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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: Chris_Coin on July 01, 2016, 03:05:30 AM



Title: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Chris_Coin on July 01, 2016, 03:05:30 AM
At the top of primedice, it says that players have won 750.57 btc in the past 24 hours, okay at first thought it doesn't seem like a lie due to them being the number 1 casino.

But I noticed something weird, being a frequent player at primedice, and sometimes a high roller, I noticed that this number was always above the high roller place, so I'd sometimes look at it. It never changed.

I monitored this for 24 hours to see if there was any changes, and to my surprise, no changes.

I'm sure when I post this, there may be some changes, but I think not for a while, or until Stunna or someone else sees the post.

Check yourself:
https://i.imgur.com/RmgoS4I.png
https://i.imgur.com/vF4rnSa.png


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure there's another reason than faking stats
Post by: Lutpin on July 01, 2016, 03:09:55 AM
I think it's rather some performance related thing, not closely monitoring either their thread or their site,
but I recall them removing some automatically updating numbers because they slowed down the server/site too much (costs vs. benefit).

Either that, or maybe the calculation simply timed out (hence a bug in some way).
I don't think however there's any malicious intentions behind it, they really don't need to fake stats, they're the most popular (or amongst the most popular ones) anyway.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: TwitchySeal on July 01, 2016, 03:16:36 AM
Numbers seem reasonable to me.

I think OP thinks "won" means they cashed out and left/profit.

If I make 100 1BTC bets at 50% and win 50 of them , I "won" 50BTC but I have the same amount I started with.

750BTC won means they probably accepted ~1500BTC in total wagers.

They are that big no?  Maybe I'm wrong. But I am 90 percent sure primedice is not faking their stats.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Superhitech on July 01, 2016, 03:58:16 AM
Numbers seem reasonable to me.

I think OP thinks "won" means they cashed out and left/profit.

If I make 100 1BTC bets at 50% and win 50 of them , I "won" 50BTC but I have the same amount I started with.

750BTC won means they probably accepted ~1500BTC in total wagers.

They are that big no?  Maybe I'm wrong. But I am 90 percent sure primedice is not faking their stats.

The thing is, the number hasn't changed for a long time. It's possible that they are faking their stats, but this seems very unlikely as they are very popular and trustworthy, and everyone knows that people bet a lot of money on PrimeDice, so there is no reason to fake stats. Probably a technical error, but even if not, I don't think we should worry about it too much as PrimeDice is still one of the most trusted bitcoin gambling sites.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: ultrloa on July 01, 2016, 04:23:33 AM
Numbers seem reasonable to me.

I think OP thinks "won" means they cashed out and left/profit.

If I make 100 1BTC bets at 50% and win 50 of them , I "won" 50BTC but I have the same amount I started with.

750BTC won means they probably accepted ~1500BTC in total wagers.

They are that big no?  Maybe I'm wrong. But I am 90 percent sure primedice is not faking their stats.

The thing is, the number hasn't changed for a long time. It's possible that they are faking their stats, but this seems very unlikely as they are very popular and trustworthy, and everyone knows that people bet a lot of money on PrimeDice, so there is no reason to fake stats. Probably a technical error, but even if not, I don't think we should worry about it too much as PrimeDice is still one of the most trusted bitcoin gambling sites.

I dont think primedice would do that and i know primedice is probably fair site thats why they are the most famous gambling site existing online maybe OP calculating the win/loss stats happen when betting and it turns that he lose when he bet big money in PD.

theres no need for them to cheat theyre earning big moneys in their site and also theyre giving big moneys as giveaways to this community.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Lutpin on July 01, 2016, 04:27:33 AM
I dont think primedice would do that and i know primedice is probably fair site thats why they are the most famous gambling site existing online
Thanks for the laugh, and sorry, but it's provably fair (http://provablyfair.org/) ;)


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: ultrloa on July 01, 2016, 04:39:19 AM
 
I dont think primedice would do that and i know primedice is probably fair site thats why they are the most famous gambling site existing online
Thanks for the laugh, and sorry, but it's provably fair (http://provablyfair.org/) ;)


 ;D atleast i made you laugh for that simple error happens there haha :D


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: pooya87 on July 01, 2016, 04:49:19 AM
750BTC ish sounds right to me for primedice and it is just stats, who cares about that as long as their system is fair for your bets. but also it is not unheard of for a gambling site to fake some numbers to show a bigger number (seriously doubt it is the case about primedice) also TwitchySeal pointed out it is just the wins not the profit of the players.

~~ the number hasn't changed for a long time. It's possible that they are faking their stats, ~~~

where is this number anyways? it may be updated with delayed intervals


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Game_Seller on July 01, 2016, 05:00:29 AM
Very easy to fake stats on private bankrolls and yeah stats on pd been faked for many a long time. Doesn't mean they aren't trustworthy just have a big épéen for being number 1 on stat sites. Oh well its just old style marketing I guess.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: dothebeats on July 01, 2016, 05:15:01 AM
Primedice may be faking stats, but again it's just stats or rather, as the above post of me said, it's just their marketing style. Why hasn't it changed is maybe it's intentional to attract more players in the site. PD and Stunna have proven many times that they should be trusted.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: ralle14 on July 01, 2016, 07:24:45 AM
Both counters still on the same number from op's screenshots maybe there's an error which made the counter stopped but you could always report it on their support and might even get paid for it.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Chris_Coin on July 02, 2016, 12:13:51 AM
Interesting enough, they are still the same from when I posted this.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Stunna on July 02, 2016, 12:37:22 AM
Interesting enough, they are still the same from when I posted this.

Thanks for pointing this out, for some reason it stopped tracking both bets past 24 hours and wagered past 24 hours

https://dicesites.com/graphs   We actually had a significantly higher volume than that the past few days, so you could accuse us of faking our stats to be less than half as much than they actually are ;) . Primedice is widely known as the most popular bitcoin gaming site, and I'm certain it services more users than any other bitcoin casino.

New site launches in a few hours, will be resolved for that.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: cryptohustla on July 02, 2016, 07:04:51 AM
At the top of primedice, it says that players have won 750.57 btc in the past 24 hours, okay at first thought it doesn't seem like a lie due to them being the number 1 casino.

But I noticed something weird, being a frequent player at primedice, and sometimes a high roller, I noticed that this number was always above the high roller place, so I'd sometimes look at it. It never changed.

I monitored this for 24 hours to see if there was any changes, and to my surprise, no changes.

I'm sure when I post this, there may be some changes, but I think not for a while, or until Stunna or someone else sees the post.

Check yourself:
https://i.imgur.com/RmgoS4I.png
https://i.imgur.com/vF4rnSa.png

maybe the status updates every 24 hours and its coincidence that the status it came up where just the same? i dont know but why would they fake their stats anyway?


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: TwitchySeal on July 02, 2016, 07:12:27 AM
Maybe op should lock stupid thread.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: philiveyjr on July 02, 2016, 07:37:57 AM
While I don't care about the stats as long as its provably fair. But while the site has been down for some time today I do see the bet counter counting up. Don't think anyone is able to access the site though. As for stats, I am sure 90% of websites who show stats fake it to show action on their sites. A lot of them just run bots to show activity.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: ndnh on July 02, 2016, 07:49:36 AM
At the top of primedice, it says that players have won 750.57 btc in the past 24 hours, okay at first thought it doesn't seem like a lie due to them being the number 1 casino.

LOL I am sure I have seen it go more than 10x that. I am 100% sure PD never faked anything.

You can also check https://pd3.co/ for highroller stats.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Lutpin on July 02, 2016, 08:18:17 AM
I am 100% sure PD never faked anything.
I've got proof of primedice faking stuff in this very thread.
http://archive.is/x6CR2#10%
"July 1st everything changes..."
But nothing changed, what a misleading ad.

(OK, jokes beside, OP, you've got your answer [and thanks] from stunna, close this thread already... ::) )



maybe the status updates every 24 hours and its coincidence that the status it came up where just the same? i dont know but why would they fake their stats anyway?
Maybe read the thread before commenting. You would have found the answer right there.

If PD4 launches a day late, I make some easy coin
Congratulations.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: maxhor on July 02, 2016, 08:24:02 AM
I am also 100% sure Primedice is legit site and nothing fake there because there are so many option to verify about wagered amount and bet result, I think op has some kind of confusion to see the live counter and stats there as Stunna said dicesites.com is best site to verify everything.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: cryptohustla on July 02, 2016, 12:39:00 PM
maybe the status updates every 24 hours and its coincidence that the status it came up where just the same? i dont know but why would they fake their stats anyway?
Maybe read the thread before commenting. You would have found the answer right there.

thats why i asked cause i didnt find the reason ...


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: Barbut on July 02, 2016, 12:58:31 PM
We know how easy can someone make this pictures, primedice is here for a long time, why would they do something like that? Now when they have so many giveaways, here and on Facebook, and some signature campaign.
I don't believe in this faking stats, this is just one more newbie with first thread about son scam. I need much more evidence's to be convinced in something like this.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: bithasher on July 02, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
If you have experienced long loosing streak it doesn't mean Primedice is rigged or is not fair.There is well known industry recognized provably fair system on what I do trust to make any site fair.Primedice is one of the top class dice site working and being live for long time.It all depends on your luck in gambling keep in mind of loosing at first then it will not hurt much.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: TwitchySeal on July 02, 2016, 02:56:09 PM
This thread has that magical quality that attracts signature sluts like a magnet. 

I predict over 200 posts by July 18th of 2-3 sentence vague "its not rigged" "it might be rigged" nonsense posts mostly by users being paid by a gambling site.  Advanced versions of the yobit guys.

Example:

If you have experienced long loosing streak it doesn't mean Primedice is rigged or is not fair.There is well known industry recognized provably fair system on what I do trust to make any site fair.Primedice is one of the top class dice site working and being live for long time.It all depends on your luck in gambling keep in mind of loosing at first then it will not hurt much.

We know how easy can someone make this pictures, primedice is here for a long time, why would they do something like that? Now when they have so many giveaways, here and on Facebook, and some signature campaign.
I don't believe in this faking stats, this is just one more newbie with first thread about son scam. I need much more evidence's to be convinced in something like this.


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: hawk1987 on July 02, 2016, 03:35:55 PM
I m 100% sure :)


Title: Re: I'm 90 percent sure primedice is faking stats
Post by: wikenpp on July 02, 2016, 03:59:22 PM
I am also 100% sure Primedice is legit site and nothing fake there because there are so many option to verify about wagered amount and bet result, I think op has some kind of confusion to see the live counter and stats there as Stunna said dicesites.com is best site to verify everything.

The proof is not real proof. My first thought was on way that a site like prime dice needs to lie about their statistics. But if you got solid proof then i would believe you.
Fortunately you haven't which makes them still a reliable and trustworthy casino. So without good proof, their are not lying about their statistics.