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I do not believe that Ethereum Classic should have that subtitle at all.  It is not a fork or a flavor, but rather the true implementation - Ethereum Core.  Meanwhile, I've come to realize since initially making this topic, the 'ETH' advocates don't need to change their ticker at all - 'ETH' is already a great ticker to denominate "Ethereum Hardfork".  This fork may not have as much inherent value due to being mutable at the whims of a few central controllers, but it has a bright future as a testnet for the true Ethereum.    
  
Let the test network have their valid supporters who for some reason value testnet tokens, and let them trade as they please, but there is something important we all need to realize.  The human intervention on behalf of ETH whales has showed that on that their code has no consequences.  Code must have consequences or you might as well be trading cells on a password-protected spreadsheet.  
  
Support the immutability of code and blockchains (even if that code is ultimately flawed).  Support Ethereum 'Classic', as that is the true world computer.  
  
https://i.imgur.com/9mV8wLE.jpg

Looks like we found one of the people who been buying Ethereum classic.   :D

I agree, If they're gonna add the old fork to exchanges then it needs to remain ETH.

That is another way of looking at it. It will really depend on the point of view of the person on what is the original and what is the fork. I can see this will be a debate for a long time as long as the original Ethereum classic chain still exists.

There's always some idiots.  :D

Don't worry one way or another it will be stolen from you as ETC is an insecure chain of which the DAO attacker has 3.6 million ETC getting ready to dump. But yeah stick to your idiotic self righteous immutability. This is 2016 not 2009!!

Shall we hereby declare 7/25 Ethereum Independence day!?

No it is absolutely clear imo what is what.
When after a fork the original chain survives, it is still the original one.It doesn't matter how many users the forked chain has, how high it's hashrate and marketcap is or how many nodes it has.
As long as the old chain is active it stays as the original one and the forked version is just another altcoin.
Therefore I totally agree with OP.

Here we stand united, like Bernie and Trump supporters against Hillary

When can the DAO hacker have the power to move around his coins? Maybe we should sell before then.

Have you seen the price?

Lol, this was one of the first things that came to mind when I heard the continuing news on all this. I had tuned out honestly, after ETH failed to react as I predicted post fork. But the non forked chain is ETH in my opinion, that was the original ledger, and despite a fork, will always be. I think everyone else is slowly starting to feel a similar way.

That is the price before the big dumps of the large Ethereum holders before the hard fork. We will find out in a few days.

Lmao, sad attempts at supporting this garbage. Vitalik stated he doesn't care for this shit. Massive manipulation by whales. That's all there is to ETC. Price will go sub .50 cents soon. You've been warned.

honestly i personally don't care much at all for neither eth nor etc;
what i find most prominent about etc & its community though, is its cynicism, aggression & hostility towards eth;
in short, i highly find that counter productive;
imo shilling for a flawed code that hosts millions of stolen investor funds is as bad as shilling for a centralized bailout coin!

eth community seems to be focused & hell bent on putting the dao hack fiasco behind & move forward with the development of whatever it is they stand for & have planned!
shouldn't etc community & supporters focus more on development of their own code & finding their own foothold among alts?
what's the point of constantly trying to point out what's bad & wrong with someone else?!
i point out that trying to bring others down does not get anyone any higher;
i'll shut it now!

ETH just permanently relegated itself to being a testnet for ETC, the true Ethereum.  Human-controlled reversibility isn't a good thing; it's a curse.  There is no end to the slippery slope of human intervention in finance; if that's what people want, why use a blockchain at all?  Simply use a database on a cloud server.  
  
That's what ETH equates to: a database on a cloud server.  The tokens are no more valuable than ISK from Eve Online or meso from Maplestory because they are centrally controlled tokens which don't matter.  
  
ETC represents an actual, immutable blockchain with consequences for faulty code.


https://i.imgur.com/IDuy3Xu.gif

That is great for the ETH to be a test net. Let us test new development on the ETH first and use it quite a lot.

There is absolutely no problem with ETC going sub 50 cents.  That's still more than enough to build modest, reasonable smart contracts with, which is, as far as I know, the *only* reason of existence of ethereum.  At least, people that build contracts on the ETC chain will know that it is unstoppable, and that the code IS the law.  They will probably also know that there's little chance that big whales come in and mess up the thing, as it is not big enough, and especially, because now, there's nobody to call when their investments don't run as expected.

Of course, on ETC, you won't run megalomania rich projects such as venture capital firms as a "hello world" application test.  But, I don't know, maybe, automated bicycle lock contracts, who knows ?  ;D

Smart contracts should start out modestly, with relatively small amounts of money, and several of them, instead of one huge big project that runs before it has learned to walk.  ETC is perfect for that.  50 cents per unit is more than enough to feed such contracts.

BTW, what large project ETH is used for, right now ?

In the next few weeks, there will be attacks on one or two chains. One of the chain might survive the attacks.

ETH is the longest chain, so ETC is many blocks behind. It is likely the longest chain will win, sorry for that but always go with the masses when investing long term. But if you are shorting, good luck with ETC.

The "longest chain" argument only holds when we talk about equally valid block chains.  But after a hard fork, such is not the case.  Blocks on chain A are not valid on chain B, and vice versa.

You could just as well argue about a "longest chain argument" between, say, bitcoin and litecoin.

They should really rename it to Core instead of Classic. For anyone knowledgeable in crypto, Classic has a non-serious tone to it due the Bitcoin Classic mess, and you don't want to make people feel like Ethereum Classic is like Bitcoin Classic, when Ethereum Classic has the Bitcoin Core approach of no hard forks over money being lost, in other words, the no-bullshit approach.

We shall know the fate of the ETH and ETC in the next few months. It is possible one of the them will be killed.

Fantastic pic! A great way to sum it up indeed. This shows that ETC guys are the ones staying true to what ETH was supposed to be: a hardcore machine that would execute the smart contracts as coded, without no ways to backpeddle. If something goes wrong: Take the lesson and code it better next time, but don't fuck with the blockchain.

I hope ETC overtakes ETH including it's price. It's not only about making money, it's obviously a fight against crypto central banking approach to this mess. Fuck blockchain bailouts.

The fate of the ETC could be determined end of August. I heard the DAO hackers can have access to the ETC by then.

Day after day it becomes clearer who invested their life savings into ETC, the very same people that missed early ETH. And now they realise ETC is PnD, so they're getting desperate, day after day. And eventually after devcon they'll see ethereum at 20$ and that'll be the last drop and they'll know it, that'll be the day when they'll realise they'll die poor.

I absolutely agree with you gud Sir. ETC criminal coin is now in its death throws. Price and hash collapsing daily. The sooner this shitcoinage is dead and buried the better.

The ETC could be a significant for 3 more weeks. After the DAO hacker sell the hacked ETC, the price will be lower.

The price has already dropped about 50% from the recent peaks. It is possible the price will drop again by end of August.

That prediction is proved to be not so right. The price of ETC is quite stable at the moment. It is quite strange.

You might be right. But there is big dump of the ETC at the moment. It seems the Ethereum Foundation does not want to kill it now.