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Title: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: mot7 on March 19, 2013, 03:35:10 PM
The last few trades on MtGox's website are infinite repeating digits.  This is very atypical and to have this occur several times in a row, along with a price jump makes me suspicious.

Can anyone validate whats going on?

For example the volume indicator says the quantity of trades ends in .3333333   .6666666 etc.

How can "volume" include a fractional trade.  A trade is a whole number no?


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: niko on March 19, 2013, 03:42:32 PM
The last few trades on MtGox's website are infinite repeating digits.  This is very atypical and to have this occur several times in a row, along with a price jump makes me suspicious.

Can anyone validate whats going on?

For example the volume indicator says the quantity of trades ends in .3333333   .6666666 etc.

How can "volume" include a fractional trade.  A trade is a whole number no?

You do realize what "M" in MtGox stands for, do you?


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: John (John K.) on March 19, 2013, 03:43:41 PM
The last few trades on MtGox's website are infinite repeating digits.  This is very atypical and to have this occur several times in a row, along with a price jump makes me suspicious.

Can anyone validate whats going on?

For example the volume indicator says the quantity of trades ends in .3333333   .6666666 etc.

How can "volume" include a fractional trade.  A trade is a whole number no?

Uh, you can buy or sell fractional amounts there.


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: Herodes on March 19, 2013, 03:44:12 PM
The last few trades on MtGox's website are infinite repeating digits.  This is very atypical and to have this occur several times in a row, along with a price jump makes me suspicious.

Can anyone validate whats going on?

For example the volume indicator says the quantity of trades ends in .3333333   .6666666 etc.

How can "volume" include a fractional trade.  A trade is a whole number no?


There was the .7337 boot too not long ago - maybe someone just having a blast ?


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: runlinux on March 19, 2013, 03:45:28 PM
Bots don't care how numbers look.  ;D


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: mot7 on March 19, 2013, 03:56:29 PM
Uh, you can buy or sell fractional amounts there.

John we're talking about two different things.  "Volume" is the count of trades over a period of time.  It should always be a whole number.

Example:

3 trades for 0.5 BTC is a volume of 3. 

If "volume" is a non-fraction and an integer how can "volume" logically not be a whole number.


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: mot7 on March 19, 2013, 03:59:38 PM


looks like it's fixed.  The volume is now showing a whole number for the last n trades


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 20, 2013, 12:47:54 AM
volume = Amount of BTC bought and sold.


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: the joint on March 20, 2013, 12:51:22 AM
Uh, you can buy or sell fractional amounts there.

John we're talking about two different things.  "Volume" is the count of trades over a period of time.  It should always be a whole number.

Example:

3 trades for 0.5 BTC is a volume of 3. 

If "volume" is a non-fraction and an integer how can "volume" logically not be a whole number.

3 trades for 0.5 BTC is a volume of 1.5 BTC.


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: Surpbitcoin on March 20, 2013, 12:55:11 AM
Uh, you can buy or sell fractional amounts there.

John we're talking about two different things.  "Volume" is the count of trades over a period of time.  It should always be a whole number.

Example:

3 trades for 0.5 BTC is a volume of 3. 

If "volume" is a non-fraction and an integer how can "volume" logically not be a whole number.

3 trades for 0.5 BTC is a volume of 1.5 BTC.

No, its 3!


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: Bit_Happy on March 20, 2013, 01:23:54 AM
MtGox Volume:103,424 BTC
Over 100,000 BTC not the number of transactions.


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on March 20, 2013, 01:29:04 AM
John we're talking about two different things.  "Volume" is the count of trades over a period of time.  It should always be a whole number.

No it isn't.  Think about how utterly worthless that would be as a metric.

You trade 1 order of 100,000 BTC = 1 volume?
I trade 100,000 orders of 1 satoshi each (0.001 BTC total) = 100,000 volume?
What use would that be as a metric?

VOLUME on any currency exchange is the amount of currency traded.  MtGox measures the BTC volume (i.e. the total BTC traded in the prior 24 hours).


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: Dalkore on March 20, 2013, 02:47:02 AM
John we're talking about two different things.  "Volume" is the count of trades over a period of time.  It should always be a whole number.

No it isn't.  Think about how utterly worthless that would be as a metric.

You trade 1 order of 100,000 BTC = 1 volume?
I trade 100,000 orders of 1 satoshi each (0.001 BTC total) = 100,000 volume?
What use would that be as a metric?

VOLUME on any currency exchange is the amount of currency traded.  MtGox measures the BTC volume (i.e. the total BTC traded in the prior 24 hours).

+1


Title: Re: Is Mt Gox hacked? The volume of the last few trades are all repeating digits
Post by: Sage on March 20, 2013, 03:51:36 AM
What you're see is short-term market manipulation.

The bot waits for low volume and the right bid/ask trade environment.  Then trades back and forth with account it controls to push the market in a direction.  Then buys on another site (such as 1broker), at a manipulated price.  Then sells when the market corrects.

It also looks for opportunities to push stops with small orders, then sell once stops are triggered with large orders.

It's a scam. 

The way to protect yourself is to watch actual Bitcoin volume trades and not just the price.

Someone needs to setup a trading platform with conditional rules so we can filter out these market manipulations.