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Bringing this kid to Rome... At all costs and it ain't a few judeans barbarians who could have stop Pilate... If you doubt what I just wrote it's because you don't understand anything. What does the Quran reports on those miracles... Good question...

Ps if you wanna see a miracle watch a bird fly and remeber it came in an egg ;-) like the alligator! (And the fish too).

Jesus did magical tricks and illusions, not miracles.

You have first to understand Jesus's mission.
He came to save not himself but all humankind.
So, his goal never was to save only himself.
In fact, his victory was spiritual, not external.
We celebrate his resurrection, not death.

It's a pity the Apostles never thought to hire James Randi the way the Pharaoh did when Moses tried to fool him with his conjuring acts; Christianity might never have happened. :D

he did not suppress what will happen and he did not planned to hide from those roman soldiers and pilate because it is a part of his mission to die on cross and suffer just to save those sinners including us we are all sinners, admit it .

he didn't come to earth to destroy the romans and establish an earthly kingdom, read the damn bible

What you don't understand is that the mission of Pilate was fucking clear. Official Manager of Rome in Barabarian country called Judea. now the guy had death and life power on anyone there. And you would make me believe that a guy who could do miracles wouldn't catch his attention? And that bringing him to Rome would be the pinnacle of his career? LoL... Understand the mission of Pilate.

Once you can insert a lie in the mind of a human aka split him from his observation of the Creation of God you can make him believe what ever (included plants are drugs and must be illegal and genetically modified plant are safe and legal) what a joke!

However, God, through his prophets and the record in the Old Testament, essentially said that Jesus would be crucified outside of Jerusalem... not in Rome. God's Word stands, not the desires of Roman officials. So, the miracle - the fulfillment of His Word -  was done by God.

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Quotes please 0 ref in Torah to my knowledge.

Torah is first 5 books. Tanakh is Old Testament. Talmud is Hebrew priest corruption done mostly while in captivity in Babylon. Search on Bible prophecy.

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Okay Torah + tanakh stay... Talmud is terrorism no doubt... So still no quotes...

I guess you just don't understand the problem of determinism and irrationality.
Jesus was meant to die. That was the purpose of his life on Earth.
So Pilate couldn't actually do much about it.
And by irrationality I mean that if Pilate was an ideal human being always analyzing his actions and being absolutely rational, maybe, he wouldn't have allowed assasination. But humans can't be always that rational. He could've thought about something else all of a sudden or something and let the things go the way they had to go

Interestingly most issues advanced by Jesus reflect the big controversies in the evolution of Roman laws... How coincidental;-).

What you don't get is that God is way way way way way infinity awesome that the human collective mind can grasp... One of the smartest human being mr Oppenheimer used a text speaking about God being a thousand sun exploding... Just to give the rational mind an idea. No one can grasp what a sun exploding means. Rational impossiblity what ever lie a scholar of the void will use what ever equation or math... He can't.

So to resume of the guy called Jesus could really do miracle the rabbis would have recognize him as the expected messahia and the Roman manager would have done everything to bring him back to Rome, but arguably if he was capable of miracles Rome couldn't have done anything.

And finally what is the real problem that Christianity has with Islam is that the Quoran is very clear: God is the greatest.

No quotes. Find all the quotes you want by searching on Bible prophecy.

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One of the miracles Jesus did was to keep the Romans from taking Him to Rome, if that's what they wanted to do. His rising from the dead is another miracle. His ascension into Heaven right in front of his disciples is another. But all the healing miracles that He did throughout His ministry life (3 years) are evidence that He is God.



God is the Greatest. Christianity says the same thing. God is made up of 3 Individuals that are each all God, are all God when any two of them are together, and are all God when all three of them are together. They are 3 distinct Beings that are each individually the Great God, yet there is only One God.

There are no quotes where it says this as succinctly as I did. You have to piece it together from many places in the Bible.

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Pilate: can you do miracles?
Jesus: no
Pilate: okay

The end.

You have no quotes... It looks more and more plausible that in the Quoran there are no miracles by Jesus...

The Bible N.T. is full of quotes to the effect that Jesus did miracles. And not only that, but He gave His disciples the ability to do miracles, as well. You can find copies of the Bible in many different languages (including Russian) at http://www.biblegateway.com/.

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Didn't he already knew that all this thing will going to happen, you know cause he's god-knowing right. So all things like people trying to kill other is already plan by your god.

BADecker, you have no quotes. Show me a miracle said Pilate...

"Bible."  Better?    8)

No... You are trying to swallow the fish... It will not work. You advanced a lot of things there and you failed to follow up. It's regurgitation...

What's the matter? Too scared to do a little research? Does your mommy wipe your nose and your behind, too?

Every time somebody comes along who wants quotes from the Bible, and I tell them to go and search the Bible on the Internet... what am I supposed to do, paste the text of the Bible into Bitcointalk? just because you ask me to do it?

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No just that you have no sources to what you advance. Pilate would never ever have tolerated a guy (or guys) able to do miracle to be harassed by barbarians.

That's the real fact, none understand it in the right way. If everyone understands the value behind resurrection such questions won't get emerged. He himself sacrificed for our sins.

If you wanna see a miracle...
It is a miracle that so many people believe in the Earth's major religions.
Do good Buddhists get sent to the "Lake Of Fire", since they didn't accept Jesus?

Of course. They could spend a lifetime helping others and making the world a better place. But afraid if there's no Jesus belief then into the old burning lake they go for eternity of unthinkable pain.

In contrast a person could spend a lifetime raping, stealing, killing, but 10 minutes before their death if they embraced Jesus for forgiveness up they would float up into the loving infinity of heaven.

Such a loving just god, who really sat down and thought it through properly, not at all flawed.  ::)

The thing is, most people who live a bad life, won't sit down in the last 10 minutes and embrace Jesus. That's part of the reason you and others are being shown the truth about God, so that even though you formally deny God, doubts about the truth of your denial are being placed into your mind. Then, if you are given a last 10 minutes, you just might turn and repent and be saved. But God knows when you are faking.

This life is gone for everybody in less than 100 years, usually. So who cares about their forgiveness? Let it be done, so that at least some of them can have eternal life. Eternal life is what is important. God thought it out well. And because of how great He is, it took Him less than 1 second to think it out well.

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You got it, man. Continue in your faith. Read the Bible more and more. Never give up on it.

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what is written in the bible ,, it is done, and who is Pilate compared to Jesus, I know that Pilate did not know what they doing, they didn't known what God's plan to humanity, even we.

nice ancient david blane. I thought he is an alien? according to ancient aliens

Lol, I agree and that's how most of relitards think and they still accept it. If ever a guy killed your mother and made a salvation they can still go to heaven that's what relitards says. So if you can do all evil things you can and just make a salvation before reaching your death.

I think that's reason why relitards thinks atheist are cruel, they reflect it with how they think that if there's no god they can do things they want and they can't behave on their own thinking.

So, is it better to go away from people and become a completely recluse hermit, just so that you don't kill people accidentally, a little bit, by affecting them in a slightly bad way, even though you may not mean to do so, but co it completely by accident?

Or is it better to remain among people so that you can benefit them to keep them alive and happy, if only by imparting some good words that cheer them up now and again?

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It's very sad fact that Pilate didn't want to kill Jesus and tried everything in his power to avoid it.
Even his wife send him message and ask him not to kill Jesus.
Pilate even offered to Jews to choose between Jesus and thief, who will be liberated and who will bi killed, with hope that Jews will choose Jesus.
It didn't happen because Jew's priests was very afraid of Jesus and really pushed very hard Pi9late to kill him, even manipulated people in Jerusalem to demand Jesus's death.
If all people wanted his death, what Jesus could do?
Save his life but escape from Israel and forget his mission?
His only choice was to sacrifice his life and continue his mission from spiritual world, and bring spiritual salvation top believers.
 

you ever seen God?

Who seen God? angels? Devil?

All this does not make sense, if someone says that Jesus was destined to die, then the people are destined to be poor and others are meant to be rich, God writes the destiny of people? that God must be bad.

I do not believe what people have written in the Bible and the Koran.

Already spent many years and even today do not have people who died and resurrected to say that there is heaven, it would be easier God show us a miracle for people to believe in it, do not tell me that God does not like to be tempted.

People make their choices, make the best of themselves, some have more opportunities than others, but do not believe it has anything supernatural in people's lives.

I think exactly the same,that Jesus whas just a smart man who know what to say and when do it,making tricks  and illusions:
that was the reason the bible was created,everybody thought that he is really a son of god cause he can make impossible things... but in modern days nobody says that a magician is a child of god lol

No. This is not true. How can a mere magician cause such a stirring in the hearts and minds of people that Christianity is over a billion people after 2,000 years for it to be destroyed?

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Easy when they have been deceived into believing he wasn't a magician.

His enterainment career was probably going smoothly until his tragic Houdini style "escape whilst nailed to a cross" stunt went badly wrong.

It didn't go wrong. He arose from the dead on the third day.    8)

According to some of the gospels. They can't even agree on that

You don't get my point... If pilate believed the miracles to be true, not a single Jews or all of them together could oppose Pilate. For him those locals were barbarians unable to understand civilization... This is the key aspect of my point. So if Pilate was proof positive of a miracle he would have bring this guy alive, and if it meant killing and or enslaving everyone that opposed his will, so be it, without a sorry. However as HIS reputation was on the line he could not bring an imposter or a fake back home. This would have had worst consquences for him than to exterminate everything single beings in those occupied territories.


you still use Roman letters... When a powerful structured empire decide to adopt a faith as its official religion everything changes. No divine acts necessary. Stoicism is very close to most christan values... Understand the legal context at the time and you will see how this religion was perceived as necessary at the time of its implementation.

I am not required to.


Empires decide nothing. People make decisions.


Christian people have many values. Not all of them are the same. Not all of them are Christian all the time.

True Christian values are what the Bible teaches... God's love for fallen mankind, and His method of salvation for us. Obedience to commandments is a method that allows His salvation to work through the nations.



Yes, but it was first perceived as necessary by God. Then, God working through governmental people, has brought it to the world.

Almost every nation in the world has had the opportunity to accept it, now. There are only a few tribes left in the jungles, that have not had the chance to hear about it (Christianity) yet, because of their remoteness. Once they have received the opportunity, there will be nothing left that has to be fulfilled. Then the end will come.

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Tribe people have their own God, they wouldn't be interested in your silly bible one.
Spoiler alert: Jesus isn't returning.

The religious elite have taken advantage of you and spoonfed you lies. Wake up!

Historically, it is proved that Jesus is not no miracle worker . Normal personality, which set the highest power . His miracles - false and framed. There are many facts that he was the son of the king , and that he was married and more. But many Vatican hides .

Pilate's wife warned him not to have anything to do with Jesus' prosecution because she had a bad dream about Jesus. So Pilate washed his hands in front of the Jews to show he has no hand in Jesus' death.

I think both Pilate and Mrs Pilate had not heard about Jesus because he only worked for three years. Pilate was questioning Jesus which means he didn't know who Jesus was, if he did, he would not have been questioning him. You don't ask people you know to introduce themselves all over again.