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Title: Avalon chip orders Post by: aTg on March 27, 2013, 12:25:23 AM As I see it is difficult to contact BitSyncom LLC by other routes and there seems to be a lot of garbage to filter lately I decided to open a thread to purchase an order from 10,000 units.
Can also be useful to sets of orders from other forum members. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: allinvain on March 27, 2013, 02:20:23 AM You plan to design your own Avalon clone? Are you located in North America by any chance?
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Bogart on March 27, 2013, 02:24:04 AM I think the market is crying out for a bite-sized product. Maybe 10 chips making ~2.8GHps.
If you could license the submodule PCB design too you'd be most of the way there. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: allinvain on March 27, 2013, 02:28:18 AM I definitely agree. A more affordable and less power hungry unit would be awesome. It would spread out ownership and hashing power and thus help to decentralize hashing power.
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: ursa on March 27, 2013, 08:12:05 AM Avalon Team,
Do you sell bare ASICS? Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: marra on March 27, 2013, 08:34:13 AM I would also be interested in bulk of 10k chips.
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: crazyearner on March 27, 2013, 09:13:18 AM Read the F.A.Q
Is there any plan to sell just the ASIC themselves and let others build their own units? Yes, if you are interested and are ready to purchase 10,000 chips or more. ( the 65Gh/s unit has 240 chips. ) Please contact init.d (at) bitsyn.com for more information. I already sent email regarding this as am very much interested in this and getting a unit up and running later if people are wanting to do this to and invest in this as well as myself feel free to contact me with your proposal maybe work a deal out together. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: TwinTurbo on March 27, 2013, 09:25:29 AM I am also interested in this. I have not yet reached out to them, but this seems like a more reasonable route than designing from scratch. Perhaps a collaborative effort would be worthwhile. Either splitting of chip allotments or sharing of design tasks.
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: marra on March 27, 2013, 09:34:50 AM Read the F.A.Q Is there any plan to sell just the ASIC themselves and let others build their own units? Yes, if you are interested and are ready to purchase 10,000 chips or more. ( the 65Gh/s unit has 240 chips. ) Please contact init.d (at) bitsyn.com for more information. I already sent email regarding this as am very much interested in this and getting a unit up and running later if people are wanting to do this to and invest in this as well as myself feel free to contact me with your proposal maybe work a deal out together. Yep, I've sent them an mail, too, no response so far... Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Dabs on March 27, 2013, 09:46:17 AM Hey, someone make a 1 chip miner. I'll buy it, just so I'm doing my little part in further decentralizing the hashing / mining.
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: hardcore-fs on March 27, 2013, 09:47:41 AM I think the market is crying out for a bite-sized product. Maybe 10 chips making ~2.8GHps. If you could license the submodule PCB design too you'd be most of the way there. I think you are dreaming... with that sort of hashing power it is not going to be worth mining, by the time it hits the market the ROI is going to be way out there.... Even in the last two weeks, there has been a significant increase in difficulty and I'm beginning to think that BFL is not going to ship any time soon, because they have the cash and the server farm Idea they are floating , seems to beg that they will be mining with the product people have paid for. At over $70 a BTC it is well worth it, then all they have to do is gradually release the product to the market once they have 'mined' with it , after all what can anyone do about it? Did they already not state that there is going to be a 'phased' delivery and not a FIFO order book? It all sounds like bullshit to hide exactly what they are shipping and the quantities they are self mining with. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Bicknellski on March 27, 2013, 09:57:14 AM Alt-coins.... with smaller machines... I think you are overlooking the possibilities beyond bitcoin. http://dustcoin.com/mining A small machine might be just want people want.
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: samborambo on March 27, 2013, 10:56:32 AM How about a USB stick miner? The current Avalon chip is less than 2.5W, the USB power limit. It's around 275MH/s and could probably be sold for less than $5 in quantity.
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: loshia on March 27, 2013, 11:32:48 AM How about a USB stick miner? The current Avalon chip is less than 2.5W, the USB power limit. It's around 275MH/s and could probably be sold for less than $5 in quantity. Dream on dude :)Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Dabs on March 27, 2013, 01:04:49 PM I'd personally like a 1.5 GH/s mini unit. What pools are supported by the Avalons? Or where would you recommend joining?
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Gomeler on March 27, 2013, 02:27:14 PM I'd personally like a 1.5 GH/s mini unit. What pools are supported by the Avalons? Or where would you recommend joining? Why aim so low? A 10 GH/s device based on Avalon chips running at the same frequency as in their unit would utilize 37 of their chips @ roughly 60w of power consumption. Price that around $200-250 USD and compete with BFL's Jalapeno. At current prices, 10x difficulty(66,958,260) and 60w consumption you are looking at 0.0751 BTC/day or $5.85 USD/day(after power @ $0.15/kWh). That gives you a 45 day pay-off period for what is effectively a moderately priced consumer electronic. I imagine such a unit would sell more easily than the full-blown Avalon due to much easier to accept pricing. Even at their old price of $1500 USD, that was no small bill to pay compared to $200-250. Just something to consider. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: mrbrt on March 27, 2013, 02:45:39 PM I'd personally like a 1.5 GH/s mini unit. What pools are supported by the Avalons? Or where would you recommend joining? Why aim so low? A 10 GH/s device based on Avalon chips running at the same frequency as in their unit would utilize 37 of their chips @ roughly 60w of power consumption. Price that around $200-250 USD and compete with BFL's Jalapeno. At current prices, 10x difficulty(66,958,260) and 60w consumption you are looking at 0.0751 BTC/day or $5.85 USD/day(after power @ $0.15/kWh). That gives you a 45 day pay-off period for what is effectively a moderately priced consumer electronic. I imagine such a unit would sell more easily than the full-blown Avalon due to much easier to accept pricing. Even at their old price of $1500 USD, that was no small bill to pay compared to $200-250. Just something to consider. What is the time frame to get that to market, in your opinion? I'd be interested in a 10 gh/s device for mining alt-coins. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: aTg on March 28, 2013, 12:00:21 AM This is not to compete with Avalon, want the chips for their own consumption.
We have read the statements of BitSyncom saying that they will sell but in practice this does not sell, I'm trying to reach and no one listens to me, so I finally decided to do it publicly that seems to be the only way to contact. I am shocked to read in some places that interest BitSyncom LLC is decentralized network, when really have centrallized as never before. PD:All the people who are asking a PCB single-chip, in this market already exists, it is called ZTEX USB-FPGA Module 1.15x It has the same computing power than a single chip Avalon. http://www.ztex.de/imgs/usb-fpga-1.15x-400.jpg Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Gomeler on March 28, 2013, 12:05:10 AM I'd personally like a 1.5 GH/s mini unit. What pools are supported by the Avalons? Or where would you recommend joining? Why aim so low? A 10 GH/s device based on Avalon chips running at the same frequency as in their unit would utilize 37 of their chips @ roughly 60w of power consumption. Price that around $200-250 USD and compete with BFL's Jalapeno. At current prices, 10x difficulty(66,958,260) and 60w consumption you are looking at 0.0751 BTC/day or $5.85 USD/day(after power @ $0.15/kWh). That gives you a 45 day pay-off period for what is effectively a moderately priced consumer electronic. I imagine such a unit would sell more easily than the full-blown Avalon due to much easier to accept pricing. Even at their old price of $1500 USD, that was no small bill to pay compared to $200-250. Just something to consider. What is the time frame to get that to market, in your opinion? I'd be interested in a 10 gh/s device for mining alt-coins. No clue, forever if Avalon never actually sells any chips. From what everyone said about FPGAs I imagine a skilled person or two could whip up a PCB in short order. No clue what would be required to interface with the chips, likely an FPGA running some interfacing software. You would only be able to mine alt-coins that are forks of the BTC protocol. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Dalkore on March 28, 2013, 01:29:00 AM This is not to compete with Avalon, want the chips for their own consumption. We have read the statements of BitSyncom saying that they will sell but in practice this does not sell, I'm trying to reach and no one listens to me, so I finally decided to do it publicly that seems to be the only way to contact. I am shocked to read in some places that interest BitSyncom LLC is decentralized network, when really have centralized as never before. True but I think we are seeing centralization only because the technology was so much more efficient. You can't fault Avalon for that. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: samborambo on March 28, 2013, 07:58:42 AM How about a USB stick miner? The current Avalon chip is less than 2.5W, the USB power limit. It's around 275MH/s and could probably be sold for less than $5 in quantity. Dream on dude :)Ah, huh. Troll. Ugh, everyone's suddenly an electronics engineer. Interfacing should be a doddle if they've used something industry standard like SPI or I2C. USB design with an 8bit micro and a simple serial bus could be whacked out in an afternoon. Its so much simpler than a big rig design since power conversion design is mostly done for you. USB sticks would make efficient mining resource available to everyone. Want a bit more mining power? Just buy the latest mining stick and shove it in your powered usb hub along with the rest. In fact, fuck it. I'll start a kickstarter project for the mining stick. I just need a spec and a budgetary price from avalon, design the board, start a firmware open source git repo, find a pcb fab, stuffing and testing service and we're away :-) Sam. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: ursa on March 28, 2013, 09:15:39 AM Where did the first info about selling chips came from? Maybe it was a BS from the beginning
Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Rodyland on March 28, 2013, 11:47:00 AM How about a USB stick miner? The current Avalon chip is less than 2.5W, the USB power limit. It's around 275MH/s and could probably be sold for less than $5 in quantity. Dream on dude :)Ah, huh. Troll. Ugh, everyone's suddenly an electronics engineer. Interfacing should be a doddle if they've used something industry standard like SPI or I2C. USB design with an 8bit micro and a simple serial bus could be whacked out in an afternoon. Its so much simpler than a big rig design since power conversion design is mostly done for you. USB sticks would make efficient mining resource available to everyone. Want a bit more mining power? Just buy the latest mining stick and shove it in your powered usb hub along with the rest. In fact, fuck it. I'll start a kickstarter project for the mining stick. I just need a spec and a budgetary price from avalon, design the board, start a firmware open source git repo, find a pcb fab, stuffing and testing service and we're away :-) Sam. Combine this with a secure hardware wallet on the stick (someone's already done a secure usb hardware wallet) and you are well on your way to a fully self contained all-in-one bitcoin solution for the masses. Make it easy enough for my grandmother to use, and secure, and you've just made us all millionaires. :P Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: allten on March 28, 2013, 02:34:45 PM I thought a lot about this during the night. Didn't sleep much.
I want to help make it happen. I think we could realistically have available and working within available in 4 to 6 weeks ;-) It would really be nice if AVALON published their spec's. Maybe they want to be reimbursed on setup costs or something. I'm sure we could crowdsource the funds. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: ProfMac on March 28, 2013, 03:21:06 PM This is not to compete with Avalon, want the chips for their own consumption. We have read the statements of BitSyncom saying that they will sell but in practice this does not sell, I'm trying to reach and no one listens to me, so I finally decided to do it publicly that seems to be the only way to contact. I am shocked to read in some places that interest BitSyncom LLC is decentralized network, when really have centrallized as never before. PD:All the people who are asking a PCB single-chip, in this market already exists, it is called ZTEX USB-FPGA Module 1.15x It has the same computing power than a single chip Avalon. http://www.ztex.de/imgs/usb-fpga-1.15x-400.jpg I was not able to find a price for this model in their shop. I had wanted to look at the cost and estimate the income, but did not find either answer quickly. Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: Bogart on March 28, 2013, 03:38:48 PM This is not to compete with Avalon, want the chips for their own consumption. We have read the statements of BitSyncom saying that they will sell but in practice this does not sell, I'm trying to reach and no one listens to me, so I finally decided to do it publicly that seems to be the only way to contact. I am shocked to read in some places that interest BitSyncom LLC is decentralized network, when really have centrallized as never before. PD:All the people who are asking a PCB single-chip, in this market already exists, it is called ZTEX USB-FPGA Module 1.15x It has the same computing power than a single chip Avalon. http://www.ztex.de/imgs/usb-fpga-1.15x-400.jpg I was not able to find a price for this model in their shop. I had wanted to look at the cost and estimate the income, but did not find either answer quickly. Looks like the shop doesn't have any at the moment. Here's the ztex thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49180.0 Title: Re: Avalon chip orders Post by: aTg on March 28, 2013, 10:27:56 PM To all the people who are asking for smaller units of Avalon should know that it's modular design case and features 3 or 4 modules which consist of eight independent submodules 2700MH / s.
These modules can be used without changing the basic design. http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7604/noseke.jpg After this explanation back to the main topic of this post, we want to buy 10mil chips Avalon, can answer our emails please? |
