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Title: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: LiskQH on August 31, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
WTF? What is this?   ???

Few days ago:

http://clip2net.com/clip/m224751/96a66-clip-386kb.jpg

.... and NOW:

http://clip2net.com/clip/m224751/c8f6c-clip-26kb.png

After what was seen, I have bases to suspect Synereo of an ill practice. Who knows how many bonuses they distributed to those who participated in this sale hidden from the public!

You in general understand?! DEVELOPERS SELL COINS SECRETLY! They have sold secretly for the sum of 1519 BTC. These are a little more than 8127767 AMP(On Poloniex only 3225772 AMP is now traded) at the prices 18k sat and they sold to them at this price (I am sure, they distributed to them also bonuses!)!  It it wasn't announced anywhere. You understand that they lie to us. And now they speak to simple users to purchase from them twice more expensively at the prices 33k? This fraud!


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: poloniexwhale on August 31, 2016, 02:16:23 PM
Dumped this shit around 37k-40k when the price was ATH, I feel so happy.  :D :D  

I dumped before the 2nd ico news released, i was so lucky to dump before they raped us.   >:( >:(


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: spartak_t on August 31, 2016, 03:49:04 PM
I tweeted to their official account. Let us see what will be their response.

https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/771011205909647360


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: yeswepump on August 31, 2016, 03:52:37 PM
So where the scam is supposed to be?


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: spartak_t on August 31, 2016, 04:01:12 PM
Btw, Dor Konforty (goes with the nickname Elokane) has return like $80k worth of Agora earlier this year, but forgot what was the case. I'm not sure if he is a scammer.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: 1Theodore on August 31, 2016, 04:07:57 PM
7th time answering similar answer
Goto

https://blog.synereo.com/2016/08/29/synereos-second-fundraising-campaign-coming/

Find similar text

"AMP Sale
All AMPs to be sold during this campaign are pre-existing AMPs, created in advance and held by Synereo for this purpose. No new AMPs will be created for this sale. As Synereo is committed to utter and complete transparency in all its dealings, all AMP transactions carried out by the company can be viewed here."

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r1G-ROS4vgHK84qfn1CBIxuXZQCCvIicCTQSxW1T_mo/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=1156984041


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: SynereoCommunity on August 31, 2016, 04:10:19 PM
WTF? What is this?   ???

Few days ago:

After what was seen, I have bases to suspect Synereo of an ill practice. Who knows how many bonuses they distributed to those who participated in this sale hidden from the public!

You in general understand?! DEVELOPERS SELL COINS SECRETLY! They have sold secretly for the sum of 1519 BTC. These are a little more than 8127767 AMP(On Poloniex only 3225772 AMP is now traded) at the prices 18k sat and they sold to them at this price (I am sure, they distributed to them also bonuses!)!  It it wasn't announced anywhere. You understand that they lie to us. And now they speak to simple users to purchase from them twice more expensively at the prices 33k? This fraud!


Yep - a few days ago.  Same time we already answered your questions, not to mention the many times the same answers were publicly posted all around.

Here's the link to the latest one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995987.msg16101402#msg16101402

So why would someone start a new post, using libel & slander masquerading as an "accusation"?  You know this is false info, and you're just repeating it anyway.

The link was private, and somebody broke that confidence.  There are legal procedures that have to be followed so information is given for all disclosures, etc.  So I guess they made a new link, so that legal process can continue securely.  The fundraising for equity, and the AMP sale are two, very different things, that are done differently.

The pre-sale process is still open for anyone who wants.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: SynereoCommunity on August 31, 2016, 04:20:51 PM
I tweeted to their official account. Let us see what will be their response.

https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/771011205909647360

Doesn't an "accusation" actually have to logically claim something?

Could you please refrain from promoting libel & slander without doing the basic due diligence of finding out if the accuser is not acting out of personal interest, spreading FUD for their imagined gain?

Distributed ledger transactions that are then doubly communicated to publicly visible spreadsheets are in no way "secret".

The opportunity for this was announced numerous times, in numerous places.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: yeswepump on August 31, 2016, 04:22:09 PM
As I thought, no SCAM at all. Thanks for closing this thread.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: spartak_t on August 31, 2016, 04:22:55 PM
I tweeted to their official account. Let us see what will be their response.

https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/771011205909647360

Doesn't an "accusation" actually have to logically claim something?

Could you please refrain from promoting libel & slander without doing the basic due diligence of finding out if the accuser is not acting out of personal interest, spreading FUD for their imagined gain?

Distributed ledger transactions that are then doubly communicated to publicly visible spreadsheets are in no way "secret".

I'm not a detective you know. I just wanted to make sure that Synereo team will see the thread... nothing more. I think that there is nothing wrong in my action?


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: Cryptorials on August 31, 2016, 04:40:33 PM
I don't always have secrets, when when I do I keep them nice and safe from prying eyes by putting them on a public website that anyone can view.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: Joint Force on August 31, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
If people understood my coin distribution string then everything would be clear and easily understood.
https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/771011205909647360



Using my coin distribution string... that only I understand ;) LOL

@Synereo is a 1CO?COPX?COP2CO
The ?COP is the problem.

You read this string

- 1st coin offering public
- unknown private sales
- Exchange listing
- unknown private sales
- 2nd coin offering public

That's not exactly how this coin is distributed but close. I think there may have been other coins in the mix for bounties prior to the 1CO and after it. People keep inventing new ways to distribute coins which messes up my model.

A more transparent distribution model that people would be more happy with would be 1COX2CO without the private sales.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: bbc.reporter on September 01, 2016, 04:04:32 AM
I tweeted to their official account. Let us see what will be their response.

https://twitter.com/FAILCommunity/status/771011205909647360

Doesn't an "accusation" actually have to logically claim something?

Could you please refrain from promoting libel & slander without doing the basic due diligence of finding out if the accuser is not acting out of personal interest, spreading FUD for their imagined gain?

Distributed ledger transactions that are then doubly communicated to publicly visible spreadsheets are in no way "secret".

I'm not a detective you know. I just wanted to make sure that Synereo team will see the thread... nothing more. I think that there is nothing wrong in my action?

No there is nothing wrong with your action. But it might be better to investigate more before making public tweets implying that someone is doing something wrong. Since it is public we have to be extra careful not to send out the wrong information.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: Spoetnik on September 01, 2016, 04:43:37 AM
I don't always have secrets, when when I do I keep them nice and safe from prying eyes by putting them on a public website that anyone can view.

LOL get ready for your lawsuit hahahhaha  :o

ICO = Scam.

..what more did you need to know people ?


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: spartak_t on September 01, 2016, 08:37:52 AM
Nope, it's just the type of

"shoot first, and ask questions later"
"slander you today on the front page, and then apologize days later on the back page"
"guilty until proven innocent"

attitude that our oppressors have been thrusting upon us for generations big brother

But then again, your arrogant negative pessamism here does make you rather predictable...

Is the glass half full or half empty?

It was a question. You can see that I used question mark in the tweet!

No there is nothing wrong with your action. But it might be better to investigate more before making public tweets implying that someone is doing something wrong. Since it is public we have to be extra careful not to send out the wrong information.

So this forum is not public? What is that I was implying?

To all:

https://i.imgur.com/eA71nOj.png

These are all the Synereo tweets made by the FailCommunity. I feel no need to justify myself to nobody!!! Synereo community answered to the "attack" and I think that case is closed, but if you think that jumping on me is a good idea, then you can all suck my balls!


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: PaulPogba8 on September 01, 2016, 09:57:30 AM
I don't always have secrets, when when I do I keep them nice and safe from prying eyes by putting them on a public website that anyone can view.

LOL get ready for your lawsuit hahahhaha  :o

ICO = Scam.

..what more did you need to know people ?

Not all icos are scams, ethereum, nxt, xem, stratis, lisk are all profitable coins, not scam. But amp has many rounds of ico, which i consider it as a scam


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: spartak_t on September 01, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Nope, it's just the type of

"shoot first, and ask questions later"
"slander you today on the front page, and then apologize days later on the back page"
"guilty until proven innocent"

attitude that our oppressors have been thrusting upon us for generations big brother

But then again, your arrogant negative pessamism here does make you rather predictable...

Is the glass half full or half empty?

It was a question. You can see that I used question mark in the tweet!


Just like the mainstream media does.  Thank you for confirming how your tactics of displaying a false accusation in the form of a question to insinuate guilt are indeed premeditated just like how the powers that be do it:

"Do illegal substances cause cancer?"

Good thing we put you in jail for having them!

Do I think you need a medical treatment?


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: bbc.reporter on September 02, 2016, 02:23:13 AM
Nope, it's just the type of

"shoot first, and ask questions later"
"slander you today on the front page, and then apologize days later on the back page"
"guilty until proven innocent"

attitude that our oppressors have been thrusting upon us for generations big brother

But then again, your arrogant negative pessamism here does make you rather predictable...

Is the glass half full or half empty?

It was a question. You can see that I used question mark in the tweet!

No there is nothing wrong with your action. But it might be better to investigate more before making public tweets implying that someone is doing something wrong. Since it is public we have to be extra careful not to send out the wrong information.

So this forum is not public? What is that I was implying?

To all:

https://i.imgur.com/eA71nOj.png

These are all the Synereo tweets made by the FailCommunity. I feel no need to justify myself to nobody!!! Synereo community answered to the "attack" and I think that case is closed, but if you think that jumping on me is a good idea, then you can all suck my balls!


I said I found nothing wrong with what you did. My point was to be safe and to avoid any confrontation it would be better to read more and research first than to be impulsive in making statements online because they are public. The people on the other side might take it the wrong way. To be honest I really find it odd that the Synereo rep person is being so defensive.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: spartak_t on September 02, 2016, 07:58:02 AM
My point was to be safe and to avoid any confrontation it would be better to read more and research first than to be impulsive in making statements online because they are public. The people on the other side might take it the wrong way. To be honest I really find it odd that the Synereo rep person is being so defensive.

I am always trying to be open and transparent, and no bananas or oranges can change that. My tweet wasn't a statement, it was something like a notice to the Synereo team and looks like they responded (though I'm not sure if SynereoCommunity is one of their official btctalk accounts, but I'm not gonna check it). I'm not sure why someone could take this the wrong way since it is "public" (like the banana and you said) and everyone can check by himself.

And I'm laughing at the defensive & researching parts. I am here with my real name and picture, but all of the sudden some anonymous bananas started jumping on me because of 1 tweet. I'm not the one who should make researches here. Have you all seen the screenshot I gave you? You see something wrong in the tweets? One of the goals of the FailCommunity's twitter account is to be informative and that is why we are listed in thousands of Bitcoin/fintech/cryptocurrency related lists. If I was the one with the scam accusation, you will read more than just a few words. Feel free to check (i.e. research) if I'm talking BS.

/thread

Cheers,
Spartak   


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: jacaf01 on September 02, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
WTF? What is this?   ???

Few days ago:

http://clip2net.com/clip/m224751/96a66-clip-386kb.jpg

.... and NOW:

http://clip2net.com/clip/m224751/c8f6c-clip-26kb.png

After what was seen, I have bases to suspect Synereo of an ill practice. Who knows how many bonuses they distributed to those who participated in this sale hidden from the public!

You in general understand?! DEVELOPERS SELL COINS SECRETLY! They have sold secretly for the sum of 1519 BTC. These are a little more than 8127767 AMP(On Poloniex only 3225772 AMP is now traded) at the prices 18k sat and they sold to them at this price (I am sure, they distributed to them also bonuses!)!  It it wasn't announced anywhere. You understand that they lie to us. And now they speak to simple users to purchase from them twice more expensively at the prices 33k? This fraud!


If it is hidden from the public how come you find the information on a public website.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: dadingsda on September 02, 2016, 01:04:53 PM


If it is hidden from the public how come you find the information on a public website.

hahaha.


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: bbc.reporter on September 03, 2016, 02:43:11 AM
My point was to be safe and to avoid any confrontation it would be better to read more and research first than to be impulsive in making statements online because they are public. The people on the other side might take it the wrong way. To be honest I really find it odd that the Synereo rep person is being so defensive.

I am always trying to be open and transparent, and no bananas or oranges can change that. My tweet wasn't a statement, it was something like a notice to the Synereo team and looks like they responded (though I'm not sure if SynereoCommunity is one of their official btctalk accounts, but I'm not gonna check it). I'm not sure why someone could take this the wrong way since it is "public" (like the banana and you said) and everyone can check by himself.

And I'm laughing at the defensive & researching parts. I am here with my real name and picture, but all of the sudden some anonymous bananas started jumping on me because of 1 tweet. I'm not the one who should make researches here. Have you all seen the screenshot I gave you? You see something wrong in the tweets? One of the goals of the FailCommunity's twitter account is to be informative and that is why we are listed in thousands of Bitcoin/fintech/cryptocurrency related lists. If I was the one with the scam accusation, you will read more than just a few words. Feel free to check (i.e. research) if I'm talking BS.

/thread

Cheers,
Spartak  

Ok. I get your point. I also said there was nothing wrong with your action. But please let me ask, do you think there is something fishy with the way the Synereo development team have handled this presale?


Title: Re: [SCAM] Synereo developers have made SECRETLY presale 8.000.000 AMP
Post by: iamnotback on September 03, 2016, 02:54:26 AM
But please let me ask, do you think there is something fishy with the way the Synereo development team have handled this presale?

Afaik, I don't think overly so, as compared to any other ICO. Note someone wrote an expose at Steemit about this (https://steemit.com/synereo/@stellabelle/2-problems-plaguing-steemit-that-synereo-has-already-solved#@joseph/re-stellabelle-2-problems-plaguing-steemit-that-synereo-has-already-solved-20160828t210149964z):

Quote from: @joseph
@stellabelle I will give you an unbiased opinion on Synereo. Let me give you some facts. Synereo started as an ICO, and very cheap one at that, the coins they started to sell were only a small part of 800 million, however after the ICO was done they started distribution with a script, the distribution script screwed up at night when they were sleeping, and when they woke up they started two instances of the same script, and ended giving some people double Amp's, making the situation worse. To resolve this situation they immediately shut down the distribution doubled the coins they initially issued and started giving people double what they bought. What was wrong with this? nothing except that the ico was only for part of the coins and another ico was supposed to take place which did not. They doubled the coins they hold and the coins that were initially set aside for development/foundation etc. That put a lot of question marks on their method. They then abandoned the coin to dump slowly on bittrex. No news, no developments. Even the devs were surprised when Amp was listed on poloniex. I will not tell you why now, because I do not want to start fud. On that day me and some other traders purchased a large sum of amps on bittrex and dumped it on poloniex at an extremely high price. The next day one of the devs who lives in Tel Aviv and never in his life left that city showed up, he was shocked at the news of amps making it to poloniex. Of course the dumping of amps started, they no longer needed another ico to dump two billion coins. And yes in the process they created a lot of bag holders, some of which are poloniex whales. So in short before poloniex added Synereo it was virtually abandoned vaporware. And Synereo is still vaporware, alpha or not. Now we have whales on amp that want to exit, recover, or make money. But over their heads looms the fact that there is at least a billion amps left in the hands of people who abandoned the project at one point. I would certainly question the come back when poloniex listed it. I would certainly advice you to be careful and not bet on the underdog. I won't even compare Steem to Synereo. One of the devs of synereo is involved in ETH, and the initial marketing they used to sell the ICO is very sketchy. I have not looked into it recently as I do not look back on such projects, even if they do bring about a new social network as they promise, there is a lot of questions they did not bother to answer on their shady start.
Their tech stack is still unproven, and a work in progress, compared to Steem's tested and proven tech. They already have funds to come up with something good in the end, they surely did sell a lot of amps at an incredible price. I bought mine at 13k satoshi on bittrex and sold them for 90k satoshi an hour or two later on poloniex. People always say in crypto you have to DYOR, take that literally. Promo videos are not research, I take that with a grain of salt. I did upvote however, because I agree with you that we have issues in Steemit and the devs and witnesses discuss that on daily basis trying to come up with solutions. Given time they will reach a consensus that pleases everyone, because everyone is vested in Steem for the long run.

But Scenario's communication has been spread out over numerous 1+ hour Google Hangouts that can bore the shit of the viewer and no one has the time to watch all that. And their white paper doesn't teach the process calculus, so it is difficult for anyone but perhaps a few experts in the world to know what the hell they are actually attempting to do.

It is sort of feels like they been figuring it out as they go along to some extent; to some extent it may or may not be technobabble BS (which they may truly believe in, I dunno).

And the entire concept seems to be economically and marketing non-viable to me, as I have detailed in other posts (mostly in the Steem pyramid thread lately).

The onboarding problem that every crypto has is the same. They can't get many users until they have many users.

Afaik, Synereo has no viable plan to solve that onboarding problem. People buying AMPs to promote content to users, doesn't work until you have many users. It is always the chicken or egg dilemma. Steem has showed how to onboard cryptogeeks, @dollarvigilante followers, and their gfs. But afaics (and stats agree (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558366.msg16123755#msg16123755)) hasn't figured out how to onboard the masses.

I am interested to see what happens with Synereo. I am mostly biting my tongue lately about Synereo (although I commented freely in the recent Steemit.com blog about it (https://steemit.com/synereo/@stellabelle/2-problems-plaguing-steemit-that-synereo-has-already-solved)), but I offer this summary above of my opinion.