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Title: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: revo999 on August 03, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Hong Kong-based digital currency exchange Bitfinex said it had suffered a major hack

http://satoshibonus.blogspot.com/2016/08/theft-of-bitcoin-worth-65m.html



Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: eann014 on August 03, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
I've search it and the last time i saw they stole $75 million already, and I think Bitfinex is now offline. I think investigation is ongoing and what account they have stolen of the amount of $75 million. This is a bad news for us. Now BTC currency is now going down.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Labumi on August 03, 2016, 12:21:21 PM
Yeah, this is indeed the worst news on finance bitcoin. But this will not make the bitcoin became a currency abandoned, because the benefits offered far more satisfying than other currencies. I think if this occurs because security bitfinex are not good and they do not perform the update security system periodically


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Novep on August 03, 2016, 12:22:27 PM
Guys I've found some slack group and they are preparing petition for bitfinex, you can find them here - bitpetition.herokuapp.com (http://bitpetition.herokuapp.com)

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We, the undersigned customers as the main creditors of the cryptocurrency trading platform bitfinex.com, demand to immediately provide all the information about the state of affairs on the exchange.
Also, we strongly expect bitfinex.com to present the confirmation of the damage, and the conditions and timetable for the return of customer funds. We require that this process and all the actions of the platform were open and transparent.
We are willing to contribute in any possible way to recover the funds and hope for the best resolution for all parties. However, in case of failure to meet these demands, we will file a class action lawsuit against bitfinex.com.

Sounds reasonable to me


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: mindrust on August 03, 2016, 12:24:03 PM
That's old news.

That thing happened centuries ago. Wake up dude. I guess it is the morning time in China right now?

The stolen amount is close to 12k btc and that makes nearly 66m$ if you take 1btc=550$


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Traderbtcc on August 03, 2016, 12:27:50 PM
Sad news for bitcoin community and also hot news.Road to the moon got a break by this hack.People who bought first time bitcoin not going to buy bitcoin again.Really bad effect on bitcoin.I don't know why they're not more careful as their security was already questionable.This is why some governments still banned bitcoin.

I don't if it will take more than months to recover what i know i lost some bucks because of bitcoin.I hope people won't be panic and sell.Now our right move will be don't sell at loss and hold tightly !


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: revo999 on August 03, 2016, 12:28:10 PM
That's old news.

That thing happened centuries ago. Wake up dude. I guess it is the morning time in China right now?

The stolen amount is close to 12k btc and that makes nearly 66m$ if you take 1btc=550$

I just woke :P


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Vaccinus on August 03, 2016, 12:28:22 PM
it will recover, buy more


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on August 03, 2016, 12:29:29 PM
This is a bad news for us. Now BTC currency is now going down.

Why is it going down if 100k+ BTC are removed from the trading?


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: ebliever on August 03, 2016, 12:31:44 PM
This is a bad news for us. Now BTC currency is now going down.

Why is it going down if 100k+ BTC are removed from the trading?

If it's stolen it most likely will be sold as quickly as the thieves can pawn it off on someone, not "removed from trading" but the exact opposite. And if it is not, the threat of it being dumped on the market at any time has a depressant effect on the market.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on August 03, 2016, 12:34:29 PM
If it's stolen it most likely will be sold as quickly as the thieves can pawn it off on someone, not "removed from trading" but the exact opposite. And if it is not, the threat of it being dumped on the market at any time has a depressant effect on the market.

So you claim that AML laws are easy to bypass? That blockchain grants anonymity? Any other cases when someone sold that much of stolen BTC and walked away?


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: xhomerx10 on August 03, 2016, 12:48:43 PM
If it's stolen it most likely will be sold as quickly as the thieves can pawn it off on someone, not "removed from trading" but the exact opposite. And if it is not, the threat of it being dumped on the market at any time has a depressant effect on the market.

So you claim that AML laws are easy to bypass? That blockchain grants anonymity? Any other cases when someone sold that much of stolen BTC and walked away?

 Perhaps the thieves are associated with a casino or some other "legitimate" business with cash flows in the millions already.  AML laws are geared toward the little guy who might try to evade taxes.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: ObscureBean on August 03, 2016, 12:56:05 PM
Hacks are not the end of the world as long as Bitfinex doesn't pull a Mt Gox on us. They need to remain transparent and find an agreeable solution for all parties in case they can't get the BTC back. People understand that no exchange is 100% safe from hackers. It's good to see the price climbing back up in the midst of this mess, we're $20 up from a few hours ago :)


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: ebliever on August 03, 2016, 12:57:52 PM
If it's stolen it most likely will be sold as quickly as the thieves can pawn it off on someone, not "removed from trading" but the exact opposite. And if it is not, the threat of it being dumped on the market at any time has a depressant effect on the market.

So you claim that AML laws are easy to bypass? That blockchain grants anonymity? Any other cases when someone sold that much of stolen BTC and walked away?

I guess this is a bit much for a LocalBitcoins transaction to unwind ("Just back up that semi full of cash next to my tractor-trailer..."), but you've been around long enough to know that people get away with this stuff, at least for the short-term, all the time. This is just a question of scale.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Quantus on August 03, 2016, 12:59:30 PM
Guys I've found some slack group and they are preparing petition for bitfinex, you can find them here - bitpetition.herokuapp.com (http://bitpetition.herokuapp.com)

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We, the undersigned customers as the main creditors of the cryptocurrency trading platform bitfinex.com, demand to immediately provide all the information about the state of affairs on the exchange.
Also, we strongly expect bitfinex.com to present the confirmation of the damage, and the conditions and timetable for the return of customer funds. We require that this process and all the actions of the platform were open and transparent.
We are willing to contribute in any possible way to recover the funds and hope for the best resolution for all parties. However, in case of failure to meet these demands, we will file a class action lawsuit against bitfinex.com.

Sounds reasonable to me


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!  omg you made me piss myself. I have here their response.

Attention: Users of Bitfinex you have no rights, you have no standing, your money is gone, deal with it. You gave your money to an unregulated service provider in exchange for a worthless IOU. No lawyer however well paid can do a dam thing for you.

Go F$#@ yourselfs  sincerely the Owners and operators of Bitfinex


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: davis196 on August 03, 2016, 01:07:20 PM
Hong Kong-based digital currency exchange Bitfinex said it had suffered a major hack

http://satoshibonus.blogspot.com/2016/08/theft-of-bitcoin-worth-65m.html



So that`s why the bitcoin price decreased. :(

This is sad news for the bitcoin community.

Bticoin is still vulnerable. >:(

Perhaps the police will find and catch the hackers.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: BitcoinHodler on August 03, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
Guys I've found some slack group and they are preparing petition for bitfinex, you can find them here - bitpetition.herokuapp.com (http://bitpetition.herokuapp.com)

Quote
We, the undersigned customers as the main creditors of the cryptocurrency trading platform bitfinex.com, demand to immediately provide all the information about the state of affairs on the exchange.
Also, we strongly expect bitfinex.com to present the confirmation of the damage, and the conditions and timetable for the return of customer funds. We require that this process and all the actions of the platform were open and transparent.
We are willing to contribute in any possible way to recover the funds and hope for the best resolution for all parties. However, in case of failure to meet these demands, we will file a class action lawsuit against bitfinex.com.

Sounds reasonable to me


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!  omg you made me piss myself. I have here their responses.

Attention: Users of Bitfinex you have no rights you have no standing. Your money is gone for good, deal with it. You gave your money to an unregulated service provider in exchange for a worthless IOU. No lawyer however well paid can do a dam thing for you.

Go F$#@ yourselfs  sincerely the Owners and operators of Bitfinex   

this is sadly true.
this is the same story that always keeps happening with bitcoin. exchange after exchange go down and people start topics and websites one after another to petition but they get nowhere.

the most recent is cryptsy, who saw a dime after they ran away?


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: 7788bitcoin on August 03, 2016, 02:09:17 PM
When Mt Gox when bankrupt, Mark apologies, went to jail and now released on bail. Will the same thing happen to Bitfinex CEO?? With multisig cold wallet being hacked, this is very unfortunate... No evidence on the identity of the thief but I guess he/she/they must be someone very close to the operation of the exchange...


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Lay-z on August 03, 2016, 02:09:41 PM
what hack? Bitfinex has stolen 12k BTC from it's users, simple as that.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: mk3000 on August 03, 2016, 02:15:21 PM
it'll be very interesting for one of these hackers to eventually let people know how they did it. I know it won't happen, but I wound find reading something like that more exciting than any movie out there :)


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Nahl on August 03, 2016, 02:28:44 PM
Guys I've found some slack group and they are preparing petition for bitfinex, you can find them here - bitpetition.herokuapp.com (http://bitpetition.herokuapp.com)

Quote
We, the undersigned customers as the main creditors of the cryptocurrency trading platform bitfinex.com, demand to immediately provide all the information about the state of affairs on the exchange.
Also, we strongly expect bitfinex.com to present the confirmation of the damage, and the conditions and timetable for the return of customer funds. We require that this process and all the actions of the platform were open and transparent.
We are willing to contribute in any possible way to recover the funds and hope for the best resolution for all parties. However, in case of failure to meet these demands, we will file a class action lawsuit against bitfinex.com.

Sounds reasonable to me


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!  omg you made me piss myself. I have here their response.

Attention: Users of Bitfinex you have no rights, you have no standing, your money is gone, deal with it. You gave your money to an unregulated service provider in exchange for a worthless IOU. No lawyer however well paid can do a dam thing for you.

Go F$#@ yourselfs  sincerely the Owners and operators of Bitfinex
the owners has remove their responsibility from this situations and this is several times happened on exchange when their losing the funds because of hack and for the users this is could be terrible things and if other exchange follow these step when they got hacked i'm pretty sure nobody will trust  and save their funds to an exchange in the future


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on August 03, 2016, 02:39:05 PM
what hack? Bitfinex has stolen 12k BTC from it's users, simple as that.

Wasn't it 120k?


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: lite on August 03, 2016, 02:43:51 PM
what hack? Bitfinex has stolen 12k BTC from it's users, simple as that.

Wasn't it 120k?
Yeah it's 120k btc not 12k btc, i think if 12k btc were stolen it could've been recovered. it would've given all users a warning to never trade on bitfinex. :-\


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: xdrpx on August 03, 2016, 03:23:10 PM
Too bad so many bitcoins were lost in this hack. I believe I've read somewhere that CFTC regulations prevented them from using cold storage for storing bitcoins. This was really bad, and I hope that people who've lost their funds receive them back.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: yayayo on August 03, 2016, 04:05:07 PM
Too bad so many bitcoins were lost in this hack. I believe I've read somewhere that CFTC regulations prevented them from using cold storage for storing bitcoins. This was really bad, and I hope that people who've lost their funds receive them back.

Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that the Bitfinex users will receive back any significant amount - unless someone finds 100k+ BTC under his sofa... ;) The most realistic scenario for Bitfinex is bankruptcy. I doubt that it will be possible to find a buyer that will reimburse the losses. The amount is too high and the Bitfinex trading system has been now been proven to have security flaws. Nobody is going to pay $60m for that.

Even if the CFTC regulations prohibited cold storage that's no excuse for the security practice at Bitfinex. They could have used a proper multisig setup - apparently they did use multisig indeed, but they did not effectively oversee the safekeeping of the keys.

Now most likely another wave of media FUD will start, portraying Bitcoin as unsafe and a hacker's paradise. However I doubt the consequences will be as bad as after the Mt.Gox disaster, since the number of informed people is a bit higher now and the losses are less extreme. Hopefully all other exchanges will improve their security measures as a result.

ya.ya.yo!


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: RoommateAgreement on August 03, 2016, 04:22:51 PM
why do people keep saying 65 million.
bitfinex was hacked (or stole) 119,000 bitcoin which was nearly 75 million by the time of the hack. even with $600 it is 71.4 million.

Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that the Bitfinex users will receive back any significant amount - unless someone finds 100k+ BTC under his sofa... ;) The most realistic scenario for Bitfinex is bankruptcy. I doubt that it will be possible to find a buyer that will reimburse the losses. The amount is too high and the Bitfinex trading system has been now been proven to have security flaws. Nobody is going to pay $60m for that.

Even if the CFTC regulations prohibited cold storage that's no excuse for the security practice at Bitfinex. They could have used a proper multisig setup - apparently they did use multisig indeed, but they did not effectively oversee the safekeeping of the keys.

nobody is going to do anything for bitfinex sine they were just another unlicensed exchage site opperating without any legal license!

Quote
Now most likely another wave of media FUD will start, portraying Bitcoin as unsafe and a hacker's paradise. However I doubt the consequences will be as bad as after the Mt.Gox disaster, since the number of informed people is a bit higher now and the losses are less extreme. Hopefully all other exchanges will improve their security measures as a result.

the media is going to have a field day with their click-bait articles but i don't think they have any effect any longer.
and i also doubt that other exchanges will change anything. because it is not the first time a hack like this happened!!


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Amph on August 03, 2016, 04:45:51 PM
If it's stolen it most likely will be sold as quickly as the thieves can pawn it off on someone, not "removed from trading" but the exact opposite. And if it is not, the threat of it being dumped on the market at any time has a depressant effect on the market.

So you claim that AML laws are easy to bypass? That blockchain grants anonymity? Any other cases when someone sold that much of stolen BTC and walked away?

someone with many account on many exchange can easily dump a shit load of coin, no matter what law there are there, not to mention that it is easy to sell off-exchange as well

also he does not need to dump 120k to cause a panic dump, just 10k the remaining panic will be caused by the news itself


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: vero on August 03, 2016, 04:52:29 PM
This is true? how it could happen if they do not find there an act suspicious before it happens because I hear that there is demand for the withdrawal of $ 75,000 before it happens.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Hazir on August 03, 2016, 05:09:12 PM
Yet another serious argument to introduce global regulation and standardized laws & procedures for every bitcoin exchange.
Services like these should be regulated and at least security-wise with some general security precautions.
Comment of Bitfinex's staff when they claimed they don't use cold wallets is great example here.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Marvell1 on August 03, 2016, 05:11:25 PM
Yet another serious argument to introduce global regulation and standardized laws & procedures for every bitcoin exchange.
Services like these should be regulated and at least security-wise with some general security precautions.
Comment of Bitfinex's staff when they claimed they don't use cold wallets is great example here.

wow no cold wallets that cant be in this day an age has to be a joke


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: socks435 on August 03, 2016, 06:02:09 PM
This rediculious news that i seen right now its a large amount got by hackers but the price still staying at 500 value why they are not sell those all?
Or they are still holding some of them and sell it when the price of bitcoin will be increase..


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Come-from-Beyond on August 03, 2016, 06:40:29 PM
This rediculious news that i seen right now its a large amount got by hackers but the price still staying at 500 value why they are not sell those all?
Or they are still holding some of them and sell it when the price of bitcoin will be increase..

The hacker is not dumb to sell this or even next year. What for? To leave more trails?


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: Lionidas on August 03, 2016, 06:42:46 PM
This rediculious news that i seen right now its a large amount got by hackers but the price still staying at 500 value why they are not sell those all?
Or they are still holding some of them and sell it when the price of bitcoin will be increase..
Price is rebounding so damage done maybe not as bad as everybody think it was.
Give it time for all the news to come out before making any harsh judgments on the current price situation.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: bitcapitalist on August 03, 2016, 06:46:05 PM
Too bad so many bitcoins were lost in this hack. I believe I've read somewhere that CFTC regulations prevented them from using cold storage for storing bitcoins. This was really bad, and I hope that people who've lost their funds receive them back.

Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that the Bitfinex users will receive back any significant amount - unless someone finds 100k+ BTC under his sofa... ;) The most realistic scenario for Bitfinex is bankruptcy. I doubt that it will be possible to find a buyer that will reimburse the losses. The amount is too high and the Bitfinex trading system has been now been proven to have security flaws. Nobody is going to pay $60m for that.

Even if the CFTC regulations prohibited cold storage that's no excuse for the security practice at Bitfinex. They could have used a proper multisig setup - apparently they did use multisig indeed, but they did not effectively oversee the safekeeping of the keys.

Now most likely another wave of media FUD will start, portraying Bitcoin as unsafe and a hacker's paradise. However I doubt the consequences will be as bad as after the Mt.Gox disaster, since the number of informed people is a bit higher now and the losses are less extreme. Hopefully all other exchanges will improve their security measures as a result.

ya.ya.yo!

What if it was an inside job?


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: bitcapitalist on August 03, 2016, 06:47:47 PM
why do people keep saying 65 million.
bitfinex was hacked (or stole) 119,000 bitcoin which was nearly 75 million by the time of the hack. even with $600 it is 71.4 million.

Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that the Bitfinex users will receive back any significant amount - unless someone finds 100k+ BTC under his sofa... ;) The most realistic scenario for Bitfinex is bankruptcy. I doubt that it will be possible to find a buyer that will reimburse the losses. The amount is too high and the Bitfinex trading system has been now been proven to have security flaws. Nobody is going to pay $60m for that.

Even if the CFTC regulations prohibited cold storage that's no excuse for the security practice at Bitfinex. They could have used a proper multisig setup - apparently they did use multisig indeed, but they did not effectively oversee the safekeeping of the keys.

nobody is going to do anything for bitfinex sine they were just another unlicensed exchage site opperating without any legal license!

Quote
Now most likely another wave of media FUD will start, portraying Bitcoin as unsafe and a hacker's paradise. However I doubt the consequences will be as bad as after the Mt.Gox disaster, since the number of informed people is a bit higher now and the losses are less extreme. Hopefully all other exchanges will improve their security measures as a result.

the media is going to have a field day with their click-bait articles but i don't think they have any effect any longer.
and i also doubt that other exchanges will change anything. because it is not the first time a hack like this happened!!

They are based in Hong Kong so they could get in some trouble if this an inside job from them.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: n691309 on August 03, 2016, 06:51:43 PM
Really it's unfair too see how much the bitcoin price has dropped, I firstly though that only a small number of users were affected but seems that the entire exchange has been hacked? There is an updated from the bitfinex team that they are trying to trace the stolen bitcoins, but would they be able to cover the loss?


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: ImHash on August 03, 2016, 07:03:36 PM
I don't believe any hacker could easily take all the money and run away simple like that, it should have been some sort of inside job.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: naidray on August 03, 2016, 07:04:48 PM
The funny thing is that some newbie is trying to give out 1000BTC and is supposedly the Bitfinex hacker.

You can see more of it at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1574127.0, but he actually holds all of those funds.

The only question is if he is actually the hacker or not. The sad part is that even reputable users are posting on there trying to get the reward, but hopefully it ends up in good hands.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: chachaa on August 03, 2016, 07:13:16 PM
The funny thing is that some newbie is trying to give out 1000BTC and is supposedly the Bitfinex hacker.

You can see more of it at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1574127.0, but he actually holds all of those funds.

The only question is if he is actually the hacker or not. The sad part is that even reputable users are posting on there trying to get the reward, but hopefully it ends up in good hands.
I wonder if I can have it at least something in such a way to obtain. Really there are gullible people who catch his words.


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: forumaster on August 03, 2016, 07:19:40 PM
I opened bitcoinity to see the bitcoin graph of today and saw this:
https://i.imgur.com/oW72Bku.png
and now by reading this thread I understand why ...
Unfortunately, every time that there is a breach in a bitcoin website the price of bitcoin went down, probably were bitfinex hackers/owners who sold all stolen bitcoin..  :-\


Title: Re: Bitfinex - lost 65m (£49m) in HACK
Post by: The One on August 03, 2016, 07:26:14 PM
Anyone can set up an exchange. Build up the company. When one has millions in cryptocurrency, steal it and pretend it was an hacker.

One after another, exchanges rises and falls, due to 'hackers.'

Is it true?

Time to consider that it may all be an inside job.