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ETC has already surpassed STEEM. Now it's time to go where it belongs, 2nd below BTC the king of crypto. ETH will go to third spot soon. Bailout chain will not survive this.

nice! good to see its much valuable this time and people love it. unlike the previous one ETH :)

Nobody cares.  It's 90% fake volume and price prop up.

It seems strange to listen and hear comments about how ETC will not survive when it looks pretty legit right now. Seems there is pretty much a 50/50 divide between ETC /ETH supporters so unless something crazy happens it seems that ETC is here to stay.

Apparently a lot of people care. Im sorry that you are still in denial about ETC, but it is very real. You ETH guys have been in denial since day 1 and you are now starting to come into terms as more and more people go from ETH to ETC. Nobody wants to run smart contracts in a blockchain that can hard fork over lost funds. Isn't it obvious how dumb that is?

Who wants to run smart contacts? Where are the applications? One guy selling 50 W of solar power in Brooklyn? For all the hype, I don't remember seeing much in the way of applications.

I'm not a fan of ETH due to the distribution model and promise to fork to PoS (and now hard fork stuff too), but I'm not really a fan of ETC either since it inherits ETH distribution (plus hacker has 10%), and I just don't see the application ecosystem developing for either fork.

It seems way overhyped and overpriced for having delivered almost nothing useful besides on chain provably fair ponzis, afaik.

But hey, I'm usually wrong, so you guys should probably go all in :D

1. I'm not an ETH guy, made some coin on the pump and got the fuck out.  Sorry to those are bagholding.  I missed most of the pump as I never expected such rise but i was able to play a bit.

2. I'm not an ETC guy, but who doesn't like easy btc?  IN AND OUT, took my original investment and will hold that to see if it moons.  I could not care less what happens to ETC.

3. Nobody wants to run ANYTHING on ANY ETC OR ETH LOLOOLOL, you're delusional if you think so.  Do you think if i show some CTO's from banks or corporations this shitshow they would take ETH or ETC seriously??? lol, no way in hell.  Queue wbb and 1ex to save the day AS USUAL  :D

4. After this gongshow etc and eth are now the dirty slut whore twin sisters that you would bang in high school back-to-back on different nights and not tell either of them (and they woudn't tell one another), cause they're whores, just like etc and eth...they are just whores now to use for more btc (oh wait that's most alt coins but maybe not all) LOL.

That is because the leadership was centralised in eth.

There will be calm after the storm.  That's when the real work starts.  You won't get much out of people at the moment.  Emotions are high, people fear uncertainty.  But it will settle.  Feel free to contribute to the Etherum Classic experience on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.0

But yes, you are right, we will all feel better when we are engaged in meaningful activity.  ;)

Things are not that simple , this coin has rised up surprisingly , and it is still moving up depending on the falling down of Bitcoin price , but sure this increasing has  limits , it is not like that coins which pump 400% in one or two days , to understand more read this : http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/08/02/ethereum-classic-price-technical-analysis-etc-topping/

The sudden rise has limits of course but if ETH bagholders are moving to ETC, I would simply assume ETC is going to be a mainstream compare to ETH.
And it will serve its purpose so long as it has value.

We live in interesting times. I like crypto this year. Much excitement, emotion, and spittle.

soon ETC will reach 0.01+ and eth 0.009 and they will still deny. mETH heads...

I hope I'm wrong but it looks like a perfect storm is brewing. BTC low, ETC high. If this remains, then ETC dump comes, followed by BTC rise again, then some people somewhere have made massive BTC profits while suckers have become ETC bagholders.

The ETC bagholders do not have to hold the bag for long, they can easily switch to another altcoin and make some profit there. It's possible.

Don't forget FUD  ..there has been plenty of that too i hear.

Anon is right ..SLUT !
I think i caught something :(

And YOU will too later ..an empty wallet.  :D

i am not surprised by this news.. you all wanted ETH to work so badly.
..smart contracts (APP's) LOL

Yes , it's a possible scenario ! ETC prices keep rising while bitcoin is going down .

Am I the only one that thinks people are going to jail for this? Glad I threw a hundred on ETC, but when it's discovered that the DOA exploiter was actually a member of the ETH team, that's when this experiment really fails. Again, this is not crypto.

Have you any link that supports this ?

Nope, just a thought. But it would be a great tactic to create a quarter billion dollars out of thin air. Especially when a year ago the project was cash poor.

Let's note the history then, right now, start of the August 3rd, Ethereum/BTC price is as follows:
1 ETC = 0.006 BTC    1 ETH = 0.014 BTC
The gap is decreasing time by time. If we ever see price equality that would be historic moment for whole crypto-currency world.

etc is keep on moving up from time to time reaching .006 range and positive reaction from investors joining the ride leaving the btc and eth at this moment, making the price to lower down, might be a perfect timing to still hold while the price still moving up,.

1 etc = 0.0058 btc

You're not listening, and I'm going to go fucking Spoetnik. This isn't crypto, these are stocks backed by millions of dollars by centralized entities. If you don't think the core ETH team is holding both tokens heavily to hedge, you're literally an idiot. This is the worst thing to happen to crypto since its inception. I fully believe the two tokens will equivalent in value soon...high jack millions of eth, split, increase the supply, mission accomplished.

It is good but it is going up fast with is not good.. going up slower a day is better so hope it is not a pump to sell the stolen etc

This is crypto-currency world and everything you said already done millions of times. It's not new, it won't end, get use to it. Value of all altcoins in long term is ZERO (0). Everybody try to take advantage and raise their BTC amount. That's all matters. Nobody cares about Ethereum or any other altcoin projects success.

Amen. This is what these ETC criminal coin clowns repeatedly fail to realise. All ETH hodlers have an equivalent ETC bag but we don't cheerlead the criminals coin ETC because we can see the damage they are doing to crypto.

LOL keep hoping you ETC criminal coin clown because that's exactly what it is. The DAO attacker is even moving his coins ready to dump across simultaneous exchanges. Have some gud fun with that.

huge etc dump

Yup. I've been saying it for the last two years. It's hard to get used to something that i thought was going to evolve human motivations and behavior. I'm so pleased to see humanity consistently let's me down.

Some people are making money that is all. Greed is powerfull fuel and hope that ETC will go over ETH blinded some brains.
And what is most fun it can be possible over time mayby not today becouse of ongoing project but leter ETC can be filled with some projects.

ETC holders not affected by the Bitfinex hack https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4vtuxo/bitfinex_security_breach_trading_will_be_halted/d61cjwa

I'm down with folks making money, just don't call it decentralized. Call a spade a spade. This whole game has mutated and actually regressed in my opinion... Which sucks because I don't have that many hobbies.

We are hearing now that Bitfinex hack was BTC and ETC wallets.

All information is coming from Zane Tackett on his reddit account. You're wrong......it's bitcoin that was stolen.

https://www.reddit.com/user/zanetackett?count=25&after=t1_d61qyzw

It is BTC that was stolen from Bitfinex, but some are speculating that the law says that all assets on Bitfinex will be hit proportionally:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1573507.msg15795468#msg15795468

if you own an exchange and got hacked of course you wanna make it worse like everything is stolen. I bet the real hacker was cursing the exchange the whole day for mentioning they've lost thousands of btc when they don't actually loss any. Bitfinex is going gox thats all.

I speculate that this recent price will not hold. Some traders will take profit at the first sign that there will be weakness. It has moved up very quickly and it makes it unstable because the buy support cannot catch up.

I speculate it won't stop until everyone has sold their ETH for ETC. This will accelerate as more and more idiots realize that if they don't sell ETH, they will lose all.

Fools are slow to act until they panic at the end.

Also you are underestimating the power of bull run vortex on crypto speculators. Crypto speculators tend to dive headfirst into opportunities to make a quick 300% gain.

ETH has no future because Vitalik proved the blockchain can't be trusted. If we want blockchains to remain immutable, ETC must win. I think Bitcoin supporters will make sure ETC wins against ETH.

I think the DAO benefactor hacker is likely profiting big time on  leveraged ETH shorts, while being leveraged long on ETC. So he can use proceeds to drive the price the direction he wants, while never needing to actually cash out of ETC.

Bitcoin investors would love to see ETC kill ETH. And if they can make money doing that, then it is a nobrainer.

It is just fluctuating price of ethereum classic and it is normal there is not special about that, and remember ETC is more younger than ETH. Always use rules of trading and don't too much make position buy or sell by opinion.

But there is an equivalent number of ETC in the Ethereum foundation's premine of ETH. Don't you think Vitalik will once again make a desperate move to save the fork by dumping all the ETC they can potentially have and buy ETH with it?

My estimated guess is he is naive but not that dumb (to think he can fight the market with certainty). Remember he did diversify and sold 25% of his ETH, having learned from holding BTC all the way down in 2014/5.

And if he does, then it will just be Vitalik destroying himself at the end, while the other fools have one more chance to sell ETH to Vitalik so he is left holding the bag.  :D

That is unless Vitalik can work some of his mesmerizing magic with his words, somehow deluding a large swath of people that he can create something for ETH that would justify the loss of immutability trustlessness of the blockchain. I don't think he can any more. He has played that card already. ETC can copy any open source improvements worth having. Some mETH heads might be thinking Ethereum is leaderless if Vitalik loses this battle, but I don't think ETC investors care. Speculators want to make a buck and if they can enforce correct ideology as well, all for the better. Perhaps some fresh opportunities for others to contribute on the concept of smart blockchains might spawn some new innovation that Vitalik et al didn't accomplish in 2 years. They were given $millions to play with and so it isn't like they didn't get theirs or weren't given every opportunity to perform.

I am hoping Vitalik will capitulate and join ETC and in more of a subservient (as in serving and honorable) role to the community. That would be the best outcome I think. The correct ideology would win, Vitalik would grow up, etc..

P.S. I am assuming the financial back of the price manipulator behind ETH will be broken. If that is not the case, then I guess we could ride a yoyo seesaw. I think perhaps this manipulator is hedging his options.

Vitalik claimed on twitter that he will not support ETC even if ETC becomes bigger than ETH. A lot of people in ETH are sheep with cult mentality over Vitalik and will follow whatever he says. I not only hope that ETC ends up winning this ongoing war so Ethereum stays as it was without the principles of immutability being broken, but to get rid of such a visible leader which by the way acted as a central banker by trying to stop all trades to stop people from freely selling their coins:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oif2x/dao_attack_exchanges_please_pause_eth_and_dao/


This is a piece of history that leaves Vitalik in a very bad situation. I cant believe he still gets support after this. For this I hope ETC crushes ETH.

@iamnotback you see, i wasn't wrong. You're a fud troll. You speculate on cryptocurrency because youre such a succesful developer. At first i was expecting more from you, but i was wrong. Any knowledge you may have it's used to speculate into cryptocurrencies, so all you are is : A fud dishonest jealous troll, especially when you saw vitalik and his team being ahead of their time breaking boundaries in the blockchain scene and you, because you're such a succesful developer, you feel helpless about it and all you do is spend your time here, fudding and speculating.
And why would vitalik support ETC? Are you a moron? They keep their word, they said they'll support the winning chain, and the victor was clear with 99% hashrate. That's it. Yes yes, a whale/s are pumping ETC to speculate on it with the motto " ETC is the new ETH" , they increased the price by pumping and some miners started mining on it because at some point it was more profitable (at 3$+ with very low difficulty).
Judging by your logic, if in 2 months a whale decides to build a 10million $ farm to simply to overtake ETH hashrate, the foundation should abandon ETH and go for ETC.Lol, you're a cretin. They have a higher moral ground than you, that;s not gonna happen

This feels a little snuggle cuddle stalkerish.

The point is, he was always wrong, ETH should have died 100 times by now because of irreparable flaws in it's core that only HE could fix, as he put it.

If you know that 100% for fact then why not get in and get out and take advantage whats happening?

Look this whole ETH/ETC thing, and the price being what it is right now, says to me that even a coin that faced a hard fork, dealing with blockchain issues and all the other stuff that is being spoken of that is going wrong with this coins Dev, peopel can still make money and the complainers sound like a broken record. Don't get me wrong, Its good that everyone comes on here and discusses their thoughts and shares an opinion (as I'm doing now) so we can figure out exactly whats going on.

Were all looking for the next BTC, but the Alt coin world is a casino,here are a million coins that come out everyday, dont get so personally attached, just focus on trading up. Make that money sell for BTC. Even with all the coins problems and the fact that i suspect a pump in play, I still made money off of it and  lost on my last 3 coins and made a killing on the 2 before that one. Just stay thirsty my brothers!

complaining about a pump in the alt coin worlds exactly like complaining about the odds not being in your favor in Vegas. I'm not saying its right I'm just saying its happened on at least 20 coins iv been suckered into and I still made money on a lot of them because of my healthy skepticism, every coin requires a certain amount of trust in the devs that I just do not have anymore.

That is all any coin is lol wake up BRO

ethereum classic has been performing very werll in the market and could really keep up with the rest of the list although everybody expected it to fail.

but we can clearly see that ETC is thriving and growing to the level of ETH and meanwhile ETH price is falling hard.

EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING!!! make your money and get out because this is the entirety this world, and anyone who thinks any different is an idiot #WakeUp

That is an insightful assessment. But I disagree that it would be good if Vitalik joined the original Ethereum classic. There is an argument that it is still his creation. No. He abandoned it and it has been now adopted by a small community that does not need the real father. It will be better that way so that he will have no way to corrupt it.

Charles Hoskison has declared that he will contribute in the original chain. What is your opinion on this? Is he someone that will be good for ETC?

I can't really understand how to follow this coin, it seems that the project keep fighting back and the community still aiming for its goal so support still coming better to join the ride if you have strong balls.

And today ETC is now 6th on coinmarketcap, always there are going up and going down (fluctuating). And it is good for traders makes money. So depend on to us how are way money from the fluctuating of price.

the thins is, etherum is a super manipulation coin so it is impossible for it to die this young when there are whales with endless pockets literary throwing their money at it by putting up huge buy walls to prevent the price to drop and we have seen in the past that the biggest altcoin exchange called poloniex is behind them when they go offline, block ethereum deposits and all other tricks to prevent the massive panic sells from happening.

I join the ride by mining the ETC when the profitability is higher than the ETH. Then I dump it for the ETH.

According to coinmarketcap  ETC still in the #5 in the coin market cap.. i think it will go further it will stay at 5th..
Or it will go down again back..

It will go back down. It's basically a slow moving crash. I'd sell.

of course the volume is not fake, etc is the only real ethereum right now and im buying into it to make some good profit in the future, im holding etc as a long term investment

I still don't understand what's happening with Ethereum... this break apart just serves to set people in disagreement. There should be only one ethereum!

But many other Ethereum developers declared that they will also only support the ETH, like Vitalik.