesis block? What happened to your straw-man waffling about Sergio's entirely different research about the early blocks that are not the Genesis block? That had zero relation to what I was saying? You're now admitting that you made all that up, huh?

And if Satoshi was deliberately trying to mine a block with very specific properties, how many iterations do you think that took, using a 2009 PC working for 6 days? Probably an order of magnitude higher than thousands of blocks got rejected before Satoshi chose one, it doens't take Sergio saying that explicitly to figure that out, lol, or at least not for me.  Man, you just don't seem to give up with telling the most convenient lies to suit your shit talking.

When will you learn to stop lying? Lying doesn't work post-Internet, genius

thats YOUR assumption. backed up by nothing.

by the way, hashing a block does not require making a new block per hash.. there are nearly 420,000 pieces of evidance that shows that one block of data is validated from millions of hashes until an appropriate solution is found.. (not the other way round)
again for emphasis:
not thousands of blocks for only one hash.
not thousands of alternate blockdata is rejected and data changed and retried..

oh by the way. the numbers and math was actually locked in as far back as november 2008, should you care to research sergio's finding further as even he has looked at satoshis earlier work.
so when satoshi started up his SINGLE machine in january.. he was not changing settings thousands of times and rejecting it until satisfied, he had the settings already and just let it run until the solution popped up.
one setting, and lots of patience.. probably a couple cups of coffee.. that its

but the end point of what you tried to meander away from is simple.
one computer. one person = satoshi
other people, other usernames = helped

Eh? You're not making sense Frankys, I never said anything about changing the parameters that produce the block? I think you need to take a break, you're probably hallucinating through staying awake posting for 48 hours lol (get that sleep you claim to live without lol)


And again: how many hashes (read: blocks, seeing as your semantic quibbling is your only route out of the corner you've painted yourself into ;D) do you think Satoshi attempted with his Genesis block production code?. It took him 6 solid days! I'm totally guessing when say thousands, granted, but who cares if someone with their name in lights doesn't tell us that? Does not invalidate a reasonable estimate, but then again, original thought is not really your forte. And you've managed to figure out that Satoshi left the machine hashing away to itself to find his goldilocks block header, do you think Satoshi's PC was taking cigarette breaks or something?

atleast your talking about hashes now.. one step forward atleast.
but lets laugh further. how many did satoshi reject.. answer: none.
the software did it for him. just like mining today.

its kind of like saying how many hashes did luke Jr reject before getting 1 block a day on eligius ages go.. answer: none.
the miners software did it.
luke JR did not reject anything. hashes just naturally keep hashing until a solution is found. there's no "rejection"

oh and by the way it didnt take him 6 days.. your right your just guessing

but the end point of what you tried to meander away from is simple.
one computer. one person = satoshi
other people, other usernames = helped

That's not what Sergio's research suggested, you should read it.

seriously are people actually looking for Satoshi?

your 6day guess.. (im still laughing) was based on sergios initial OPINION in april 2013 where he done some maths based on

which later(autumn of 2013) sergio denounced and worked out that satoshi was running VM software allowing more threads, and a few other details. which i did actually try to help you out with by giving you a hint earlier..
and sergio worked out it didnt take that long at all..

anyway satoshi was one person with one computer.. end of

The truth: the answer to everybody's question regarding the identity of the individual who is responsible for putting together all the "pieces" of the first workable peer to peer digital cash system is right in front of everybody's noses.  

I will provide some clues. Those searching for the guy in this picture have information: http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/256/ the guy in the picture is named Satoshi.

And the group working on this related encryption problem : http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122 stumbled upon the concept of the decentralized component of "the ledger."

Bitcoin basically presented itself....and the name given to the individual labeled as the creator of the technology can add no value to its existence.

There are those who claim they are nakamoto satoshi and people dont believe in it. Nulc is not out of the list though he is a possible candidate but he cannot be mr. satoshi. It doesnt matter who is nakamoto Satoshi, I guess well leave that controversy there since even if we know who he really is the most important thing is tha bitcoin becomes part of our lives and we thank who that person who created bitcoin.

I'll take a longer look over the weekend.

How did you find these clues? Sounds like you know the answer already - how?

Briefly.  Card #251 had some sort of code puzzle, the community working on the problem figured out that it was an encryption problem, they decided to brute force it, they built and distributed the client, they learned it wasn't efficient because each client was running independently, so they began the process of working on keeping track of eliminated combinations to distribute the workload across the network for efficiency....etc.  Much of this stuff happened via ICQ and email but community recruitment was achieved via the forum thread above....pay attention to the dates and the type of people involved (where they are now is interesting)....notice the time frame when the project went dark....and notice https://www.distributed.net/RC5

Card #256 has not been solved.

It's all there...the rest you can find here and the early mailing lists.

Here we go again ...
What does it matter who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is anyone know? There is a system works, it is used. Why all this? Just use.
We all Satoshi.

Thanks. Yep, already done - some of it cross-checks w/ some research I've been holding back for a few months... i recall trying to remember something about a dairy, a robot from turkey, a trust, a company called Bitcoin Ltd. (formed Feb 2009), a Yale father and son (one in London, one in Denver), plus an accountant  ;)  Extra hint - http://www.economist.com/node/7001738

I think you see the bigger picture...makes me wonder what else they used us for....

Basically the ledger created itself as a result of the above processes. Distributing the workload across the network, and keeping track of the sequences used in the brute force attack so that sequences weren't inefficiently ran twice (double spend problem), accidentally solved problems others were working on in co-related projects....the rest is history  --> the real work began with all the familiar names and Satoshi Nakamoto is just a face on an unsolved puzzle card; who, by the way, is still waiting to be found so that he can give the secret passphrase away that he's been holding onto for all these years.  Smile....

Damn rabbit holes got me up past my bed time...



Cjmoles- I read threw a bit of the forum links you posted mostly twards the end. Is the card a key to 1 of Satoshis keys?

Unfortunately the economist artical is behind a pay wall.

As for the picture I'm lost...

Card 251: No, the game was discontinued just prior to the publication of the original whitepaper well before the encryption was broken.  There were no blocks mined at that point.  If you read thru the thread you'll be able to see what was being developed...

Card 256: This card is still unsolved and many of the clues are in a thread on that same forum....this guy Satoshi hasn't been found yet but he is holding a phassphrase to something....dunno....have to find him to figure that out.

No one will never know who's satoshi is. And if I doubt if he will try to because there are so many reasons that it will not happen. Risk if he's going to reveal himself will cost life and let's face the fact that there are people that won't believe it's really satoshi.

Here's the thread with the clues to Card #256: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16148&start=15  click on the red bars in some of the individual posts to reveal hints...this is page 2 and the hint there is "I am Satoshi!"  That clue was presented in 2006....look at the dates on these things....

Although distributed.net is still live it hasn't been updated in 6 years, have you tried to track down any of the known members? I searched thumper^ for shits since he is close proximity to me. Been able to track down any still on IRC or with the the same Twitter handle ect?

We haven't even gotten to the fun stuff yet.

quite possibly the entity behind bitcoins satoshi. was in his past, just a random player of the other games and loved solving problems/puzzles

and when thinking what names to chose for his bitcoin pseudonym was thinking of things randomly like

galt
waldo/wally
chouchani
fulcanelli
and then remembered his old gaming days where there was a mysterious name of satoshi that was never found in a 'game' he used to play. so he adopted it because he enjoyed the mystery of that name

but anyway thats all speculation. as is any other satoshi mystery.

Craig Wright is Satoshi.

Another interesting post on page 41 which gives more hints to the game.

Amazing


*****
Hey everybody. Been a while, hasn't it? Over 10 years. I stumbled across Find Satoshi a few months ago by sheer chance, or call it luck. Like many of you, I found myself completely immersed by it, but a little too late to participate. So instead, I made a podcast episode about it.

I read through every one of your posts here as part of my research, along with interviewing Laura Hall (of findsatoshi.wordpress.com) and Adrian Hon, the creator of the game.

If you wanna go on a trip down memory lane, have a listen.

https://soundcloud.com/listen-to-this-244929090/findsatoshi

Will be on iTunes before too long, as well.

Enjoy, and happy hunting.

I read that last night also, were you able to track down the podcast or is it still available? Didn't take to time to follow the links last night as I was bouncing back and forth in different direction.

Maxwell does not know how to code. Maxwell does not know who Satoshi is.

midmagic looks quite like Satoshi though

There are some interesting stories....many went dark but you can find archives of some of their conversations on other forums.  Many of the people who participated in these activities went on to work for big companies like Microsoft, Google, IBM....etc.  Some were already working with these places and secretly shared some of their companies resources....There's lots of stories....

watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060397/
thanks for a tip

the thing i'd love to ask satoshi is did you expect it to blow up like this? i assume he believed there was a chance but the idea of having to always cover your tracks must've been exhausting, especially when no one cared at the time. i guess if he had slipped up somewhere we'd already know about it.

No....we haven't....It gets deeper!  Just follow the crumbs.  The idea of using the wisdom of the masses to covertly solve contemporary problems is huge!  The utility of distributed networking applications is just barely being understood by the general public....The number of degrees in the "six degrees of separation" theory is quickly declining....think about that!  While many are diving down rabbit holes in search of straw men like Satoshi, others are farming our data and using it to solve problems that cannot be solved alone....sometimes we have to step back to see the big picture!

...which may include disinformation.

I went back through my notes (i didn't forget the milk), I've been sitting on this material since November then Craig distracted me from this brucey Mosaic (very capitalization of that last word  ;) ). Subsequent to Craig and what I found prior to his emergence, I wrote about Peter Todd, Transit, David Birch, Nullc and a few others. The transit article is likely one of the most important clues as that transit network is very similar to the bitcon network laid out in the white paper (note: you have to buy the article if you don't have access another way, but maybe nullc still has it - or maybe Andreas S or Mssrs. Birch and Chaum have copies to share).  I've written about Zooko concurrently with all of the other folks mentioned above - I keep coming back to him for some reason (he worked with both Chaum and Wei Dai at various points I believe). Ultimately, I'll need to get grave markers for my dead theories one day. Was that another clue?  :o

Tis.  Do the gear and the pendulum refer to themselves as "the clock?"  The most effective assassination is the assassination carried out by the assassin who is unaware that he is the assassinator.

There's something really spooky about this for some reason.

http://perplexcitycardcatalog.com/cardimages/1/256/image.png

Not sure about spooky, not even sure this puzzle is more than a fancy hunt the Wumpus game. Besides, cjmoles is known for trying to play on the Felt. I'm just not that in to poker.

>not even sure this puzzle is more than a fancy hunt the Wumpus game.
This would make a great epitaph :)

That exact spot in that picture has been found....it's in France.

yes!!
There it is

https://soundcloud.com/listentothispodcast/findsatoshi

Maybe we should download it

I wouldn't be mad.

Kaysersberg, Alsace, France.

https://findsatoshi.wordpress.com/the-facts/

Ahem . . . Zooko . . . again  ;)

https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/

Probably . . .

Who is this guy? are you saying this guy is satoshi or something? what's the backstory? Also I think that no matter how much you ask, whoever satoshi is will admit being satoshi.

very true. satoshi would even just say nothing if asked if he is the real satoshi. but turned to somewhere else.
and i mean the guy had created a valuable invention that threatens banks and governments. he should shouldn't come out else bitcoin bag holders are doomed.  ;D

This is why it's a waste of time. Sure, gmaxwell could be satoshi, but so could be a couple other devs, ultimately it doesn't really matter since no one of them will ever admit it since they are too smart and know it would be a disaster saying it.

Looking at his face i can call him Satoshi Nakamoto, but any proofs that this guy and Satoshi is really one person. People like to call someone a Satoshi ;D

I doubt this game is a coincidence, but it's probably like the calculus, discovered at the same time in different places; I guess lots of people had been working on these problems. When an idea's ready to be born, it will squeeze its way into the world any which way it can.

https://soundcloud.com/listentothispodcast/findsatoshi

There are tons of people named Satoshi.  Don't lose the forest for the trees.

 I retract the inference or suggestion that nullc = midnightmagic.  Further research on the matter at the Tahoe site has led me a different direction.  

Example: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.tahoe.devel/1365

That is true....But, how many people are named Satoshi who are also involved with groups researching technology to create distributed ledgers associated with brute forcing cryptographically hashed data, which coincidentally, went dark mid-stream just prior to the publication of the original bitcoin white paper?  

Absolutely...that is basically how it happened.  However, in this case, research was covertly being conducted to take advantage of the wisdom of the masses without the masses knowing that they were contributing to a larger project.  So, what appeared to be a game was really a concerted effort to mine "brain power" to solve contemporary problems associated with distributed networking.  It's no coincidence that the game was ended before the last solvable puzzle was completed.  Nor is it a coincidence that the last solvable puzzle was card #256 (allusion to a newly standardized 256 bit hashing algorithm?) which was captioned, "find me" and who's clue was, "I am Satoshi!"

Do you mean to say that this game contained the actual cryptographic problems needed to be solved for Bitcoin? And that they were solved this way? What cards were they? ???

I just meant that Satoshi was probably familiar with the game.

Yes....

 http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14122

Read thru that thread....realize, though, that forum was just one of many venues where this problem was being worked out.  Bitcoin hadn't been created yet....but this game "perplexcity" went dark right in the middle of solving card 251, just prior to the publication of the original white paper.....many references to the development of the ledger has been pruned, decommissioned, or diluted....the development of the ledger system made a brute force attempt more efficient because it distributed a record of the eliminated attempts and allowed a client to access and append to the ledger across the network. ..<----Turn that function around and there's part of the solution to the double spend problem which plagued many decentralized digital cash proposals....

True, if you could read minds, predict the future or be 100% sure of an outcome. You can do neither (I think). So I would say ask/research away  :D

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/55687188.jpg.

My friend I must admit that your explanation sounds so fascinating.
I do not believe that those coincidences are not connected, they simply are. The #256 card as the algorithm is simply mindblowing.
The timing tells more than it says, definitely

You're right and by revealing himself, he is just making his life into risk because government will surely catch him and kill him for threatening the greedy lifestyle of the government.

To reply to non sensical posts, after a thread was considered over is the thing we hate the most. You have probably not read anything before that and you decided to write this simplistic statement to raise your post count.
thanks  ::)