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Is it easier to convince an Employer to pay you in Bitcoin or is it easier to convince your local Store (where you buy your Food) to accept Bitcoin?
Did you already tried to do that? And if so how did you do it and with what results? 
 

I think it is hard to convince local store, because to do it, he needs a lot of customers that are using bitcoins.
In most countries, bitcoin isn't that popular. So it is just simply not worth it for them.

from real life experience. its actually quite easy to get retailers onboard. you just have to know who your talking to and what your trying to say to them. after all the very next day/week the retailer has fiat, so to them its no difference than accepting visa, mastercard, cheques or paypal.


but as for employers, due to taxes and accounting, trying to get a fiat business to hand its own staff bitcoin is a bigger headache and not worth changing their payment, tax and accounting routines just for one employee

though it not easy for both options...but I think if bitcoin is able to circulate or widely recognize as whole source of payment...I think only then it will be easy....

Neither is easy. Both employers and stores find it risky and not sure what their benefits would be. But if I have to choose I think that it would be much more easier toq convince the stores to accept Bitcoin as a one of payment options. They are more flexible then employers.

the best success for local stores is easy
set up a prepaid bar tab.
EG hand the business upfront enough fiat to cover them for a couple weeks(think bar tab) and tell them if ask to pay by bitcoin, just check the app (your website) to inform the customer how much bitcoin the total is. display the QR code (your bitcoin address) and when it says payment received let the customer leave with the 'cash' receipt, and take the fiat funds out of the "bar tab".
and you just refill the bar tab if it gets low.
no risk to the retailer as they already have the cash
later on they can set up professional services(bitpay/coinbase) and/or go solo after your introductory period.

no risk to retailer, no weird accounting process needed. not even needing to change anything on the cashier register, the cashier just rings it up as a cash transaction because the cash is already in the retailers safe.

but as i said trying to get an employer to mess around with business accounts, obtaining bitcoin and dealing with taxes.. well thats alot of work

I already trying to do that, like tell the employer to consider for accepting bitcoin in their store. but he said if in our environment is not enough users of bitcoin and why he must accept bitcoin? and he rejected it.

It's hard for me to choose 1, but I think need to be convince first the local store , if they already convince about bitcoin adoption and use it as a payment, accepting employee to pay via bitcoin will follow if they know that there are more use bitcoin in there country of course they want it to accept.

convincing someone to pay in BTC takes less risk for the individual needing to be convinced than convincing someone to accept it in stead of money

Both of them is difficult to convince, local store difficulty are: they need to convert their goods price from fiat into bitcoin and they need to change it everyday because the bitcoin price is changing everyday, and the other obstacle is the transaction speed confirmation
We always do financial management when we have source of income in this case is salary, we cant do financial management if the money we received each month is different

In some bitcoin companies/start-ups, there are paying btc as salary, so it is done already, but only a few. For most company Pay in BTC, it is difficult now.

to be honest i do not like this bar tab idea much. here is why.
you play the man in the middle. you are handling other peoples money.
this means you run a business and need to pay taxes, most likely some kind of licence and also receipts.
then there is also the risk, that the owner will just keep your money, because what do you want to do about it.
i do not see an incentive to go solo. the owner could just stop using bitcoin if you stop the risk free middleman service.
if you want people using bitcoin, then let them use it, do not do it for them.

I never tried it, but I believe Local Store is more likely to do that. Because it's a very important for an employer to accept Bitcoin, because if they accept Bitcoin then they also have to pay their employees with Bitcoin while not all employees willing to accept Bitcoin as their salaries. Well, I know that the store seller's profit is also important. But if a Store Seller accepts Bitcoin it doesn't mean that they can't accept other payment method, right? They can still accept fiat as the payment for their store. But if you mean that the employer

Both are difficult in this moment. Giving salaries and receiving money for goods you sell are regulated with laws. Its not something that employers or store owners can just decide to do in real life, and in every country. Maybe there is ways to manipulate with this laws, and maybe even to find some hole in the law, but that again depends from governments and state laws.
Its not going to be easy for many countries, there is free states, and places where people can be free to do many things, but also there is other side. I don't think this will be possible in every country.

i think both of these are having their own difficulties associated with them.

you employer may not want to even touch bitcoin because of taxes and being afraid of other things, and mostly because they are used to this system and never want to change.

as for the stores, they will resist accepting bitcoin as long as there is not enough users wanting them to do it, nobody wants to go through the problems of adding a new payment system and learning about it just to see nobody using it!

Interesting question.Both employers and local store merchants will accept bitcoin only if the bitcoin

price becomes more stable.What if you get paid a salary in btc and the next day bitcoin price does 25-30%

down?And what if you were a merchant and your revenues are in btc and the price does down?

at the time being many local store accept bitcoin specially in first world countries ,for big companies and employer they will accept to pay salary in bitcoin when we see full official government adaptation  

both aren't easy but the local store will be lesser hard,they'll catching wider area of payment option to increase their selling especially if they also opening a store in internet,the fluctuation is not going to be a problem because there's exist service like bitpay which will exchange the paid bitcoin to fiat directly at the same time

after a drop the price usually goes up again quickly and most of us expect a long term raise anyway. also there are some peaks where the price goes up a lot. over the course of one month or better a year this will even out i would suggest.

I think it is more easier to convice your boss to pay you in bitcoin , if he uses bitcoin to but if not he will be not able to pay you he pay you with digital currency which is using to pay some employes. And for local store some stores now are accepting bitcoin as a payment where they gonna do is to scan your bitcoin wallet and send your payments.

it depends on the "people" themselves, those who you want to convince to use bitcoin and also the people who are trying to do the convincing.

some people are just closed minded so they will resist adopting a new technology and will never do it no matter how much you try but some others would accept you with open arms.

also you should have the skills to show them how to start using bitcoin and why it is better for them to do it. and if you don't know it completely yourself then it would be a hard argument to win.

Much easier a local store! because they can spend coins in various situation in real life!
An employer should buy first btc (and then pay a little fees) need some adapt in the business books...
and even he can ask: why not exchange by your self?!

Employers are easier to be convinced  i think. Still, they will most likely to pay your salary in Btc from its current USD value. That's no different than buying bitcoin with your money.

Vendors can be convinced easily too if they think they will get more customers by doing so. Most of them convert their btc's to Fiat as soon as possible though.

Yes, I have the same thought as yours, because most employers are afraid of risks that bitcoin could bring and they are not as flexible as stores or just simply they do not trust bitcoin or even know about them, employers can hardly accept such a tricky suggestion like that.

and there is the problem
people want their own local store to accept bitcoin but are too scared to stand with their own local store and help them set it up. they think "someone else should do it" (quoting many other people from the past)
you do realise that although bitpay and coinbase are a 'someone else', but training a retailer about bitcoin, satisfying their questions and aversion to try something new that has negative press isnt going to magic itself away simply because your sitting in your house wishing your local corner store would take bitcoin. if you want your local store to accept bitcoin, you need to be involved with helping them out. not crying from a sofa.

as for needing to be a business. my idea is not a permanent solution and not a solution for national chains. its just a few week introduction which due to not every customer being a bitcoin holder, wont involve much cashflow. and because of this. that small amount of support you offer to introduce them to bitcoin, wont meet the financial thresholds to consider you as a business, nor a MSB in most countries(pretty much all, but i havnt checked them all)

like i said its just a bar tab.
just like prepaying anything.. drinks in a pub, wedding planning, cinema bookings, pre-release video games,
your just prepaying for future customer and accepting bitcoin as a 'ticket' that the business has processed a cash transaction.

if you think a local store is going to do over a few thousand $$ in bitcoin transaction in just a few weeks, then you are mistaken.
in most cases the money you will use as a bar tab is no different then buying a round of drinks for a group of 6 people.

this topic is about local stores.. not international corporations afterall.

the way i see it is this
if you live in a small town in england. and you know a shop in YOUR town that YOU wish would accept bitcoin. dont sit on your sofa crying about how some corporation in america hasnt spent thousands of dollars to travel to your small town to train the small shop about bitcoin, offering their services as a middleman. do what i did and help the shop understand what bitcoin is and how easy it is to accept bitcoin just using basically a calculator and a piece of paper with a QR code on it. once they are happy then they can decide how popular it is to go it alone, or not bother after a while.

I think there is bitwage from which employer can easily send you your salary in form of bitcoin but they are not available worldwide so if we look in worldwide scenario convincing employer to pay in bitcoin is hard while as if there is anything like bitcoin exchanger or bitcoin atm locally than it will be easier to convince local merchants to start accepting bitcoin.

i see we can agree that you need to act instead of just wining and demanding things happen magically.
but why would you not want to teach them directly. you have to put work into it and explain a lot and set almost everything up for them. work for you in both cases, but i do not see why i should offer a free trial as men in the middle.
i would be even more suspicious if someone would show me a safe way first and then the next time i will have to do it for myself and risk my own money.
this is how a good con works.
so why not tell them from the beginning about the risk THEY will have to take. to be honest works best in these situations if you want long term users. also with own money involved it might need more convincing, but they will put more effort into learning it.

I think that it will be great for local stores to accept Bitcoin.

I think if explained properly,local store will see it as an opportunity to further increase it's sell and grow business as it will attract bitcoin users besides fiat for which many stores are available.Employer on the other hand might fear resistance from his employees who may not be interested to get paid in bitcoin.So we have to convince both employees and employer which may be an uphill task

Well theres a big risk for local store to accept btc in form since theirs a flactuation event happening for itself daily but i think if btc will convert to dollar form will provably convince some local store and online store to accept it,

And for employees giving a btc in salary will be a bad idea for them since we know that only limited banks are accepting direct exchange to btc and it can be an addition hassle for them if it will be really implemented.

I think it is much easier to convince your employer to you through bitcoin especially if the employer knows that bitcoin really gives them advantages in terms of taxes that they should have to pay for their employee. It  may apply to store also but salary of course is consist of much higher amounts.

i think it's depend on wheter situation and personality of the person, in my exprience i always told to everyone about bitcoin, in local shop, my partner business and other, bitcoin will be gladly accepted for those who familiar with it, geek or for those who like something new and inovation, i told my partner to pay me with bitcoin and he did, it's easy i think since he already knew it, but i never tried for those who not familiar with it,  you know what it is to hard to convince local shop to accept bitcoin as payment method, i dont know why they're scared or something else, but it seems like they feel that payment method that they're using right know are safe, popullar than bitcoin just my thought

Its very hard to convince any local store to accept bitcoin. First it needed internet access to do the payment. Second, the payment process takes a little bit of time than paying a physical money. And third, the fluctuation of btc value. The price of your product is very unstable. Maybe you can do it in an online store because its an fast and easy way to pay.
Employer is easier to convince but it has a lot of disadvantage. For example. When you need an instant cash, you cant easily turn it into cash. BItcoin is good for online and not offline.

Only some local store from big city's are accepting bitcoin. You cant go at any local store and buy what you want

It may be true enough, but if your offline store is not doing so. Then the function of the offline store I think will be more lost and finally they will go bankrupt because of lack of balance in their store. The online store is indeed very suitable by bitcoin, but offline I see should also be used. because lots of project that could contribute to (gain) into their stores. For example, they don't have to keep money in a safe place for bitcoin provides a very safe and very secure

I had a job once, it was three months ago and it was one time job, and when the job was done my employer asked me how I want to receive my payment because he was in another country at the moment and wasn't going to come back for some time. So I told him he can pay in Bitcoins and he accepted this with joy because he already had a bitcoin wallet and he thought that this method is the most convenient.

come one man,there's still exist an online shop which will ship you the requested stuff,it's 2016 and things is goes online now,doesn't need to go anywhere to get what you need as long you can pay it through online

While it depends on who it is specifically that you're trying to convince, I have a feeling it is far easier to convince a local store owner to accept Bitcoin. An employer would have to be making a special exception for you personally, while a store owner would just be broadening who can pay him. It would be far easier for a store owner to get everything set up in comparison to what an employer would be willing to do.

Depends a lot, if you go to a town that barely has any tech knowledge and tell them about bitcoins, it wont go well.

I think both are hard to convince. But more likely a local store would be easier if you have the tools and gadget needed for the setup.  They will think that it would be an opportunity to get a new set of client and that is the bitcoin user.  If explained well, they might setup a range of item for this kind of client.  Who knows, a miner would be in sale in the store near you if you are succesful in  convincing them :D

i think it is harder to convince employers to accept bitcoin.
as my personal experience it is always so much easier to convince individuals to use bitcoin, and they can understand and accpet bitcoin a lot easier than a merchant who is only thinking in case of money.

I think it is both hard especiall if they are both not bitcoin well oriented.. you will know my point just like saying to your grandma that you want some btc as christmas gift instead of cash. Hahahha. But if the employer and store owner are oriented in btc, i think the employee is a little bit hard task because they need to comvert the fiat into btc then send to your account. It is hassle for them.

neither of them! local store owners are small businessman. Their business run on hard cash where no exchanger fees are applicable. Whenever a small business man accepts bitcoin, they will have to again pay fees to the exchanger to exchange that particular bitcoin in to fiat.

However, big corporate are easier to convince. But they run on numbers. so the dynamic price of bitcoin is not always good for their business. They will have to have a contingency plan in case the price depreciates. It is always better and easier for them to accept and spend in fiat.

Very good said. Local stores will not accept Bitcoin because it is not profitable for them

such a store would only accept cash. but many also take credit cards. why not bitcoin


big cooperations might be harder since you might have to convince more than one person.
i do not think it will always be easier and better to accept fiat, but right now their focus is on fiat. this could change. 

I would say, convincing a merchant to accept Bitcoin is easier... not all employers wants to switch payroll systems or wants to deal with a currency that are not defined as a currency according to all

governments. The tax implications is also something they need to deal with... The employers have to report salary payments to the tax authorities and Bitcoin payment might make this too complex.

Once Bitcoin is clearly defined as a currecy, things will be easier... until then payment processors that deals with Bitcoin/Fiat conversion needs to be used.  ;)

Convincing employers to pay their workers in Bitcoin is probably the most difficult thing. Especially because not everyone is interested in Bitcoin. Then you have the workers that will complain as they are promised to get paid $500 worth of Bitcoin, but due to the price going down he just ended up with around $430 worth of Bitcoin. Too much headache and extra work for employers. Convincing merchants to accept Bitcoin is much easier as the merchant in question doesn't need to do much. People pay in Bitcoin, and they receive fiat. And it doesn't cost them a penny if this payment option doesn't get used. It's all about the potential extra revenue. That's what will interest merchants.

Every case is different we can't generalize here at all. Some employers would gladly listen to you and try research what bitcoin is all about bitcoin, some others won't.
In some cases even if employer would like to pay you, there will be legal issues effectively blocking this possibility.

Of course it is easier to convince stores because it could represent a good opportunity for them to increase their clients, but actually I can't see a special advantage of employers to pay with bitcoins because it might be more disadvantageous then advantageous for them because most employees would reject this digital currency and it might also generate some financial issues at the moment of paying taxes.

I'm pretty sure that it is far easier to convince a local store to accept BTC than an employer to pay wages in BTC. The reason is obvious: The local store owner has some motivation to accept BTC, because it might add new customers. For the employer there are no benefits - instead BTC payments will generate additional costs associated with acquiring the BTC in the first place and accounting costs.

I never tried to convince anyone to accept/use BTC who was not asking for it. And I think it is not a good idea to do it, because it may quickly lead to disappointments when there is no demand for Bitcoin or funds are lost due to insufficient competence to handle payments.

ya.ya.yo!

A store would be easier, especially if there is a large amount of customers who will be happy to pay in bitcoin.


You have to pay tax when paying out in bitcoin? You may, but how can the authorities track you? Especially if youre a wage worker.

Why would an employer give a shit? All they have to do is send a bit of your wage to some third party who'll probably eventually go bust anyway. I don't think local stores are the right place for BTC. Online makes far more sense.

Both are very tough to convince because still bitcoin not much popular that people are easily to convinced.If we can do this it would be great for bitcoin.I think local Store (where you buy your Food) to accept Bitcoin then it easier to convince an Employer to pay you in Bitcoin.

Maybe because the local store is familiar with a daily needs and i think it's no a good place for bitcoin. and the first things bitcoin is made becoming a gateway for the online transaction.

usually when they start accepting bitcoin they use services like bitpay or anything similar so it would be easy to track them down and see how much bitcoin transaction one shop/merchant had in the past and calculate taxes that way.

Maybe can tell them about that, I can't say that is easy but trying to tell the employer about that and waiting for their reaction. maybe you will find your answer. I think this is very useless to talking in this place if you can finding the real answer for yourself.

Of course it is much easier to convince the employers because they can pay your salary without tax. Same as you receive your salary in much higher than usual because its tax free

If I tell my employer in my country that if they pay me in bitcoins they will not pay any taxes they are going all the way to just pay me through bitcoin. For this they have not to declare me as a worker in their company which is something very difficult to do in my country so although the very good will of my employer to pay me in bitcoin to evade taxes its not possible because of strict control from the financial authorities here.

Well it will make their transaction more easier if local store will accept it thats why i think they are the one will be the easiest to convince since i dont see any employer pays his workers a digital money or any other processor excisting today and i would be agree if it will be more works for them to do that if they really implement it.

In my opinion, it’s easier to convince the local stores to accept bitcoin as payment than the employers to provide salary in bitcoins.

Because if stores that sell daily goods know about the benefits of bitcoin and the fact that there are not much shops that accept bitcoin and bitcoin users are desperately in finding those shops, these stores will gain popularity at least among bitcoin users and their sale will increase significantly.

It’s always better to have more than one currency accepted in stores, especially if those are local stores that sell things you need everyday and it’s cryptocurrency.

this would not work in most of the countries i know. if you try to circumvent taxes i can guarantee you, that you will get in trouble or you are so unsuccessful, that it is not worth it anyway. In most countries i know (in the so called western world) the state needs to know to know that you work and how much you make, because they want to tax you. other work is not allowed. this sounds stupid, is stupid, but what you gone do?

It is definitely much easier for merchants to accept Bitcoin instead. Merchants just need to sign up for a POS system and they can implement it easily. There isn't any cons to it even if customers choose not to use it. It is also rather easy to exchange them for fiat and it would probably also attract Bitcoin enthusiast to the shops.

Asking employers to pay their workers in Bitcoin is much harder. The employer has to exchange the fiat to Bitcoin with fees included before paying the employees. This process can be complicated and it wouldn't be logical unless the entire company requests for this.

Both are hard, Yess it is true that if your employer will pay you in bitcoins then it will be tax free but in my country paying tax is very important.
On the other hand it is also hard for local storees to accept bitcoin instead of fiats because most things that are needed for their store can only be bought with fiats so they will have to pay a extra fee for the exchange of bitcoin to fiat

legit employers are not "tax free" no matter what currency is sent by them or received to you.

in some countries the employer handles the tax BEFORE handing the employee the remainder..
so dont ever think that you should ever tell your employer to break the laws of most countries by suggesting they should pay you in bitcoin to evade tax.
in other countries the employee receives the full funds and its the employee that has to handle their own income tax payments.
so dont ever think that you should break the laws of most countries by thinking that being paid in bitcoin will obsolve you of tax implications

it does not matter what form of currency it is. there are income tax implecations to every country.
in short income tax is treated as if you received foreign currency. like an american does "remote" work for a european country and gets paid euros, as a easy comparison. to scenarios you should used to seek the correct tax implications.

tax evasion is a crime. so if you live in a country where incometax is a requirement, then paying it is a requirement no matter what type of currency was used.

tax avoidance can be done. this is not simply by accepting a different currency. this is about forming things like trusts or changing your nationality or you physically not living in a certain country for more than a few months at a time.
again its not simply accepting a different form of currency.
its mainly about who/where you are and who/where the business is, that concerns taxes. not the form/currency of the payment

if you live in america working for a legitimate company anywhere in the world, by u living in america most of your life you will end up needing to pay dollars to the IRS for your income you receive no matter the currency or method was