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Title: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on March 21, 2013, 07:56:30 AM
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PEOPLE in NSW will no longer have the "right to silence" when being questioned by police after the Shooters and Fishers Party voted with the government on its bid to combat gang violence.

Critics of the laws - which the government will now push through the lower house - say it's a fundamental attack on people's rights.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/oppn-slammed-over-nsw-right-to-silence-law/story-e6frfku9-1226601328430


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: Dabs on March 21, 2013, 10:38:31 AM
People are forgetting the Miranda doctrine? Anything you say, can and will be used against you. If you don't speak, then it's just contempt (but that's bad all by itself.)

First they take your guns, then your speech.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: Foxpup on March 21, 2013, 11:43:08 AM
People are forgetting the Miranda doctrine?
Miranda doesn't apply in Australia. In fact, we haven't really had the right to silence since the Cybercrime Act 2001 (Schedule 2, Items 12 and 28) made it a crime to not reveal the password to encrypted files, punishable by 6 months imprisonment.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: Dabs on March 21, 2013, 02:02:24 PM
And if you forgot the password? Or if you don't know it? What if you used a deniable encryption system and gave them a password to the non-hidden partition? What if you used multi-factor or multi-signature authentication and you lost the other half that unlocks your files?

I mean, a Yubikey is small, and it can easily disappear or be destroyed. I only memorize half of my 64 character password and they Yubikey types the next 32 characters. There is no way I can remember that.

So, I'll reveal what I know but it won't open what you want. Or I'll reveal what you think I know, and it will show something else.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: MysteryMiner on March 21, 2013, 04:35:43 PM
Slowly the times of government oppression return, this time in western world. Will be like soviet union under stalin, yezhov and beria. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ8u7cOLTl4


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: myrkul on March 21, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
Slowly the times of government oppression return, this time in western world. Will be like soviet union under stalin, yezhov and beria.

Quite likely. Meanwhile, Russia is getting freer. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: MysteryMiner on March 21, 2013, 05:14:27 PM
Slowly the times of government oppression return, this time in western world. Will be like soviet union under stalin, yezhov and beria.

Quite likely. Meanwhile, Russia is getting freer. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe.
Not true. Russia always was oppressive and unjust under any rule (tzar, commies, yeltsin, putin). Russia is just lagging behind western nation in some aspects of totalitarianism. Like the password to encrypted files will be beaten out by phonebook instead asked by judge under threat of imprisonment.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: Dabs on March 21, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
If you don't really know the password (due to reasons stated above), what happens in:

1. Russia = they rubber hose you to death?
2. Australia = they imprison you for 6 months?

As in, you really can't tell them the password because half of it is destroyed. Or you tell them a password, but not the password. (Think TrueCrypt.)


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: MysteryMiner on March 22, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
Australia also can rubber dildo before imprisonment. Two factor authentication or hidden volumes can help in some cases, but not always. The real problem is that governments are willing to go to do such things to just take a look at your data.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: Dabs on March 22, 2013, 02:47:27 PM
I guess you'll just have to convince them that you are complying and cooperating. The problem is if they don't believe you, or they rubber hose you for nothing, because you really have nothing.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: myrkul on March 22, 2013, 05:38:50 PM
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/victim-of-the-spanish-inquisition-everett.jpg
You will give us the password now, yes?


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: debianlinux on March 22, 2013, 05:44:43 PM
Rights cannot be rescinded otherwise they were never rights to begin with.


Title: Re: Right to be silent no longer exists in New South Wales
Post by: Monster Tent on March 22, 2013, 09:44:27 PM
Australia is still a convict colony for all intents and purposes.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=commonwealth+of+australia&match=contains&action=getcompany (http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=commonwealth+of+australia&match=contains&action=getcompany) It is also a corporation registered in the US.