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Is it just me, or is it scammy as hell to keep orders that would've otherwise gone to first batch customers, who pre-paid over 8 months ago, and who have already been waiting 4 months past the original delivery date, just so you can upgrade your own operation's hardware?

I hope it's just me over reacting  ???


EDIT: This is from June 2012



The silver lining is that Josh believes in the ASICs enough to pay for some himself.

That begin said, should BFL fold, he'll be the first and possibly only one to get his money back  :P

How about BFL customer(s) tell Inaba off and tell him his 1000 chips are/were lost in the 1 wafer escapade that they sacrificed. He doesn't get one, not even 1.

Not only does he get off on saying that customers "pay him" through BFL orders....he also wants a part of the ASIC pie.

Sorry but this goes right back on the heels of him saying the company BFL (or it's peoples) would not be mining with that hardware on the Bitcoin Network....therefore driving up difficulty.

Holy heck, and he dares to call me a liar! Shit, he is the king of all trolls...and then some.

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A new low, as the drama continues...

Wow.. just wow.




NOT A BFL STAFF

Ahem. I have to correct you.

I am the KING OF ALL TROLLS.

Inaba/Josh is just a liar. Simple as that.  :D

Well, this is good news for BFL customers.
If they want a part of the chips for themselves they are somewhat some useful chips.

However, i find it hard to believe it. Reverse psychology applied to angry customers maybe?

So Josh ordered hardware when BFL announced their ASICS and so by definition is a batch 1 customer, it has also been knows since then that he did this and NOW you pick up on this information that has been available on this very forum since back then?

I'm not even sure if your are trying to troll BFL or the BFL haters at this point tbfh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO99nL_at0o

Nasty...

C'mon Josh, hook us up!

"First Batch" Shipping Plan (AKA 1/3 Shipping plan)
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/51-first-batch-shipping-plan-aka-1-3-shipping-plan.html

Seems legit. ::)

BFL never ceases to amaze.

Nothing to see here. This was known about since June.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155730.msg1666888#msg1666888

These aren't the ASIC units you are looking for

These aren't the ASIC units we're looking for


Josh can go about this business


"He can go about his business"

On one hand you're right (I'll edit the OP), in June he mentions that 2 minirigs will be put aside. Then he mentions that the number of shares will somehow double, but now he's being ambiguous about the number of chips being kept ["The number that will be in the "first batch" is kind of up in the air at the moment"], which leads me believe he's going to keep whatever he feels he can get away with to size down his FPGA mining operation.

If about 200 ASIC chips per mini rig...then about 400 (IF) he only takes two for himself.

Or about half a wafer of chips from the first batch. Or roughly about 10%.

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Supposedly, he has a conscience. So I assume this means he'd only be taking 2 minirigs worth.


Again I will point out, he stated no BFL employee nor BFL would be using the machines on the network. This flies in direct contradiction of his statements not to mine on the network.

People noticed days ago that there was a huge jump in the hashing rate of his Eclipse mining pool. Consistent with TH/s being added...supposedly. Then followed by someone effectively DDoS'ing his Pool and the BFL website.

How big was the bump in TH/s?? From that you can probably infer how many chips he took for himself.

I can also infer/suspect someone did not like the pool or BFL shotrly after the bump in TH/s...and the mystery DDos seems alot less mysterious....

Known or not....this is a big FU to every customer in my book.

Things went to hell with BFL's ASICs between June 2012 and March/April 2013. Delay after delay and wafers thrown out the window.

Just to put a cherry on top, the guy in charge of handling the schedule for ASICs at his company puts himself ahead of any of his own customers. Rather than being honorable and saying..."You know what? I have an order with BFL, <cough> and I will ship my own when every customer to date has his/hers. Sorry for the delays."

Instead he takes a good portion of the wafer, declines to state exactly how much of the wafer he took for himself, and ultimately begins hashing with them (apparently) before anyone else will. Thereby driving the profits into his own pockets and less into that of his customers.

The funny part of this is, (and I haven't read it yet), it sounds like he took in money in the form of shares in June 2012 for a device that didn't yet exist. Am I wrong about this?

What are the chances that he's mining with an Avalon?

Obvious COI is obvious.

To do the right thing, Josh either needs to step down from his BFL position, or fold this "Mining Company" idea.

He explicitly stated when he took the BFL position that he would not further expand his "mining footprint":

Lets say he does what you said, and doesn't set aside any chips for the IPO. Now a few customers get their chips a few weeks sooner, and it's a giant FU to all of those who bought into the IPO (which does not include me).

There's a limited amount of chips in the first batch. Not everyone can get their chips. Someone has to wait. Do they make the customers wait? The IPO investors? If Josh was getting a free MR just for his own personal profit, then I would be pissed.

After all that has transpired, do you really think such a thing is beyond him?

Well, then there is a question of which is the lie to honor.

It's true, he does do a diservice to his IPO customers. But then, they have the FPGA minirigs to tide them over for now.

He is directly in charge of the ASIC development project. (I use the term "directly" in a very...technical sense...not to be interpreted literally.)

So does his loyalty come first to his IPO clients outside his dealings with BFL (His Employer)

...OR...

with his Job as the ASIC developer and coordinator come first?

It's a tough call. Hobby or the Job. It appears he has elected to go with his Hobby.

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As for your other question, 400 chips are quite a few Singles, Mini-singles and quite a few Jaly's.

If I were him, I would put my Jobs customers first. The IPO guys within my side hobby and investment already have their FPGA Minirigs to tide them for  awhile. My Job's customers have nothing...except ample patience and desperation. Perhaps even some depreciating faith.

I should add, that if he does put his ASIC customers at his job first....then it is almost a no-brainer.

If the following is true, the delay for his IPO hardware upgrade is trivial.

---Batch 1 will ship soon.
---Batch 2 will ship soon after that.
---Batch 3 will ship with ample chips to satisfy everyone including his own orders.

If any of the above is not true, then it is perhaps best he punch his customers in the gut by taking his IPO upgrade hardware first. If the above is true....then what is a few weeks extra to conduct the IPO hardware related upgrades?

Where do you place the priority?

Only you can prevent scammy companies.  - Smokey the Bear


Everyone.  Remember these things that have transpired.  Keep them in mind for when the time is right.


Off topic.  How's that LOIC working?

Sounds like the IPO in the first place should have never been offered. It is in direct violation of his own promise to avoid a "conflict of interest".

Your quote is from after he already bought the rigs and IPOed.  August versus June.  As long as he hasn't expanded since August 1, 2012, he's keeping his word.

This thread is simply FUD.

Josh made the IPO of BFLS.RIG in June and ordered part of Minirigs SC in June and another part in July.
He was not working for BFL that time.

He started his work for BFL in August and he clearly stated he wouldn't expand the mining farm (buying additional ASIC devices) apart of fulfilling his obligations (getting what was pre-ordered as an upgrade to replace existing Minirigs and Singles).
He is not going to the start of the queue, he has to wait for his orders' numbers/dates to be ready, like everyone else has. What was cited in OP (Some of them are, not all of them. ...) just confirmed this.
So, the thread title ("BFL is keeping...") is false and very misleading.

Another thing: BFLS.RIG is quite small enterprise - most of the machines in the farm belong to other people (e.g. six rigs are Dark Ice's) and are only hosted by Josh, many of them temporarily. Inaba's part (real BFLS.RIG) is quite smaller.

...of that I have no doubt.

I prefer to see this as a new high, in the art of trollery.   :D

On which exchange do Inaba's TROLL.MINR shares trade?

I wish to support this kind of thing by investing!   8)

Where in the queue do you honestly believe Josh is positioned?

• Front
• Middle
• Back

I have a quarter clue, but I'll wait to hear from others before I announce my guess.

Neat. A thread with people who think that BFL has ASICs.
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/just-plain-weird-unbelievable-1065560_443_676.jpg

Well, he works there now, and you can argue the difference between "taking" and "keeping", but the fact is, he gets to decide how many he wants to take. How many other customers get to decide, long after placing their order, how many they actually want? Just the guy that works there.

This is a blatant and outright conflict of interest.

In a professional organization, Josh would be instantly fired for doing something like this.

Given that BFL is run by a convicted felon, should it really surprise anyone that one of his underlings is operating with questionable ethics as well ?

RHA,

An authoritative answer....considering you don't even know nor seem to have inside knowledge.

So go ahead, tell us what the order numbers are and how many there are...?

No other customer is going to be asked to take less than their total order (Giga ordered 4 Mini-rigs on day 1).  Josh is in a fairly unique position in that he'd ordered by 26 June but people are going to be upset if he takes all units he upgraded out of the first batch.  Josh is the only customer who's going to be expected to take less from Batch 1 than what he actually ordered.

Josh and giga get the first minirigs? It's like a scammer celebration...has pirate been notified? :D

I don't really have anything to add to this, other than what Repentance said.  This is just one more lie from one Yajaira D Guevara, aka PueroLibre.  If anyone else wants to step up and take a less devices than they've already ordered and paid for, then by all means speak up.  Somehow, I suspect, I will be the only person in the world to take less BFL devices than they've already paid for by choice.  All of my orders were placed on June 23rd.  

What's really funny is Yajaira supposedly doesn't have a preorder with BFL, yet he's the most keen on the happenings of BFL.  I wonder why that is?  Basically everything that comes out of Yajaira's posts are lies.  He's been caught in numerous lies and continues to spew them, but hey, whatever.  Living in the shithole hovel (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1322+W+Commerce+St+San+Antonio,+TX+78207-3510&hl=en&ll=29.426638,-98.509685&spn=115.109638,348.75&sll=29.426331,-98.509732&hnear=1322+W+Commerce+St,+San+Antonio,+Bexar,+Texas+78207&t=w&z=3&layer=c&panoid=Z6UHEbqIW8K5TcZdqCyRxA&cbll=29.426638,-98.509685&cbp=13,-172,,0,0) that he lives in, I would be angry with the world, too.

Joshua R Zerlan
18400 Juniper Ter
Gardner, KS
Age: 35-39

http://www.411.com/name/Joshua-Zerlan/Kansas-City-MO
https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=18400+Juniper+Ter+Gardner,+KS

 ::)

P.S. Old data....etc etc

 So how's that testing coming along ?

 Sharpening up the sword to commit seppuku ?

mmm Popcorn...  ;D

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1443-josh-taking-asics-batch-1-mine-his-own-mining-company-5.html#post20275

Not hardware related. geesh.

At this point he has been caught in so many lies that I wouldn't believe him if he said it was Friz.

If he says it (and if it were false) who would know the difference?

I just doubt what he says is true. A while back he said more than one blatant lie and he still went forward and said so. So I think that is personal proof that he is walking talking bullshit on legs.

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Now moving on, Yes, he confirmed he is taking 400 chips or about half a wafer. So there you go. Out of the mouth of Josh comes a confirmation about it.

Sorry about that. I think both posts ought to be removed in this food fight.

Please, by all means, point out where I've lied.  I have posted incontrovertible proof that you have lied numerous times and supplied links to your lies.  You have yet to provide a single, solitary link to anything I've supposedly "lied" about... but that's just one more lie you've made.  Out of the hundreds or thousands you've posted now, what's one more, right?

Josh, you really don't understand why these people are angry with you? Keep the chips, don't keep the chips. It won't really matter. Eventually, you and those greedy inept clowns you work with will get sorted out when the attorney general and the USPS comes knocking on your door for wire fraud.

BTW, just in case anyone else needs it - here is a link to the Kansas AG's website where you can file a complaint and request a consumer protection investigation: http://ag.ks.gov/contact-us/file-a-complaint

For once, without being an a-hole, could you give some sort of update on the damn product?

I had been thinking about purchasing from your company if/when you ship, but all I see you do is poorly represent your company. Why would I buy from you? You won't tell anyone when these ASICs will be ready, but instead pick on them and dox their houses. I understand you have bad history with a lot of these people but when I google "BFL ASIC scam" ....a common type of search potential customers will do.... the first hit links to a bitcointalk thread where you come off as a dick. There more one searches here the more you and your company's reputation is cemented. And no, I won't use the BFL forums. If I don't know if i can trust your company/product, I won't trust your controlled forum. Hence the utility of third part forums such as this.

 Take over the conversations by being honest, respectful, and informational and you will every time.

So, convince me to become a customer.

Hey Josh, seriously man, I'm new to the Bitcoin scene and I don't know you from Adam.  But the fact that the company you work for has been constantly missing product ship dates...  I dunno, looks shady as hell.  I'd love to order a Single, but man, why not post some kind of proof BFL actually has a product they are testing?  If you are actually testing pre-release hardware, show everyone and shut them up.  This whole fiasco reminds me of the Infinium Labs/Phantom console debacle.

Sorry man but your fucking up big time. You have a great deal of customers waiting  for a long time for whatever you are selling and to keep some chips off the table to satisfy your needs is just plain ugly. You need to put your customers first.

Damn It! You need to empathize with your customers. You do realize that your paying customers are feeling the same need to mine as you do. They are the reason why you have those chips. To take them off the table is stealing their funding of research and applying them to your needs.

Time to man up and put the needs of your customers over your own.

I hope you can understand that Josh.