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Title: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 14, 2013, 05:37:14 PM
I currently have no btc to give, But at least ill put your name in my sig  ::)

I wanted to know how to extract Caffeine from tea.

I know how to extract piperene from black pepper

Also what other plants/herbs can I extract chemicals from and what chemicals are they

Thanks!


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: paysafecardbitcoin on March 14, 2013, 06:02:08 PM
better buy decaffeinated tea?


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 14, 2013, 06:08:53 PM
No im trying to extract caffeine just for fun and to have it

better buy decaffeinated tea?


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: DarkHyudrA on March 14, 2013, 06:14:31 PM
Move to Off-Topic maybe?


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 14, 2013, 06:15:40 PM
I put it here because it kinda is a service :P

Move to Off-Topic maybe?


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: mintymark on March 14, 2013, 06:18:06 PM
I think you'll find that its normally done using liquified carbon dioxide as a solvent, under pressure.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: tkbx on March 14, 2013, 06:23:10 PM
I think they usually neutralize the caffeine and turn it into some other substance rather than actually removing it. If you really want caffeine, you can buy powder online, or get some NoDoz (which is mostly corn starch and sugar, but contains caffeine). There is a way to extract the caffeine from NoDoz, however: http://www.instructables.com/id/Extracting-almost-pure-Caffeine-from-Caffeine-Pi/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Extracting-almost-pure-Caffeine-from-Caffeine-Pi/)


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: DarkHyudrA on March 14, 2013, 06:26:58 PM
I put it here because it kinda is a service :P

Move to Off-Topic maybe?

The service to request a service not related to Bitcoin.
Good Try


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ProfMac on March 14, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
No im trying to extract caffeine just for fun and to have it

better buy decaffeinated tea?

This is a standard lab for 1st semester organic chemistry.  Go to your local college and buy a copy of "Pavia."

An ordinary teabag will yield between 0 and 10 mg of caffeine, depending on your skill.  I think the Pavia book uses dichloromethane in one of the steps, and this should be changed to a greener solvent.

I suspect it would be just as easy in a home environment to put the tea into an evacuated home canning jar, and deposit the caffein on the lid using dry ice to cool the lid.  I have not, however, attempted this.



Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 14, 2013, 07:14:51 PM
where do i get dichloromethane?

No im trying to extract caffeine just for fun and to have it

better buy decaffeinated tea?

This is a standard lab for 1st semester organic chemistry.  Go to your local college and buy a copy of "Pava."

An ordinary teabag will yield between 0 and 10 mg of caffeine, depending on your skill.  I think the Pava book uses dichloromethane in one of the steps, and this should be changed to a greener solvent.

I suspect it would be just as easy in a home environment to put the tea into an evacuated home canning jar, and deposit the caffein on the lid using dry ice to cool the lid.  I have not, however, attempted this.




Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ProfMac on March 14, 2013, 07:23:10 PM
where do i get dichloromethane?


This should be changed to a greener solvent.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 14, 2013, 07:26:11 PM
So what do you recommend professor :)

where do i get dichloromethane?


This should be changed to a greener solvent.



Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: greyhawk on March 14, 2013, 08:15:16 PM
Take tea leaves, place in hot water, wait a couple of minutes, remove tea leaves. You know have hot water full of caffeine.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ProfMac on March 14, 2013, 08:20:06 PM
Take tea leaves, place in hot water, wait a couple of minutes, remove tea leaves. You know have hot water full of caffeine.

But you want to put baking soda into the extract to get all of the caffeine out.  The tea will not taste good, but the goal is to get the caffeine, not drink the tea.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: Jenger on March 14, 2013, 09:29:41 PM
caffine pills? cocaine?


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ProfMac on March 14, 2013, 09:36:19 PM
caffine pills? cocaine?

Just like developing your own film is more expensive than taking it to the photoshop, extracting your own caffeine is more expensive than just buying it.  When I have 30 students do this extraction, it probably takes $100 in consumables, and $500 or more in lab space, plus 150 hours of (their) labor.  The total yield for the entire class is probably only 300 mg.

If I count their labor at $8/hr, the cost per gram would come out to be about $6,000 / gram.  I am pretty sure you could get paid to remove bucket fulls of it from any commercial coffee producer.



Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 14, 2013, 10:16:35 PM
So all I do is get the tea boil it for a few mins put baking soda and dry? thats it?

caffine pills? cocaine?

Just like developing your own film is more expensive than taking it to the photoshop, extracting your own caffeine is more expensive than just buying it.  When I have 30 students do this extraction, it probably takes $100 in consumables, and $500 or more in lab space, plus 150 hours of (their) labor.  The total yield for the entire class is probably only 300 mg.

If I count their labor at $8/hr, the cost per gram would come out to be about $6,000 / gram.  I am pretty sure you could get paid to remove bucket fulls of it from any commercial coffee producer.




Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 14, 2013, 11:06:23 PM
Im giving you .05 BTC Whats your address

caffine pills? cocaine?

Just like developing your own film is more expensive than taking it to the photoshop, extracting your own caffeine is more expensive than just buying it.  When I have 30 students do this extraction, it probably takes $100 in consumables, and $500 or more in lab space, plus 150 hours of (their) labor.  The total yield for the entire class is probably only 300 mg.

If I count their labor at $8/hr, the cost per gram would come out to be about $6,000 / gram.  I am pretty sure you could get paid to remove bucket fulls of it from any commercial coffee producer.




Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ProfMac on March 15, 2013, 12:40:40 AM
So all I do is get the tea boil it for a few mins put baking soda and dry? thats it?

caffine pills? cocaine?

Just like developing your own film is more expensive than taking it to the photoshop, extracting your own caffeine is more expensive than just buying it.  When I have 30 students do this extraction, it probably takes $100 in consumables, and $500 or more in lab space, plus 150 hours of (their) labor.  The total yield for the entire class is probably only 300 mg.

If I count their labor at $8/hr, the cost per gram would come out to be about $6,000 / gram.  I am pretty sure you could get paid to remove bucket fulls of it from any commercial coffee producer.



No.  There will be lots of tannins, the brown colors.  There will be much more of them than caffeine.  Google has some of the Pavia book, but a couple of pages are missing.  Any nearby college library should have a copy of this book.

http://books.google.com/books?id=S8HNyKfaz20C&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=organic+lab+extract+caffeine+from+tea&source=bl&ots=cr1apAfsE1&sig=GD24h5iLQcC2EOXfH65gnwoISl0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YG1CUffPBojaygGJmYCwCA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=organic%20lab%20extract%20caffeine%20from%20tea&f=false



Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: bb113 on March 15, 2013, 12:45:12 AM
IIRC erowid has a bunch of strategies for extracting alkaloids.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: vdragon on March 15, 2013, 12:48:32 AM
http://amrita.vlab.co.in/?sub=3&brch=64&sim=169&cnt=1

 I am not much of a chemist :)


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 15, 2013, 01:38:17 AM
Too many chemicals :( Im trying to do it with simple chems like alcohol ect

http://amrita.vlab.co.in/?sub=3&brch=64&sim=169&cnt=1

 I am not much of a chemist :)


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ProfMac on March 15, 2013, 02:01:31 AM
Too many chemicals :( Im trying to do it with simple chems like alcohol ect

http://amrita.vlab.co.in/?sub=3&brch=64&sim=169&cnt=1

 I am not much of a chemist :)

The secret is, chemists who know what they are doing focus a lot of expertise and effort to do it as simply as it can be done, and still work.
If you try to do it simpler than a consultant tells you to, something will go very wrong.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 15, 2013, 02:20:36 AM
But can you give me the instructions on what to do please? In a greener way like you said baking soda?

Too many chemicals :( Im trying to do it with simple chems like alcohol ect

http://amrita.vlab.co.in/?sub=3&brch=64&sim=169&cnt=1

 I am not much of a chemist :)

The secret is, chemists who know what they are doing focus a lot of expertise and effort to do it as simply as it can be done, and still work.
If you try to do it simpler than a consultant tells you to, something will go very wrong.



Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: greyhawk on March 15, 2013, 11:43:01 AM
Yeah, at this point the question is really what's your intention with that extraction. Because really you'd have to go ahead and get rid of tannin and other polyphenols and all that other phytopharmaceutical gunk in there to arrive at a few mgs of reasonably "pure" levels of caffeine for hours of work.

At the same time you can just go get yourself a kilogram bucket of pharmaceutical grade pure caffeine synthesized from urea for 40 bucks on ebay.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 15, 2013, 01:19:10 PM
IT doesnt need to be pure :)

Yeah, at this point the question is really what's your intention with that extraction. Because really you'd have to go ahead and get rid of tannin and other polyphenols and all that other phytopharmaceutical gunk in there to arrive at a few mgs of reasonably "pure" levels of caffeine for hours of work.

At the same time you can just go get yourself a kilogram bucket of pharmaceutical grade pure caffeine synthesized from urea for 40 bucks on ebay.


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: ironcross360 on March 15, 2013, 02:47:52 PM
so no instructions


Title: Re: How to extract Caffeine from TEA ect?
Post by: vdragon on March 15, 2013, 11:08:51 PM
Well this aint exactly a chemistry oriented forum. If you ask about welding, cutting plastic and wood, making them into one, using zipties :P - this is the place