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Other => Beginners & Help => Topic started by: Predtech on July 04, 2016, 07:06:13 PM



Title: Complete newbie to bitcoin...
Post by: Predtech on July 04, 2016, 07:06:13 PM
Hi guys, I am totally new to this game and I was hoping i can get some advice from more experienced people who are currently mining.
I understand that more powerful miners yield a better bitcoin amount such as the s7 and s9. I also understand that I need to get a bitcoin wallet to store my earnings.
What I don't really understand is this: for example the s9 works at 14 TH/s which yields 1.02314542 BTC per month which according to the current exchange rate is equal to $672.25.
So with that said here is my question... Is that a guaranteed 1.02314542 BTC give/take per month (I know it changes every 2016 blocks) or not?
Would it be better for me to mine in a pool, and if so, would my chances of mining be any better based off the fact that I have a powerful miner?

I know these are the most basic of questions but I'm asking because there is SO MUCH info on this online and because there's so many different wallets and so many different currencies, it's just making my head spin.
Any help or advice in me hopefully starting a new adventure in bitcoin mining is greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Title: Re: Complete newbie to bitcoin...
Post by: Kprawn on July 04, 2016, 07:24:40 PM
I am not sure if your information is correct on the monthly yield from the s9. Nothing in mining is guaranteed and I doubt if solo mining for Bitcoins would be profitable at all in the long run. Could you

quote the source of your information please? I think you would be better off, just buying the Bitcoin for the price you would be paying for the Asic miners and then wait it out, until you can sell them

for a profit..... that is in most cases more guaranteed... based on the price history of Bitcoin over the last couple of years.  ;D


Title: Re: Complete newbie to bitcoin...
Post by: knightkon on July 04, 2016, 08:16:10 PM
Here is my mining advice for anyone interested in starting with mining bitcoin or any altcoin; Stay far, far away from mining unless you are going to do it to play around.  There is no way to quickly recover your investment when it comes to mining.


Title: Re: Complete newbie to bitcoin...
Post by: Predtech on July 04, 2016, 08:37:05 PM
I based my figures from a bitcoin mining calculator: https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator


Title: Re: Complete newbie to bitcoin...
Post by: DannyHamilton on July 05, 2016, 03:44:25 AM
Hi guys, I am totally new to this game and I was hoping i can get some advice from more experienced people who are currently mining.
I understand that more powerful miners yield a better bitcoin amount such as the s7 and s9. I also understand that I need to get a bitcoin wallet to store my earnings.
What I don't really understand is this: for example the s9 works at 14 TH/s which yields 1.02314542 BTC per month which according to the current exchange rate is equal to $672.25.

Yes. those numbers seem about right.

So with that said here is my question... Is that a guaranteed 1.02314542 BTC give/take per month

No.

There is no guarantee.  On average, with that much hash power, you should earn about 0.03299310 BTC per day at the current difficulty of 213,398,925,331.  Assuming an average of 30.4375 days per month, if difficulty doesn't change, then you would expect on average to earn about:

0.03299310 * 30.4375 = 1.00422736 BTC per month.

However, the block reward is expected to be cut in half on July 9 (about 4 days from now), meaning your revenue would also be cut in half to about 0.01649655 per day or 0.50211368 BTC per month.

Additionally, since difficulty changes every 2016 blocks (approximately every 2 weeks), you will almost certainly earn an amount per month that is different than that.  And since difficulty appears to be increasing at a rate of about 3.6% per difficulty change (averaged over the 5 most recent changes), you might expect your revenue to drop by about 3.6% every 2 weeks.  Of course, it could drop a lot faster than that if a lot of new hash power is added to the network, or your revenue could increase if hash power leaves the network.  It's up to you to decide what you believe the future total network hash power (and therefore mining difficulty) will be.

Would it be better for me to mine in a pool,

Yes.  By mining in a pool, you pay a small fee to reduce the variability in your earnings.  Without a pool, you would not expect to earn 0.50211368 BTC per month.  Instead you would expect (if difficulty never changed) to earn a single block of 12.5 BTC all at once every 24.89 months on average.  Difficulty is likely to rise before you solve that block, meaning that it will likely take even longer than 24 months (possibly decades) before you get lucky enough to solve a block.

and if so, would my chances of mining be any better based off the fact that I have a powerful miner?

Yes.  The more hashes per second you can try, the better your chance of solving a block, and the more shares you can submit to a pool for payment.


Title: Re: Complete newbie to bitcoin...
Post by: Predtech on July 05, 2016, 04:57:57 AM
Hi guys, I am totally new to this game and I was hoping i can get some advice from more experienced people who are currently mining.
I understand that more powerful miners yield a better bitcoin amount such as the s7 and s9. I also understand that I need to get a bitcoin wallet to store my earnings.
What I don't really understand is this: for example the s9 works at 14 TH/s which yields 1.02314542 BTC per month which according to the current exchange rate is equal to $672.25.

Yes. those numbers seem about right.

So with that said here is my question... Is that a guaranteed 1.02314542 BTC give/take per month

No.

There is no guarantee.  On average, with that much hash power, you should earn about 0.03299310 BTC per day at the current difficulty of 213,398,925,331.  Assuming an average of 30.4375 days per month, if difficulty doesn't change, then you would expect on average to earn about:

0.03299310 * 30.4375 = 1.00422736 BTC per month.

However, the block reward is expected to be cut in half on July 9 (about 4 days from now), meaning your revenue would also be cut in half to about 0.01649655 per day or 0.50211368 BTC per month.

Additionally, since difficulty changes every 2016 blocks (approximately every 2 weeks), you will almost certainly earn an amount per month that is different than that.  And since difficulty appears to be increasing at a rate of about 3.6% per difficulty change (averaged over the 5 most recent changes), you might expect your revenue to drop by about 3.6% every 2 weeks.  Of course, it could drop a lot faster than that if a lot of new hash power is added to the network, or your revenue could increase if hash power leaves the network.  It's up to you to decide what you believe the future total network hash power (and therefore mining difficulty) will be.

Would it be better for me to mine in a pool,

Yes.  By mining in a pool, you pay a small fee to reduce the variability in your earnings.  Without a pool, you would not expect to earn 0.50211368 BTC per month.  Instead you would expect (if difficulty never changed) to earn a single block of 12.5 BTC all at once every 24.89 months on average.  Difficulty is likely to rise before you solve that block, meaning that it will likely take even longer than 24 months (possibly decades) before you get lucky enough to solve a block.

and if so, would my chances of mining be any better based off the fact that I have a powerful miner?

Yes.  The more hashes per second you can try, the better your chance of solving a block, and the more shares you can submit to a pool for payment.


Thank you very much. That is exactly what I needed to know.