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Title: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 21, 2013, 11:11:18 PM
I think this rally has been getting ahead of itself - thoughts?


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: sgbett on March 21, 2013, 11:13:41 PM
I thought that very same thing...


...at $35


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: NamelessOne on March 21, 2013, 11:16:15 PM
Right now a big spender is trying damn hard to push it down. Constantly laying on the super walls and the sizable asks right at the bid price.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 21, 2013, 11:44:01 PM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: NamelessOne on March 21, 2013, 11:45:59 PM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.
I'd be happy with that also. I would enjoy sustained growth.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: mokahless on March 22, 2013, 12:21:53 AM
I thought that very same thing...


...at $35

+1

Then again at $45

And again at $68



Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Spaceman_Spiff on March 22, 2013, 12:38:05 AM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.

Haha, we are calling exponential growth 'steady' now  ;D


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 22, 2013, 12:46:25 AM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.

Haha, we are calling exponential growth 'steady' now  ;D

Yeah, re-reading it I guess that doesn't really make sense but I think you get what I meant.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Gatekeeper on March 22, 2013, 12:50:04 AM
i think everyone knows it has to cool off, i'd be delighted if it stays above $60 for a week or more, get our breath back then march on up to 100


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Dargo on March 22, 2013, 12:51:52 AM
I think we could dip as low as 66-ish, but will take at least one more crack at 74-ish before a more major pullback. Or we could just bust upwards and keep going. But I'm mostly pulling all this out of my butt.  :D


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 22, 2013, 12:55:00 AM
I think we could dip as low as 66-ish, but will take at least one more crack at 74-ish before a more major pullback. Or we could just bust upwards and keep going. But I'm mostly pulling all this out of my butt.  :D

The joy of the speculation sub-forum. Everyone here shits pearls of wisdom.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: 01BTC10 on March 22, 2013, 12:58:31 AM
I thought that very same thing...


...at $35

+1

Then again at $45

And again at $68



Yeap. Same.

But persistent growth will go on.. as long as they keep printing the fiat money to buy the coins with.
http://theswash.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/krug.jpg

http://memes.thedailysatire.com/media/created/fn7f5l.jpg


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Spaceman_Spiff on March 22, 2013, 01:02:29 AM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.

Haha, we are calling exponential growth 'steady' now  ;D

Yeah, re-reading it I guess that doesn't really make sense but I think you get what I meant.

It makes perfect sense to say something like this now.  I just found it funny because it clearly shows the situation we are in.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 22, 2013, 01:07:26 AM
'Steady exponential growth' should normally be something of an oxymoron...

...but Bitcoin ;D


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Spaceman_Spiff on March 22, 2013, 01:13:53 AM
'Steady exponential growth' should normally be something of an oxymoron...

...but Bitcoin ;D

indeed


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on March 22, 2013, 02:36:03 AM
I won't be surprised if we pull back to exponential support at $50, nor will I be surprised if we bum-rush $100 in a few days.

Because if we're now reaching the millionaires' club, we're going to have to shift up to a new exponent at some point. A steeper slope on the log-scale chart.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 22, 2013, 02:40:30 AM
But I want to buy more coins  :'(


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: BitPirate on March 22, 2013, 02:51:59 AM
It's unreasonable to expect steady exponential (or steady anything) growth.

The user base will come flooding in in fits and starts.

For example, say the current rise is from the "Reddit effect". We all know that Redditors can bring down websites when they flood across the Internet to visit stories. It's unreasonable to expect that they will flow in in an exponential fashion: with one friend telling 2 and those 2 telling 4, and so on... rather, they will all descend at once.

There was a jump in prices as they all finally got funds cleared and bought. Then the price rose by ~60%, which will result in a renewed flourish of Internet activity, which will result in additional waves of takeup down the road.

I expect the same will be true for institutional or large investors. Big buys, then an amplifying network effect.

So rather than steady growth, we will see S-curve jumps. Each s-curve will have a ripple of following activity -- either resonant/amplifying, or dampening.

I expect (wild guess) the "Reddit effect" will be a large s-curve followed by smaller (dampening) s-curves.
I expect (wild guess) that the "Big investors" and the increased interest from European investors are a small effect now, but will be followed by amplifying effects.

Anyway, to cut to the chase.... It's reasonable to expect a much-high-than-exponential growth in the early days, interspersed with short periods of calm. I don't think that is indicative of a bubble. In fact, it makes sense to make the best of the steep part of each of the S-curves.... The bigger the stone cast, the wider the ripples.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: zeroday on March 22, 2013, 03:16:03 AM
As I see on market depth, the crash could start at $74

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: BitPirate on March 22, 2013, 03:23:34 AM
Crash?

All the way down to $71.9 maybe....

Last night the wall from $68.9 - $70 was over 10k BTC, and it came crashing down in a matter of hours. This wall is only ~$8k. There is less buying pressure due to the time of the day, but there is no sign of a crash.

That said, I guess we will stay around here for a day or two. I expect $75-> high $90s will be very swift next week.

Just a guess though -- it could all happen much sooner than that.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: zeroday on March 22, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
Is 64 now and going down. Panic ?


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: NamelessOne on March 22, 2013, 09:31:41 PM
Is 64 now and going down. Panic ?


Nope, just a correction down to support, and helped by the intimidation walls of our 'benevolent manipulator' (if they are benevolent haha)


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: NamelessOne on March 22, 2013, 09:36:11 PM
Is 64 now and going down. Panic ?


Nope, just a correction down to support, and helped by the intimidation walls of our 'benevolent manipulator' (if they are benevolent haha)

This is normal, people taking profits, and others buying a little. I'm happy with bitcoin at 50-60 for a while. Let the market catch up and get used to these values, then off to another rally.

Agreed, I'd be happy with that.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 22, 2013, 09:39:06 PM
Good weekend to buy I reckon


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Richy_T on March 23, 2013, 12:57:05 AM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.

Haha, we are calling exponential growth 'steady' now  ;D

To a physicist or mathematician, it can be. Its a proportionality thing.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 23, 2013, 02:36:58 AM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.

Haha, we are calling exponential growth 'steady' now  ;D

To a physicist or mathematician, it can be. Its a proportionality thing.

To clarify: It would be nice to see the growth rate fit a curve with a zero gradient second derivative, i.e. steady acceleration, none of this increasing rate of change of the rate of change malarkey.


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Richy_T on March 23, 2013, 03:16:46 AM
Even on a logarithmic scale it's spiked above the trend. I would feel a lot more comfortable if it dipped again for now, or at least slowed to steady exponential growth.

Haha, we are calling exponential growth 'steady' now  ;D

To a physicist or mathematician, it can be. Its a proportionality thing.

To clarify: It would be nice to see the growth rate fit a curve with a zero gradient second derivative, i.e. steady acceleration, none of this increasing rate of change of the rate of change malarkey.

There'll be a place like that in the s-curve (and probably a few along the way too :D )


Title: Re: Pullback from $75?
Post by: Tirapon on March 23, 2013, 05:34:07 AM
Bitcoin roller-coaster  :D