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Title: The end of human history
Post by: kryptqnick on July 01, 2016, 08:04:49 AM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Jet Cash on July 01, 2016, 08:12:28 AM
History will end because everybody ignores it. :)


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: zojav on July 01, 2016, 08:35:50 AM
Over the next 400 years, we will replace all our biologic parts with technology.
Then spend 50,000 years roaming the galaxy in our borg stage.
Finally settling down to create billions of simulated universes. Filled with evolving biological goo.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: kryptqnick on July 01, 2016, 08:46:38 AM
Over the next 400 years, we will replace all our biologic parts with technology.
Then spend 50,000 years roaming the galaxy in our borg stage.
Finally settling down to create billions of simulated universes. Filled with evolving biological goo.
Whoah, somebody seems to be a transhumanist here) and from were did you get these specific numbers of years?


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: zojav on July 01, 2016, 09:07:30 AM
Transhumanists can magically pull numbers from their asses. Seriously though, since becoming convinced that were part of a simulated universe, i`ve been looking for a "natural" explanation for it


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 01, 2016, 02:37:49 PM
There is no such thing as evolution. The few scientists who have found any real evidence of something that just possibly could prove to be evolution, are as nothing when compared with the number of "political scientists," screaming that evolution is real, when they have no backing for it.

Simple probability math shows that evolution is impossible - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.0. When you Internet search for proofs that evolution doesn't exist, you find so much more fact than you could ever find searching for proof that evolution DOES exist.

Cute evolution religion, though. Also, makes for neat sci-fi stories.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Daniel91 on July 01, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
There are many possibilities.
In the worse case scenario, humankind will be destroyed in nuclear war or because of climate changes.
in little better scenario, we will avoid such scenario and move to other planets.
In the best scenario, people will learn and practice peace and love and we will live as one big, global family.
If you are religious man, you probably believe that after we die, we will join our Creator, God, in the Heavenly kingdom.



Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 01, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
Jesus will return.
True believing Christians will go to Heaven.
Unbelievers will go to Hell.
The universe will be destroyed.
Heaven will be the New Heavens and the New Earth.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: gentlemand on July 01, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
Over the next 400 years, we will replace all our biologic parts with technology.
Then spend 50,000 years roaming the galaxy in our borg stage.
Finally settling down to create billions of simulated universes. Filled with evolving biological goo.

This sounds about right to me give or take a few centuries. The ones who'll continue the human story probably won't be technically human within a shockingly small number of generations.

I'm not so sure about roaming the galaxy. We'll probably stay put and disappear into artificial realities but they may need to be installed beyond Earth just for some latency.

There'll be a small minority who do go out and physically explore but they'll probably be regarded as as weird as non social media users are becoming.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Bit_Happy on July 01, 2016, 02:55:16 PM
Jesus will return.
True believing Christians will go to Heaven.
Unbelievers will go to Hell.
The universe will be destroyed.
Heaven will be the New Heavens and the New Earth.

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What happens to the good people who believe in other major religions, and is that result fair?


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 01, 2016, 03:00:35 PM
Jesus will return.
True believing Christians will go to Heaven.
Unbelievers will go to Hell.
The universe will be destroyed.
Heaven will be the New Heavens and the New Earth.

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What happens to the good people who believe in other major religions, and is that result fair?

If they do not accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, their "goodness" will only be relative goodness that we see in their lives here. God won't recognize any real goodness in them, because all goodness only comes through Jesus. God will take into account their relative goodness in the amount of punishment they receive in Hell.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Bit_Happy on July 01, 2016, 03:16:02 PM
Jesus will return.
True believing Christians will go to Heaven.
Unbelievers will go to Hell.
The universe will be destroyed.
Heaven will be the New Heavens and the New Earth.

8)

What happens to the good people who believe in other major religions, and is that result fair?

If they do not accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, their "goodness" will only be relative goodness that we see in their lives here. God won't recognize any real goodness in them, because all goodness only comes through Jesus. God will take into account their relative goodness in the amount of punishment they receive in Hell.

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Something here doesn't seem quite right:
Is it "fair" for people born into another religion to live an honest life and then be sent to Hell forever?


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: gentlemand on July 01, 2016, 03:16:59 PM
Yes. Now get your tight buns to the nearest church, lay face down in the crucifix position and hope for the best.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: carlisle1 on July 01, 2016, 03:24:10 PM
maybe it would happen not actually because of the war because i know after that would be a survivor maybe the extinction would be the reason because it means that it will be the end of the human race or the humans will became endangered . i think people would destroy themselves because of the technology . it is not possible to happen


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 01, 2016, 04:23:07 PM
maybe it would happen not actually because of the war because i know after that would be a survivor maybe the extinction would be the reason because it means that it will be the end of the human race or the humans will became endangered . i think people would destroy themselves because of the technology . it is not possible to happen

There will be no end to human history... only change. Jesus will return and take the believers to the New Heavens and New Earth to be there with God forever.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: RealityTruth on July 01, 2016, 06:39:31 PM
God will destroy the Earth after saving his own people from it. Before that there will be many wars, diseases, disasters and hunger.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Hirose UK on July 02, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?
of course it will. that's what we call "Kiamat"/" judgement day"

it would be destruction of all things in this universe, all people and creatures will die. that's the end of human history.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Seansky on July 02, 2016, 12:52:59 AM
There's an end of the human history that we know and other human history will be born. I think that the same thing that happened to the dinosaurs will happen again but we don't know when and that I think will be known as judgment day. Well we can be extinct if we don't discover how to live without sun because sun can run out of fuel a million year from now I think.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Cresciuanto on July 02, 2016, 06:30:12 AM
yes there will be the end of life. and the end of whole universe. but after we will be given another life after death. were first we have to give answer of our good and bad deeds. God will give us the reward for good deeds and punishment for our bad deeds. If we have done good deeds we will be awarded Heaven. and if we done bad deeds then we will be send in Hell for punishment.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: zojav on July 02, 2016, 08:11:27 AM
 Science has discovered exactly where in our brains religious or spiritual feelings are created. About 30% of people have a fundamentalist gene. When those people think about god, their bodies release the same chemicals as someone falling in love, or snorting coke gets. If i had that gene combo, i might live in fantasy land too.
 For someone like BADecker to twist this love-drug into a philosophy of exclusivity and hate, can only show he is dark to his core.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: designerusa on July 02, 2016, 08:21:31 AM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?

i think , humantiy will be vanished in 5 hundred years because of its destroying world's nature and natural sources.. there will be no life on earth over the 500 years.. Future generations will curse after us for mucking the earthup perfectly


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Jmild1 on July 02, 2016, 02:36:29 PM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?
Yes there's and even Universe has end. The earth will be destroyed by our red giant sun because it is continuously getting bigger and will melt all the environment in earth. If ever we successfully find a new habitat to live on it will still not make us live forever because there's an assurance that the universe will undergo heath death and that will make the universe death forever and also us.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: jupiterdianysa on July 02, 2016, 05:23:13 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 02, 2016, 08:50:14 PM
Science has discovered exactly where in our brains religious or spiritual feelings are created. About 30% of people have a fundamentalist gene. When those people think about god, their bodies release the same chemicals as someone falling in love, or snorting coke gets. If i had that gene combo, i might live in fantasy land too.
This is exactly why many knowledgeable people believe science theory to be fact. Theory like Big Bang and Evolution have been around for a long time. And nobody will ever be able to prove them to be fact. Actually, both have been proven so wrong that they should not even hold the status of theory.

On the other side, these people are so devoted to science theory fictions (Big Bang and Evolution) that they are unwilling to put together the science facts that show God exists - cause and effect, complex universe, universal entropy. This bears out what the Bible says in 2 Timothy 4:3:
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For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
So, by their obstinacy in believing lies, evil people help to prove that the Bible is truth.


For someone like BADecker to twist this love-drug into a philosophy of exclusivity and hate, can only show he is dark to his core.

For anyone to speak against BADecker who shows the truth, is simply another method people use to try to downplay God. They do it because they would rather live in their wickedness than turn to God and be saved.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: zojav on July 03, 2016, 07:12:03 AM
 Thanks BADecker, it cant be easy for you to climb down off that cross, remove the halo, and enlighten us with your wisdom.
 Since you have the power to dis-spell proven fact, (we can watch viruses evolve in real time.) im interested to know, do double recessives like you still believe the universe is under 8,000 yrs old.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: redsun114 on July 03, 2016, 09:04:55 AM
There are many possibilities.
In the worse case scenario, humankind will be destroyed in nuclear war or because of climate changes.
in little better scenario, we will avoid such scenario and move to other planets.
In the best scenario, people will learn and practice peace and love and we will live as one big, global family.
If you are religious man, you probably believe that after we die, we will join our Creator, God, in the Heavenly kingdom.


Worst case scenarios are most likely to happen than best case scenario. I fear that humankind will be wiped out if there is another world War and nuclear attacks will be launched creating the path to destruction. Climate change have very less probability of killing human race.

For the time all people living in unity is just a dream with this diversity among people it is hard to stay in peace.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: megalomania on July 03, 2016, 09:09:59 AM
I think everyone will die at the end regardless of anything. Entropy increases, order decreases. Eventually, there will be only noise without visible existence.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Gronthaing on July 04, 2016, 02:51:31 AM
Worst case scenarios are most likely to happen than best case scenario. I fear that humankind will be wiped out if there is another world War and nuclear attacks will be launched creating the path to destruction. Climate change have very less probability of killing human race.

Killing by itself no. But could help create conditions for it. Forcing mass migrations. Political instability. Crops failing in some regions. Conflicts over scarce resources. Etc. More likely for big wars to start with that happening in the background.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: bahubalis on July 04, 2016, 06:15:29 AM
I think everyone will die at the end regardless of anything. Entropy increases, order decreases. Eventually, there will be only noise without visible existence.

yap and more weird generation would sprung up.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: yonique on July 04, 2016, 06:50:31 AM
i can imagine more explicit clothes and daring kids.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Jmild1 on July 04, 2016, 07:06:55 AM
Worst case scenarios are most likely to happen than best case scenario. I fear that humankind will be wiped out if there is another world War and nuclear attacks will be launched creating the path to destruction. Climate change have very less probability of killing human race.

Killing by itself no. But could help create conditions for it. Forcing mass migrations. Political instability. Crops failing in some regions. Conflicts over scarce resources. Etc. More likely for big wars to start with that happening in the background.
I don't think war can wipe all human kind. Even the meteorites that hit the dinosaur era didn't wipe them all. You can still see dinosaur on today generation like chickens.

Humans are clever there are ways that they will do to keep their self alive or in short survival of the fittest.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: nururochac on July 04, 2016, 08:10:16 AM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?

i think , humantiy will be vanished in 5 hundred years because of its destroying world's nature and natural sources.. there will be no life on earth over the 500 years.. Future generations will curse after us for mucking the earthup perfectly
Humans are intelligent, let's say 95% of people has been wiped. Rich people will make a way to live and stay, if ever we reach how to make a living in other planet. They are the most likely who's going to live on it, the rich people.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: escrowboy on July 04, 2016, 08:36:46 AM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 04, 2016, 01:25:17 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

Of course, we know none of this. There are at least 3 major Big Bang theories that produce universes that are incompatible. There are at least 4 major Black Hole theories that are incompatible with any of the universes that would be produced by any of the Big Bang theories.

We don't really know if the Big Bang happened. But if it did, we don't really have a clue about how it worked.

We know that Black Holes exist because we can see the absence of light they produce, through the telescopes, etc. But we don't have a clue what they really are.

In addition, if there happened to be a great destruction on its way towards the solar system, propagated at the speed of light, we might have no clue of its approach until, suddenly, we were gone. And then we wouldn't have any clue about anything.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: tomahawk9 on July 04, 2016, 02:14:51 PM
"War of everyone against everyone" i feel like there's like a latent tension between nations around the world that could blow up any second (well, maybe years).


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Cyaren on July 04, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?
My opinions is that people will die simply because of population
It is already 9 billion humans on earth,and every day more is getting born.
Finally,we wont have enough lands do produce food and water for all of us,what can be a cause of conflict all over the world
We will see ;[


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 04, 2016, 05:07:46 PM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?
My opinions is that people will die simply because of population
It is already 9 billion humans on earth,and every day more is getting born.
Finally,we wont have enough lands do produce food and water for all of us,what can be a cause of conflict all over the world
We will see ;[

People have always died, even with almost no population at all. If people didn't die, the earth would have reached 9 billion ages ago.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: jupiterdianysa on July 04, 2016, 06:52:10 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 04, 2016, 11:12:03 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: jupiterdianysa on July 05, 2016, 12:28:14 AM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

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This is, however, unlikely to happen based on current knowledge, since we’ve recently discovered that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. But it doesnt mean impossible either.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 05, 2016, 05:37:50 AM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

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This is, however, unlikely to happen based on current knowledge, since we’ve recently discovered that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. But it doesnt mean impossible either.

Right, except for one thing. We have known for 2 or 3 decades that the universe seems to be expanding at an ever increasing rate. It isn't all that recent that we found this out.

But... the point is, why are so many people, especially people in NASA and the media, suggesting that Big Bang is fact, when the scientists who put the Big Bang model together in the first place, can't even agree on how it might work?

After all, just because several Big Bang models exist, doesn't mean that in the last 13 or 15 billion years that are suggested by BB, that something else didn't happen that the scientists simply haven't though up yet.

Let me say it this way. Before anybody thought up Big Bang, it wasn't there. So, sooner or later somebody will think up something else that will show us that BB is a stupid idea. Since this is bound to happen (if it hasn't happened already), why do people go around saying BB is fact when nobody was there to record it, and there are countless other things that could have happened that make BB look somewhat real when it isn't necessarily real?

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: cecelady on July 05, 2016, 06:34:27 AM
With the Greed for wealth and power. I would say war will be the reason for our extinction. If America will be persistent enough on manipulating the minds of the Arab Nations, I would say there will be no enough valid reason than this. Iraq , Afghanistan has been bombarded as they claim as revenge for the 9/11. Which resulted to non, but rather hatred. The ISIS is a group organized and backed by ISrael and America. Have you seen America and ISrael attacked by ISIS on their own land. If you could see most of the European countries and Arab Nations has been attacked. But US and Israel. I guess no, If you are the one behind all of these terrorism why would they attack their selves for the first place....... The ISIS thing is a whole Inside Job to promote hatred and violence against the Muslims around the world.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: apollofire on July 05, 2016, 06:38:10 AM
Lets hope its not true. We should not let Human Civilizations end


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 05, 2016, 06:49:16 AM
With the Greed for wealth and power. I would say war will be the reason for our extinction. If America will be persistent enough on manipulating the minds of the Arab Nations, I would say there will be no enough valid reason than this. Iraq , Afghanistan has been bombarded as they claim as revenge for the 9/11. Which resulted to non, but rather hatred. The ISIS is a group organized and backed by ISrael and America. Have you seen America and ISrael attacked by ISIS on their own land. If you could see most of the European countries and Arab Nations has been attacked. But US and Israel. I guess no, If you are the one behind all of these terrorism why would they attack their selves for the first place....... The ISIS thing is a whole Inside Job to promote hatred and violence against the Muslims around the world.

This 13-minute video explains what is going on - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xcGL3zqNm0.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: escrowboy on July 05, 2016, 10:24:00 AM
Lets hope its not true. We should not let Human Civilizations end
Human is just a tiny dot on the Universe and it is our nature to be selfish that's why we don't want human race to end. There's are so many things that can make the human race wiped out and we're the one who's causing making them. So don't be surprise if one day we kill our own race.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: jupiterdianysa on July 05, 2016, 11:00:19 AM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

8)

This is, however, unlikely to happen based on current knowledge, since we’ve recently discovered that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. But it doesnt mean impossible either.

Right, except for one thing. We have known for 2 or 3 decades that the universe seems to be expanding at an ever increasing rate. It isn't all that recent that we found this out.

But... the point is, why are so many people, especially people in NASA and the media, suggesting that Big Bang is fact, when the scientists who put the Big Bang model together in the first place, can't even agree on how it might work?

After all, just because several Big Bang models exist, doesn't mean that in the last 13 or 15 billion years that are suggested by BB, that something else didn't happen that the scientists simply haven't though up yet.

Let me say it this way. Before anybody thought up Big Bang, it wasn't there. So, sooner or later somebody will think up something else that will show us that BB is a stupid idea. Since this is bound to happen (if it hasn't happened already), why do people go around saying BB is fact when nobody was there to record it, and there are countless other things that could have happened that make BB look somewhat real when it isn't necessarily real?

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As mentioned before its a theory like many other theories,  physics is so likely to promote this theory among all because it seems much more possible than others.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: JohnXJ on July 05, 2016, 11:01:48 AM
"Kiamat"/" judgement day" all robots pay in $BTC  :D


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 05, 2016, 12:51:26 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

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This is, however, unlikely to happen based on current knowledge, since we’ve recently discovered that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. But it doesnt mean impossible either.

Right, except for one thing. We have known for 2 or 3 decades that the universe seems to be expanding at an ever increasing rate. It isn't all that recent that we found this out.

But... the point is, why are so many people, especially people in NASA and the media, suggesting that Big Bang is fact, when the scientists who put the Big Bang model together in the first place, can't even agree on how it might work?

After all, just because several Big Bang models exist, doesn't mean that in the last 13 or 15 billion years that are suggested by BB, that something else didn't happen that the scientists simply haven't though up yet.

Let me say it this way. Before anybody thought up Big Bang, it wasn't there. So, sooner or later somebody will think up something else that will show us that BB is a stupid idea. Since this is bound to happen (if it hasn't happened already), why do people go around saying BB is fact when nobody was there to record it, and there are countless other things that could have happened that make BB look somewhat real when it isn't necessarily real?

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As mentioned before its a theory like many other theories,  physics is so likely to promote this theory among all because it seems much more possible than others.

This is true. Many scientists say that they don't know if theories are true. But the media and other scientists say that some theories are true and factual. Then, people start to believe when nobody really knows for sure. Look what happens right in this forum. You have people willing to argue that some theories are true and factual when they don't know it. It is very similar to some religions. It fits the definition of the word "religion."

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: Jmild1 on July 05, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

8)

This is, however, unlikely to happen based on current knowledge, since we’ve recently discovered that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. But it doesnt mean impossible either.

Right, except for one thing. We have known for 2 or 3 decades that the universe seems to be expanding at an ever increasing rate. It isn't all that recent that we found this out.

But... the point is, why are so many people, especially people in NASA and the media, suggesting that Big Bang is fact, when the scientists who put the Big Bang model together in the first place, can't even agree on how it might work?

After all, just because several Big Bang models exist, doesn't mean that in the last 13 or 15 billion years that are suggested by BB, that something else didn't happen that the scientists simply haven't though up yet.

Let me say it this way. Before anybody thought up Big Bang, it wasn't there. So, sooner or later somebody will think up something else that will show us that BB is a stupid idea. Since this is bound to happen (if it hasn't happened already), why do people go around saying BB is fact when nobody was there to record it, and there are countless other things that could have happened that make BB look somewhat real when it isn't necessarily real?

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As mentioned before its a theory like many other theories,  physics is so likely to promote this theory among all because it seems much more possible than others.

Physics is the most concrete way of making theory because it has way of verifying things that has the aspect of reality we have in this world. So there's no other thing can be a good source except for physics.


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: jupiterdianysa on July 05, 2016, 04:09:05 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

8)

This is, however, unlikely to happen based on current knowledge, since we’ve recently discovered that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. But it doesnt mean impossible either.

Right, except for one thing. We have known for 2 or 3 decades that the universe seems to be expanding at an ever increasing rate. It isn't all that recent that we found this out.

But... the point is, why are so many people, especially people in NASA and the media, suggesting that Big Bang is fact, when the scientists who put the Big Bang model together in the first place, can't even agree on how it might work?

After all, just because several Big Bang models exist, doesn't mean that in the last 13 or 15 billion years that are suggested by BB, that something else didn't happen that the scientists simply haven't though up yet.

Let me say it this way. Before anybody thought up Big Bang, it wasn't there. So, sooner or later somebody will think up something else that will show us that BB is a stupid idea. Since this is bound to happen (if it hasn't happened already), why do people go around saying BB is fact when nobody was there to record it, and there are countless other things that could have happened that make BB look somewhat real when it isn't necessarily real?

8)

As mentioned before its a theory like many other theories,  physics is so likely to promote this theory among all because it seems much more possible than others.

Physics is the most concrete way of making theory because it has way of verifying things that has the aspect of reality we have in this world. So there's no other thing can be a good source except for physics.

Physics is sometimes so hard to believe the conclusion even you are into it. Most exciting branch of science for me


Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: BADecker on July 05, 2016, 05:42:45 PM
I guess it will end like it started, bang bang..
What? I don't know what you're trying to say. Big bang is a rapid expansion of the universe, how can it be an end if the universe will keep on expanding?

The most prominent theory for how the universe began is the Big Bang, where all matter first existed as a singularity, an infinitely dense point in the abyss of nothing. Then something caused it to explode. The matter expanded outward at an incredible rate and eventually formed the universe we see today.The Big Crunch, as you might have guessed, is the Big Bang’s opposite. All that matter expanding outward at the edges of the universe is being affected by our universe’s gravity. According to this theory, gravity will eventually cause this expansion to slow to the point where it halts and begins to contract instead. The contraction will bring all of that material (planets, stars, galaxies, black holes—everything) back to the center until it becomes that infinitely dense singularity again, wiping out everything. And then we’d be left with the same conditions that the universe had before the Big Bang—all the matter of the universe condensed into an infinitesimal point.

Well, when you look into it, you will find that Big Bang is at least 3 theories that are not compatible. If you really want to consider Big Bang as a viable theory for the beginning of the universe, you need to knock all the Big Bang theories off their pedestal except for one. Then you need to make the one BB theory acceptable for Black Hole theory, which doesn't fit any of the Big Bang theories.

8)

This is, however, unlikely to happen based on current knowledge, since we’ve recently discovered that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. But it doesnt mean impossible either.

Right, except for one thing. We have known for 2 or 3 decades that the universe seems to be expanding at an ever increasing rate. It isn't all that recent that we found this out.

But... the point is, why are so many people, especially people in NASA and the media, suggesting that Big Bang is fact, when the scientists who put the Big Bang model together in the first place, can't even agree on how it might work?

After all, just because several Big Bang models exist, doesn't mean that in the last 13 or 15 billion years that are suggested by BB, that something else didn't happen that the scientists simply haven't though up yet.

Let me say it this way. Before anybody thought up Big Bang, it wasn't there. So, sooner or later somebody will think up something else that will show us that BB is a stupid idea. Since this is bound to happen (if it hasn't happened already), why do people go around saying BB is fact when nobody was there to record it, and there are countless other things that could have happened that make BB look somewhat real when it isn't necessarily real?

8)

As mentioned before its a theory like many other theories,  physics is so likely to promote this theory among all because it seems much more possible than others.

Physics is the most concrete way of making theory because it has way of verifying things that has the aspect of reality we have in this world. So there's no other thing can be a good source except for physics.

Physics is sometimes so hard to believe the conclusion even you are into it. Most exciting branch of science for me

It isn't physics that is or can be wrong. It is people. Here's what I mean.

Physics is NOT in its infancy. Rather, it has just barely been conceived. How do we know this? Consider the dimensions - like point, line, plane and space. Space is considered the 3rd dimension. We thoroughly understand the first 6 or 8 dimensions. We know some things about 6 or 8 more dimensions. We recognize the existence of about 32 dimensions. But there could be an infinite number of them, each one greatly more complex than the last.

The problem is NOT that we are discovering things using physics. The problem has to do with our believing aspects of physics to be truth when we don't know it.

The facts that go into a science theory are facts. But the theory itself isn't known to be fact. If it were a fact, it would not be a theory. But when we call the unknown as though it were fact, especially when we know that it may not be fact, then we are moving into the area of religion.

This is exactly the thing that many scientists, the media, and companies like NASA are doing. They are religion, even though they have much factual science associated with them, because they treat things that are not known to be fact as though they were fact.

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Title: Re: The end of human history
Post by: barbara44 on July 05, 2016, 05:53:17 PM
I was thinking about different options humanity has for the future. Will there be the end of human history and if there will, then what would it be like?
It is not possible for extinct of human beings because dispite of all the problems humans are able to survive for such long  era and will continue to adopt all kinds of natural calamities that may occur like global warming and all as it is the gift given by the creator to human beings to survive anywhere.