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Title: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: betafall on March 23, 2013, 03:50:06 AM

We'd love feedback and recommendations on improving play for a new game we just launched tonight. We'd also appreciate tips on the best place to market the game. Here's the live radio spot we did tonight on Free Talk Live, a nationally syndicated radio show on 100 stations in the U.S....they love talking Bitcoin.

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https://i.imgur.com/eltH2Ng.jpg

SatoshiCircle.com (http://SatoshiCircle.com)

SatoshiCircle ups the ante in the Bitcoin gaming world,

Offering a beautiful interface, better payback odds, loads of action....
penguins, balloons and more....All in a simple, yet addictive Bitcoin casino style wheel game. Satoshi Circle plays right through your computer browser, smartphone or device.... It couldn't be easier.

There's nothing to download and no app required
Play Satoshi Circle at home or on the road and win BIG!.

Collect cool Awards and Reward points as you progress through the game. You can even compete against others on the global leader board and chat with players from around the world.

Check it out... SatoshiCircle.com...... that's Satoshi with an A circle.com.

The next big thing in Bitcoin gaming.

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Thanks for taking the time to check it out. Greatly appreciated! Any questions please feel free to ask.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: dirtycat on March 23, 2013, 03:59:00 AM

I love the sexy voice.. "Satoshi Circle" ;D

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: betafall on March 23, 2013, 04:05:00 AM

Quote from: dirtycat on March 23, 2013, 03:59:00 AM

I love the sexy voice.. "Satoshi Circle" ;D

Thanks! That's the very talented Stephanie Murphy. She also does the voice for our "How to Play" Video ......sexy indeed!

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: Nemesis on March 23, 2013, 06:24:36 AM

Is it provably fair? Show us, not just claim.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: betafall on March 23, 2013, 07:22:23 AM

Thanks for the feedback. Later today We'll post a video showing how to prove fairness.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: remotemass on March 23, 2013, 09:41:52 AM

Quote from: Nemesis on March 23, 2013, 06:24:36 AM

Is it provably fair? Show us, not just claim.

Would like to know about that, also. Is it?

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: etsoberano on March 23, 2013, 10:33:59 AM

Nice game im playing for 20 minutes XD

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on March 23, 2013, 11:15:50 AM

Quote from: remotemass on March 23, 2013, 09:41:52 AM

Quote from: Nemesis on March 23, 2013, 06:24:36 AM

Is it provably fair? Show us, not just claim.

Would like to know about that, also. Is it?

It is. Cool site.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: betafall on March 23, 2013, 01:17:21 PM

Thanks for the positive feedback. It is most definitely provably fair. We'll find a way today to explain it in the most layman of terms possible. I think a video showing the system is warranted.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: ShaTwo on March 24, 2013, 12:46:59 AM

Very nice site! Congratulations!

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: betafall on March 24, 2013, 04:51:00 AM

Thanks! Over 15000 spins in just over a day!

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: anzy on March 24, 2013, 06:12:36 AM

Glad to have some more visually-appealing games out there, thanks for this one.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: Hexadecibel on March 24, 2013, 07:35:50 AM

Does satoshicircle bloat the block chain in the same way satoshidice does? If not I would use that in your marketing. Are the transactions off-chain until you withdraw?

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: MPOE-PR on March 24, 2013, 12:58:05 PM

Quote from: betafall on March 23, 2013, 03:50:06 AM

How do I know you're not scamming me?

Any Bitcoin gambling that's not independently verifiable is broken. This is exactly the opposite of what this nitwit says:

Quote from: waitingforpizza on March 24, 2013, 07:35:50 AM

Does satoshicircle bloat the block chain in the same way satoshidice does? If not I would use that in your marketing. Are the transactions off-chain until you withdraw?

Unless you're "spamming the blockchain" it's not gambling, it's a scam.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: betafall on March 25, 2013, 04:15:04 AM

Guaranteed not to spam the blockchain. Only deposits and withdrawals go through the chain.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on March 25, 2013, 09:06:50 AM

Server not found. Hopefully not when someone deposited 50 btc or something and the site owner ran.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: dirtycat on March 25, 2013, 10:57:01 AM

Quote from: TradeFortress on March 25, 2013, 09:06:50 AM

Server not found. Hopefully not when someone deposited 50 btc or something and the site owner ran.

working for me

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: betafall on March 25, 2013, 06:35:14 PM

Check out our Daily Special #2 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1azjqt/daily_special_2_satoshicirclecom_well_fund_gaming/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1azjqt/daily_special_2_satoshicirclecom_well_fund_gaming/)

Title: Not provably fair
Post by: Yurock on July 07, 2013, 04:26:46 PM

Satoshi Circle game is NOT provably fair.

They use the following model:
1. The outcome of the game is fully determined by initial data in a way, known to the player.
2. Part of the initial data is provided by the player ("Client Seed").
3. For every possible variant of server's data, there exists a variant of player's data that makes player win.
4. The server proves that it didn't change its data after the player revealed his part of the initial data.
5. After the game, the player can compute the outcome himself and verify that it matches the actual outcome of the game.

I will show that the outcome is determined in an unknown way, which invalidates the provision (1).

Here is an excerpt from the algorithm published by Satoshi Circle:

Code:

function seedShuffle( $items, $seed ) {
   
    if (is_numeric($seed)) {
        $seedval = $seed;
    } else {
      $seedval = crc32($seed);
    }

   srand($seedval);

   for ($i = count($items) - 1; $i > 0; $i--) {
      $j = @rand(0, $i);
      $tmp = $items[$i];
      $items[$i] = $items[$j];
      $items[$j] = $tmp;
   }

   return $items;
}

This function is central in determining the outcome. It uses PHP functions rand and srand. The underlying PRNG algorithm has roughly as much influence on the outcome as the initial data.

This is the implementation of rand in PHP 5.5.0 (ext/standard/rand.c):

Code:

PHP_FUNCTION(rand)
{
        long min;
        long max;
        long number;
        int  argc = ZEND_NUM_ARGS();
        
        if (argc != 0 && zend_parse_parameters(argc TSRMLS_CC, "ll", &min, &max) == FAILURE)
                return;
        
        number = php_rand(TSRMLS_C);
        if (argc == 2) {
                RAND_RANGE(number, min, max, PHP_RAND_MAX);
        }

        RETURN_LONG(number);
}

Code:

PHPAPI long php_rand(TSRMLS_D)
{
        long ret;

        if (!BG(rand_is_seeded)) {
                php_srand(GENERATE_SEED() TSRMLS_CC);
        }

#ifdef ZTS
        ret = php_rand_r(&BG(rand_seed));
#else
# if defined(HAVE_RANDOM)
        ret = random();
# elif defined(HAVE_LRAND48)
        ret = lrand48();
# else
        ret = rand();
# endif
#endif

        return ret;
}

As you can see, it uses one of 4 possible PRNG functions. Which one is actually used, depends on the PHP build. One of the back-end functions, rand (as defined by C standard), has implementation-dependent algorithm.

So, we have many possible PRNGs, and in fact, many different algorithms for computing the outcome.

How it theoretically can be used by Satoshi Circle to cheat. Suppose, a player makes one large bet, and it is his first bet. After the player discloses his "client seed", the server tries several PRNGs and uses one that gives the worst outcome for the player. Then Satoshi Circle claims that it is "the" PRNG they use.

Also, even if PRNG algorithm was known to the player, it is still difficult to verify the outcome.

1. When I try to select the hash of the server data to copy-paste it, the "client seed" entry form pops up and the text that I try to select goes to background.
2. The scheme used to compute the outcome is excessively complex. There exists a scheme that would provide at least the same level of security for the Satoshi Circle and the player, do better randomization of the outcome, and is easy to compute by an average player.
3. To verify the outcome using the current scheme, the player needs exactly the same PRNG. It may be a considerable hassle to get one for some OSes.

That all discourages players from verifying the fairness themselves. Most will hope that someone else will find it out if Satoshi Circle is cheating.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: snuffish on July 20, 2014, 08:24:32 PM

I really liked this site! Just cashed out 0.3 BTC from my 0.01 BTC deposit :)

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: resya on July 20, 2014, 08:27:24 PM

Quote from: snuffish on July 20, 2014, 08:24:32 PM

I really liked this site! Just cashed out 0.3 BTC from my 0.01 BTC deposit :)

that's a lot man, congrats! how did you get that much, care to share your experience here ?

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: snuffish on July 20, 2014, 08:30:10 PM

Quote from: resya on July 20, 2014, 08:27:24 PM

Quote from: snuffish on July 20, 2014, 08:24:32 PM

I really liked this site! Just cashed out 0.3 BTC from my 0.01 BTC deposit :)

that's a lot man, congrats! how did you get that much, care to share your experience here ?

Yea, adrenaline were pumping man.. :)
Don't know really, incredible lucky and bet with a wager big enough so you could lose some spins in a row. Also take some huge risks sometimes :)

That's what I did.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: yaffah on April 05, 2015, 04:19:40 AM

Hello all, maybe you can help me. I just made a deposit, and I did it twice. Unfortunately, it is showing up. Has anyone had that problem? I kept refreshing the page as suggested, but it is still not showing up. I am open for any suggestions.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: SixChristoph on August 12, 2015, 11:58:29 AM

Quote from: yaffah on April 05, 2015, 04:19:40 AM

I have the same problem right now. What happened to you later?

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: JennySmith on November 11, 2015, 06:23:02 PM

The site stopped this morning.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: ObscureBean on November 12, 2015, 10:59:58 AM

Quote from: JennySmith on November 11, 2015, 06:23:02 PM

The site stopped this morning. I have some btc deposited but i can't withdraw it as server is off. Is my money lost?

I'd say you should probably write it off, I hope it wasn't a lot. OP hasn't been online since August 2014 and their Twitter account is inactive since around the same time. I highly doubt they will reach out to members who've still got funds there. But you never know.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: JennySmith on January 07, 2016, 09:57:34 PM

Quote from: ObscureBean on November 12, 2015, 10:59:58 AM

Quote from: JennySmith on November 11, 2015, 06:23:02 PM

The site stopped this morning. I have some btc deposited but i can't withdraw it as server is off. Is my money lost?

Thank you, the site started working but some bad things started to happen. I wrote about it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731924

Quote from: JennySmith on December 29, 2015, 09:36:42 PM

I won some BTC yesterday and i can't withdraw it. When i press "ok" nothing changes. And even after that i can't spin the wheel anymore. If i try to play using another account everything works fine.

Quote from: JennySmith on January 07, 2016, 09:53:36 PM

i have created a new Satoshi account, won more that 1 BTC, but after i try to withdraw it my NEW account stopped, wheel is not spinning and withdrawal can not be processed. Satoshi seems to be scam. I will keep you informed but be careful.

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: s@toshiClaims on January 13, 2016, 10:17:23 AM

Very nice website will deposit some coins to test it out :)

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: ub27 on January 13, 2016, 01:50:03 PM

could u pls give me a contact email adress?

Title: Re: SatoshiCircle.com Official Launch
Post by: coingamblingreviews on February 28, 2016, 05:56:54 AM

I guess the game has changed a bit since we made the last video review here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw93GXVbqYY ??

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