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Well we can say that corruption is present in the very gene of Human being no matter how much you say that you never did corruption but at the end of the day every last one of us who is alive today is corrupt whether that corruption could lead  unrest in socity or in human body

That is a very good reason to abolish government and become sovereign, independent beings. It is the very structure of government that is flawed. The ones who stand up against corruption are either fired or resign out of frustration, leaving only the corrupt ones inside. This is what I call "Corruption by design".

Not at all, because 1 out of 1000 official is the savior meaning he is not corrupt. Remember what to singapore when Lee Kuan Yew become Prime Minister. Look what happen to Singapore now. I think corruption is just the shadow of goverment. When someone destroy corruption other where follow. You need strong leader first to destroy corruption. Thats it. And we are lucky now we have duterte in our country same as lee kuan yew.

Corruption exists because the corruptor have a chance for corruption.
They will not corrupt if there is no chance.
Very hard actually to eradicate corruption action. In fact, sometimes they are anti-corruption could be corruption if they get a chance.

Give man power to see his true face. Well yes, everyone want's to earn as much money as they can and as easy as they can.

Maybe because we are all sinners.  We have something inside us that sometimes blinded us to do evil things.  Greedy, envy, and jealous are just the three things I think the reason why we have corrupted minds.  Why politicians were corrupt and everyone of us.  The desire to be rich and powerful.  The desire for things that cannot be done easily.  I agree with you everyone of us have this disease that is just lying underneath our skins.  It is still our choice.  Choose to be good.

I don't believe that. That is something Christianity made up, the concept that we are all sinners, so they could justify oppressing people, or rather, give people a reason to think they are somehow flawed and deserve subjugation.

Wow! All this while I thought you were reasonably on the ball, and only had thinking in a different direction.

There aren't any sick people, no crippled people, no mistake makers, no people that die. These flaws don't exist, along with all the multitudes of other flaws in the world and people, right?

What are you, nuts? Are you riding on such a big wave of optimism that you don't know what is going on in the world around you? Are you so fickle (I have seen other of your posts where you show the flaws in people and the world) that one minute you say this, and the next minute, that?

You do realize that it is you who are flawed, right to the core, and Christianity is gently trying to point it out to you, with the hopes that you will be saved... don't you?

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We're evolved to be self interested. If we weren't then we wouldn't be here.

Corruption's a natural extension of that. Some people see a bigge picture. Others only care about themselves.

It's all predictable and natural even if it sucks for others.

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People want to have comfortable life when get a salary that does not allow them to have certain things they become corrupt, in my country some government officials have stolen billions of dollars and They built mansions and many businesses. The ambition of these government officials do not have limits ... are very corrupt people,

Nice strawman. He was talking about ALL people being sinners. I didn't say there are no mistake makers/crippled people. Learn some reading comprehension before you Bitcointalk, BADtroll.

It would help a whole lot if you could say what you mean, rather than throw in a bunch of generalities, and expect people to guess what you are thinking.

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Basically like that people will always want more and in cases of corruption where they can earn big money without having to work hard just to do something a hoax.

I don't think its in our genetics to be corrupt. Genetics are just the code to building your body. Corruption is something that is learned. Since we are not born with knowledge then it cannot be in our genes.

Basically, you are saying the same things as religion, just in different way.
Religion says that all people are sinful, because first, original ancestors of humankind, failed, and from them sin spread through all generations of people until now.
They say sin and you said corruption. basically the same.
At least, religious people have hope to achieve ideal world and liberate from sin but it seems you don't have such hope for humankind.
So what is the solution, than?

Really? So to get rid of corruption, we'll have to wipe out the human race? I think this is going to hurt, but I have no doubt this is BS. Intelligence probably varies with your genes, but I find it difficult to swallow that there could be some link between the disrespect for the law, or the given word, and your ADN.

Any scientific data to back up that claim?

Not for corruption per se, but e.g. sociopaths have a different brain or rather their brain works differently then from the average human.
There are a lot of scientific studies with brain mrt's which backs it up.

This still doesn't tell you which ones are more corrupt. I mean, some purely bad people think that they are not corrupt, while others of them do. Maybe you only find corruption in government.

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Says who exactly? Your new age preacher in his lab coat wielding his advanced genetics bible?  :D Branding something you don't fully understand as a 'corruption' is kind of obtuse don't you think? Or perhaps this is the new age revised excuse for why humans are the scourge of the earth?

Nope, humans can avoid corruption by choice but we can’t avoid imperfection. Since we can constantly improve there is no need to worry about perfection.

Universal entropy suggests that any human improvement is something that comes in spurts. It's like a wave. There is a high point and then a low point. But with entropy, the low points gradually get lower, and the high points don't get as high.

Perfection only lessens in the long run.

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Wow, what a flawed design for such an omnipotent deity!

Yes I agree with you and corruption is not merely on gaining and spending government funds.  It is in every inhumane act of every people.  Only those who could oppose corruption in theirself are maybe the person with high moral and fear with God.  I think the very factor that make us all corrupt is our greediness.  Our too much love for money.

It seems to me that corruption is a secondary concept. The desire to own something and to be well motivated person to receive goods the easy way. And corruption, many consider it the easiest way. At one's own risk.

i dont think that humanity are corrupting day by day .. i am sure that there  are personal corruptions. some people are losing their ethics in any area because of their covetousness and personal corruptions starts there..  There are great deal of people who havent lost their ethics yet so we cannot say human genome is corrupting.

Not all men are subject to corruption. There are many honest, who does not take too much, and do not steal

I don't think corruption is in the genes of people. Not all corrupt. To blame human greed. As a rule, the more money, the more he needs them.

It looks to me that you are talking about so called ''original sin'' of first human beings, Adam and Eve.
It said that because of their sin, all human became ''devil's children'' and sinful.
Religion have fine solution how to overcome it and get rid from sin- to believe and follow Messiahs.
What is your solution to erase corruption from the human genome?
Do you think that such corruption in human genome will last forever?
Well, in such case, religion at least gives some hope to the people.
 
 

corruption is most likely not however greed is which is basically the root of corruption. greed is already in our nature so it's inevitable that corruption will happen whenever someone is too greedy about power or money or fame.

I don't think that was corruption... god was kind of greedy in that story, the snake (Devil aka Lucifer, the light bringer) told those two to eat from the forbidden tree to become like god.

I don't think all humans can be corrupted, we are wrong if we state that it is in human genome. Political corruption is the worse abuse of public power, office, or resources by elected government officials for personal gain, by extortion, soliciting or offering bribes. I believe that corruption can have terrible consequences, corruption stops evolution.

Corruption exists where there is no civil society. When people are fighting against all manifestations of corruption. I think that corruption is a disease of greedy officials and genes have nothing to do with.

Maybe I might not agree with you that corruption is in human genome because I don't think we all have that. We all do not have corruption in their genes. We all have good traits in our genes since we as humans are made good by God. We all began as a good person when we are all born but at some point we change because of some factors that affected us in growing up, thats why corruption and bad things exist.

Perhaps yes because money is the source of greed so do not let your hands fall for that sin. Some officials turn to this specially the elitist person. They are become selfish in their power.

Everyone wants to be rich. Well, sometimes you can go against the rules and take any value if you offer them. So what

Human is greedy :( they only test those people by lucifer if they will really it the fruit and disobey the rules of God. We humans are scumbag in terms of money and power! We cant resist to have that in our life in our entire whole life that is the big problem with us! Gold, Money and power.

How can you know? The lucifer is called The Bringer of Light, maybe he rebeled agaisnt god because the god was leading a tyranny in heaven and he was sick of it, and god is actually the bad guy.. and the whole bible is a manipulation tool used to control humans in a away...

It's not in everyone's genes. Some people are not corrupted. Sacrifice themselves for others in ways that regular people would not be able to walk in their shoes.

Some people are born selfish, others not so much. Of course up bringing does have an effect, but for a few they are good no matter what. I guess what I'm trying to say is that some are not like a piece of clay that will turn corrupted just because of their upbringing. They are born good.

It is a complete corruption of the pride of mankind to even suggest that there is corruption in his genome.

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Well, if you read the Bible, it's obvious what happened (as you know all Bible is written in symbols).
God created Lucifer as angel, simple servant.
Before God created Adam and Eve, he received all love and respect from his creator, God.
When God created Adam and Eve, everything changed.
It's obvious that every parent will love more his children than servants.
Lucifer became jealous and rebelled against God.
In Peter's book (in the Bible) is written that fall of angels was sexual act with human beings.
So, if in the Garden of Eden we had one woman and two man, what happened?
It's interesting that after their sin, Adam and Eve didn't hide their mouth or hands (what kids do if they eat something against parent's wish) but their sexual parts and felt shame because they was naked.
Before they was naked but didn't feel any shame.
So, it's possible that Lucifer became unhappy because God loved more Adam and Eve, his children, than him, his loyal servant?
In the same time, he fell in love with this beautiful, innocent naked girl, in the garden of Eden.
Apple have shape of hearth, isn't it?
All facts about this event are here, you just need to understand it.
I can't imagine that God will punish his children because of simple fruit (apple or banana lol) but if Lucifer slept with Eve, than this was serious problem and good reason that all of them, Lucifer, Adam and Eve, had to leave garden of Eden.
Still today top one crime is sexual abuse, isn't it?
We have no power to solve it.
Because of original sin we are to weak.
So, real corruption in our society started long time ago, with first human ancestors and still this corruption is unresolved until now (it's part of our genome). Because of this families collapsing around the world and everybody talking about sex.
Even religious people trying to fight with this corruption, through celibacy and other ways but still can't win this battle, as we see it today (pedophilia and also a lot sexual relationships between priests and woman).
Because of it, Jesus suggested to the disciples around him that is better to avoid marriage and sex (until he come second time and establish his eternal kingdom, free of original sin).
If you think that angels can't have sex with human please read also story about Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible.