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Title: Gambling loopholes
Post by: pcoin on August 07, 2016, 10:02:29 AM
Is there any loophole in gambling, it could be sport betting, casino etc, any idea?


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: olubams on August 07, 2016, 10:33:17 AM
Is there any loophole in gambling, it could be sport betting, casino etc, any idea?
The only loophole anyone can get is to exploit the weakness in the security apparatus of the site and this is for the super hackers definitely not someone like me,. The other loophole is to do a careful study of the platform to understand the trend of timing or rolling that will take a long time though as well as its still subject to chance as nothing is certain. But merely looking at betting, there is no loophole as far as I am concerned... My opinion though...


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Barbut on August 07, 2016, 10:39:47 AM
Loophole in sports is when you know which games are fixed. There is many incidents relating to match-fixing in football and other sports. If you have some informations about it, that would be a good way to earn a lot of money.

I don`t believe casinos have loopholes, or some flaws. Only thing that can be similar to that is some strategies that you can find to buy here on forum, or on some other place on internet. Personally I don`t believe in such thing, I have my own strategies and plans with gambling games. I enjoy in creating my own systems.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: NorrisK on August 07, 2016, 11:00:33 AM
Casino games definately do not have loopholes. Otherwise casinos around the world would not exist anymore.

Especially in digital games, stuff like counting cards to increase your odds are not possible anymore as decks can be reshuffled after every game and the number of decks can be much higher.

In sportsbetting you can get an edge by knowledge, but that's about it.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: LegitPoker on August 07, 2016, 11:09:26 AM
sports arbitrage can be done but they are not easy to find and do not last long as when they occur, people jump on them fast and it changes the odds the where its not an arbitrage bet anymore


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: PeRo on August 07, 2016, 11:10:00 AM
Casino games such as dice or slots do not have any loopholes, but there was a time when you.could use a script on PrimeDice or some other dice site to win almost every bet, it is patched now though. In gambling in sports the only loophole is if you now which matches are rigged and have someone that will know the results.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: SAMKUSH on August 07, 2016, 11:10:46 AM
Although this is definitely not a loophole you could use it to profit from gambling with bitcoin. If you try sports betting you can use knowledge of previous events to help determine the outcome, by doing this you could successfully earn bitcoins from this.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: trafficolaa on August 07, 2016, 11:13:42 AM
Casino games have no loophole except for only few people who exploited their system and find the security hole to make guaranteed profit, but 99.99% players are losing their money with very smart chance to win, in sports betting we can take some advantage of our knowledge and some research but there is no loophole in this format too.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: hua_hui on August 07, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
Most of the games are designed in such a way there is no loopholes. It is fully calculated with probability so that you wont have an advantage against the house. However, for games like sport betting and pokers where you are gambling with the others, even with the existence of house edge, you still can increase your chance of winning by having good skills.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Herbert2020 on August 07, 2016, 12:28:56 PM
Is there any loophole in gambling, it could be sport betting, casino etc, any idea?

if there were any loopholes, cheats, exploits or anything else you want yo call it, existed in gambling then they would never be published publicly because if everybody knows it then it is useless and the casino can easily patch it.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Sarthak on August 07, 2016, 12:52:43 PM
For sports betting, match-fixing is the loophole. However, the system rarely looses and it's not the system you will be cheating if you bet on fixed matches but you cheat on players similar to you.

For dice sites, there are no weakness but you might find an exploit which could make you win every time by allowing you to calculate the outcome of the next bet(thats how robinhood scammed primedice). But you should have knowledge of how things work.

Betting on sports by analyzing the past results might provide you with a small edge but if you choose the stronger team, the odds will always be low. So, that doesn't make much difference in my opinion



Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Jemzx00 on August 07, 2016, 01:24:12 PM
Somehow, Yes, Since most new accounts are most high chance of wining on dice game. This is based on my experience and you whenever you make  a new account, it must be on another ip address since i think this is where gambling site detect if people are making alot of account.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: angryswamp on August 07, 2016, 01:25:42 PM
Is there any loophole in gambling, it could be sport betting, casino etc, any idea?
you will always lose money in gambling there are no loopholes that would allow you to win


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Phildo on August 07, 2016, 02:23:39 PM
A well designed website/game won't have any.

If you put in effort via multiple sites and/or betting exchanges, you may be able to find some arbitrage situations where you can't lose in betting on sports, but this is extremely difficult because you are not the only person trying to do this.

The best "loophole" is to discover that casinos and betting websites didn't get built by accident, they got built to make money. Once you recognize that and are prepared to lose most of the time you can find a game where you get some enjoyment out of playing with a "chance" to win, you will have a much better gambling experience.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: lionheart78 on August 07, 2016, 05:40:28 PM
There are some glitches sometimes, which is exploitable.  Every program has it if not done properly.  You are lucky if you fine one though.  Another thing is the matches between sports.  If you have a connection inside the management, sometimes the game is fixed and you will be lucky if some tips you about it.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Hugroll on August 07, 2016, 06:18:11 PM
Is there any loophole in gambling, it could be sport betting, casino etc, any idea?
think about it, if there was a loophole to somehow always win at casinos. then the casino wouldnt be making much money. and after they notice that they arent making enough money they would find the loophole.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: SyGambler on August 07, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
Somehow, Yes, Since most new accounts are most high chance of wining on dice game. This is based on my experience and you whenever you make  a new account, it must be on another ip address since i think this is where gambling site detect if people are making alot of account.

this doesn't make sense , saying that is basically saying that dice sites are rigged
if you have an account with previous 1,000,000 bets or you have just started and you are about to make your very first bet the odds won't change
this is one of the many fallacies in the gambling world


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: unholycactus on August 07, 2016, 06:55:55 PM
Somehow, Yes, Since most new accounts are most high chance of wining on dice game. This is based on my experience and you whenever you make  a new account, it must be on another ip address since i think this is where gambling site detect if people are making alot of account.

this doesn't make sense , saying that is basically saying that dice sites are rigged
if you have an account with previous 1,000,000 bets or you have just started and you are about to make your very first bet the odds won't change
this is one of the many fallacies in the gambling world

Could apply to sites that aren't provably fair. Anecdotal evidence should be dismissed regardless.
@OP, unless you are running the site or exploiting a bug that hasn't been fixed, there isn't any.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Rubberduckie on August 07, 2016, 08:39:42 PM
the only loophole thats not full on illegal hacking or cheating is Arbitrage.

Finding sportsbooks with odds that differ. I know a few people that
do this. They will take a team +3 at one book because another book has
pk -120. So now they have a chance for it to land in the middle and win
both bets when just risking the juice. But you need many outs and you constantly
have to be checking for a edge / middle so its work.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: PeRo on August 07, 2016, 09:04:57 PM
There is another kind of 'loophole' or 'cheat' I just thought of. You can learn counting cards to get better chances of winning in a game of BlackJack or Poker. The method is legit and not really 'ilegal' and it is not considered as cheating. But casino owners will kick you or ban you from the casino if they catch you and they have full rights to. Of course, I mean on physical card games, I am not sure if you can somehow cheat in digital Poker or BlackJack.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: European Central Bank on August 07, 2016, 09:24:23 PM
I seem to remember that adam guerbez guy putting up an insane loophole that was allowing people to get 0.5 btc with no risk. proper loopholes only have a finite amount of life and the chances are most people wouldn't share them with you.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: funbarrel on August 07, 2016, 09:56:04 PM
I seem to remember that adam guerbez guy putting up an insane loophole that was allowing people to get 0.5 btc with no risk. proper loopholes only have a finite amount of life and the chances are most people wouldn't share them with you.
well it is good for the people who made profit for it though i dont think that it is a legal thing to do because it is something just like robbing or so


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: European Central Bank on August 07, 2016, 10:02:44 PM
well it is good for the people who made profit for it though i dont think that it is a legal thing to do because it is something just like robbing or so

that's an interesting question. is making bank via a loophole theft? I dunno if it qualifies as obtaining by deception but I guess you are knowingly exploiting a flaw.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: SyGambler on August 07, 2016, 10:17:56 PM
I seem to remember that adam guerbez guy putting up an insane loophole that was allowing people to get 0.5 btc with no risk. proper loopholes only have a finite amount of life and the chances are most people wouldn't share them with you.

please don't tell me that you believe that guy , he is just a referral junk
his primedice videos are the main proof , he only uploads videos where he ends winning and he says that he wins everytime with his methods
of course some newbies believe him and use his referral link then booom suddenly they have no money



Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: European Central Bank on August 07, 2016, 10:20:30 PM

please don't tell me that you believe that guy , he is just a referral junk


never tested anything from him, I just saw the videos mentioned. he does seem like a scumbag in general. your explanation does make a lot of sense.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: bithasher on August 08, 2016, 11:57:35 AM
What is most seen in newly launched gambling site is some bugs which people exploit to cheat the script. This is what you can call loopholes in casino gambling games but there is no guarantee that you will be paid the winning amount if there is some prove of exploitation. Sports betting where many loopholes are in different in shape of match fixing which is at high level not for gamblers like us.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Daffadile on August 08, 2016, 04:37:54 PM
Is there any loophole in gambling, it could be sport betting, casino etc, any idea?

Do you think that someone who knew of a loophole would ever tell you ? Why even ask such a question when the answer is clearer then day. THere are loopholes and if people find and take advantage its because they clever and it's a mistake of the casino. Of coarse casinos love to cry when people take their money but when they stealing or making money its completely. So if you take advantage of one good for you. You used your brain to beat the house. Maybe the casino should make sur ethis won't happen instead of moaning about it.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: razor5cl on August 08, 2016, 04:47:03 PM
As others have said, no one is going to share this kind of thing with you for free. If you look in the right places maybe someone will take money in exchange for a "safe method" of earning coins somewhere, but again you're probably going to get scammed here.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: ajaxmoor on August 08, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
I didn't go through the entire thread, so sorry if this is already mentioned. There is a loophole in sportsbetting, and its called Arbitrage. You basically get different odds on different sites, so you bet opposites on different sites and this allows you to get a small profit out of the outcome, and the outcome doesn't matter here.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: shanem on August 08, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
The only legal loophole is arbitrage betting in sports gambling. It means taking advantage of the odds in different sportsbook.
However, you need a large capital and can only make a few percentage in arbitrage. The opportunities are few as many of the sportsbook have similar odds.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: pcoin on August 10, 2016, 02:58:27 AM
That is correct about sport and fixed odd arbitrage and i learnt about it sometimes ago but what are the people selling one gambling method trying to sell apart from loophole and i guess that answer the question of why i asked.
If there are no loophole all the theory of martingale will be baseless, loophole is not illegal and not to hack or break into the gambling system but to design settings that could earn you profits.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: mk3000 on August 10, 2016, 03:06:50 AM
I've been reading about "matched betting" which is supposed to be a no risk method where you have guaranteed winnings, but it seems like a somewhat complicated, and requires investing plenty of time. I haven't done much research yet, but I'll give it a try soon and if it works, report back


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: pcoin on August 10, 2016, 03:36:03 AM
I've been reading about "matched betting" which is supposed to be a no risk method where you have guaranteed winnings, but it seems like a somewhat complicated, and requires investing plenty of time. I haven't done much research yet, but I'll give it a try soon and if it works, report back
That would be great, please is there anywhere i can read more about this matched betting? Though we are still expecting feed back from you.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 10, 2016, 03:49:16 AM
You want the easiest, laziest way to make money, the one that sucks all the fun out of gambling--and there are none that I know of unless you have a talent for counting cards, or you can do stuff like in the movie Casino.  Signalling back and forth to your confederate at another table.  Is that what you're looking for, a way to cheat?  Or as others have suggested, bad code that you can exploit (also cheating)?

 Don't you even get any pleasure out of gambling?  Do you look for a source of sperm without the orgasm?  I'll never understand the sucker mentality on this forum.  It never gets old.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: TippingPoint on August 10, 2016, 04:03:34 AM
In poker, the loopholes of each player are called leaks.  

  • Against players who play too many hands, play fewer (better) hands
  • Against players who play too few hands, raise them preflop to win the blinds from them
  • Against players who never bluff, always believe them when they bet or raise
  • Against players who bluff too much, call them.

It is actually easier to identify these players when playing internet poker, than it is when playing live poker.  You can use your computer if you want to, or pencil and paper..

(from The Theory of Poker, by David Sklansky)

Pluck the pebble from my hand, Grasshopper.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Superhitech on August 10, 2016, 04:15:00 AM
I've been reading about "matched betting" which is supposed to be a no risk method where you have guaranteed winnings, but it seems like a somewhat complicated, and requires investing plenty of time. I haven't done much research yet, but I'll give it a try soon and if it works, report back

Here's information I found about matched betting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matched_betting):

Matched betting is a way of squeezing out the many free bets offered by bookmakers. All the bookies promote these offers (especially during big sporting events) to entice new gamblers to place bets with them.

It seems complicated, but I'm sure with practice it can be done. However, I don't know how much time and effort is needed to pull this off, not to mention that if this is a well known method, it's possible that casinos might cover this loophole.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: fulgdenea on August 10, 2016, 12:19:25 PM
Definitely every person looking for loophole in gambling but I don't think there is any safer method to play, in fact we put our money on very high risks even betting on strongest teams too, we can't deny this reality of gambling it always suck in every form of it.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: grim007 on August 10, 2016, 01:30:13 PM
Definitely every person looking for loophole in gambling but I don't think there is any safer method to play, in fact we put our money on very high risks even betting on strongest teams too, we can't deny this reality of gambling it always suck in every form of it.

Of course. There's no guarantee on betting that's why we gamble. And the casino owner established their gambling site to get profit on casino player.. loopholes is on gambling is just temporary, sooner or later the owner find out it always because of unexplainable profit of player.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: coin_gambler on August 10, 2016, 01:49:26 PM
Definitely every person looking for loophole in gambling but I don't think there is any safer method to play, in fact we put our money on very high risks even betting on strongest teams too, we can't deny this reality of gambling it always suck in every form of it.

Of course. There's no guarantee on betting that's why we gamble. And the casino owner established their gambling site to get profit on casino player.. loopholes is on gambling is just temporary, sooner or later the owner find out it always because of unexplainable profit of player.
thats true, no one can be guaranteed how everything is going to turn out so all in all i dont think there are any loopholes though i might be wrong about it


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Anon_7716 on August 10, 2016, 01:52:37 PM
Definitely every person looking for loophole in gambling but I don't think there is any safer method to play, in fact we put our money on very high risks even betting on strongest teams too, we can't deny this reality of gambling it always suck in every form of it.

Of course. There's no guarantee on betting that's why we gamble. And the casino owner established their gambling site to get profit on casino player.. loopholes is on gambling is just temporary, sooner or later the owner find out it always because of unexplainable profit of player.
thats true, no one can be guaranteed how everything is going to turn out so all in all i dont think there are any loopholes though i might be wrong about it

Gambling has no guarantees over all we do, which can be gambling promised was a defeat or an addiction we have to accept when it lost control while doing gambling. Now everyone is wrong in understanding gambling, they thought that gambling can benefit. but the reality is the contrary


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: vitod on August 10, 2016, 02:01:47 PM
I don't know any loopholes in gambling exists or not but generally the more you play the more you loose.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: xuan87 on August 10, 2016, 02:10:24 PM
well i dont think there is any loophole in casino or in sport betting, that is why when the first they launch they give giveaway to try and to report any problems in their site and then the developer team will check the security and any flaw everyday to make sure the site is perfect, so there wont be any leak of player information and keeping the player account secure


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: BTCLovingDude on August 10, 2016, 02:51:09 PM
loopholes means winning without honor and in a wrong way so casinos will soon find out that someone is exploiting their system and winning while using a loophole in the gambling.
be sure that they will do anything in their power to close those loopholes to prevent further winning for you which means preventing losses for them.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: buyinbtc on August 10, 2016, 03:10:48 PM
I don't know any loopholes in gambling exists or not but generally the more you play the more you loose.
of course no gambling loopholes exist, in my opinion the only way  you can make money with gambling is just with luck because of the house edge


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Superhitech on August 11, 2016, 05:41:44 AM
Another thing I thought of is you could try to be part of the house; why not invest in a gambling site? Not really a "loophole", but it is a way of bypassing the house; if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 11, 2016, 06:07:16 AM
Hello
Security loopholes in the gambling sites like PrimeDice had be exploited last year by a hacker named HufflePuff - you can know more about the incident form google search and on this forum itself.
If you can hack one of the these sites and steal their bankroll you will become a millionaire but also a thief.
Good Luck!!


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: LiQuidx on August 11, 2016, 07:38:57 AM
There used to be a site which compared the odds in sporting bets from a lot of booking sites and provided some bets that where you could bet on both teams (on different sites) and always have a profit. It was really small percentage but I consider this to be a loophole. I don't remember the site though.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: Roboabhishek on August 11, 2016, 09:35:41 AM
Casino games such as dice or slots do not have any loopholes, but there was a time when you.could use a script on PrimeDice or some other dice site to win almost every bet, it is patched now though. In gambling in sports the only loophole is if you now which matches are rigged and have someone that will know the results.

What kind of script to make every bet winnable on primedice ?

Never seen heard such kind of Script which you are talking of.
I have only seen scripts which take money out of players account :/


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: NorrisK on August 11, 2016, 10:06:05 AM
There used to be a site which compared the odds in sporting bets from a lot of booking sites and provided some bets that where you could bet on both teams (on different sites) and always have a profit. It was really small percentage but I consider this to be a loophole. I don't remember the site though.

Still this means there is only a loophole in the implementation of the gambling, not the gambling itself.

None of the well established gambling games have loopholes on the protocol level of the game. If a website does a stupid implementation or makes a mistake that allows people to interfere with the gambling protocol, than you it is not a gambling loophole, but a casino security flaw.

Best is not to look for exploits and just enjoy the games.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: BitcoinSupremo on August 11, 2016, 10:16:54 AM
There is no loophole in gambling as for example casinos have a house edge in games of chances where in the long run they will ensure they are always in profit. But flaws and loopholes exists even in gambling like almost everywhere else. A flaw for example is if you know some player of a certain team in lower divisions (usually the Balkans, Montenegro,Serbia,Albania, Macedonia fix their games sometimes) and if this player gives you insider information then this is considered a flaw as you already know the outcome of that event before its played.


Title: Re: Gambling loopholes
Post by: pcoin on August 11, 2016, 11:25:39 AM
There used to be a site which compared the odds in sporting bets from a lot of booking sites and provided some bets that where you could bet on both teams (on different sites) and always have a profit. It was really small percentage but I consider this to be a loophole. I don't remember the site though.
Hi, the name of such website is very important here because that is one of the important loophole in betting system, the amount of profit to be won will eventually depends of the funds you stake.