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Title: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on March 30, 2013, 04:42:30 AM
Description
AndLTC-Wallet is an Open Source Android wallet app created by Simran. Using http://wallet.coinpool.net, the wallet can be accessed on the mobile device and online. No need to download the blockchain. This application is testing alpha stages!


How to
When you first open the app, make sure to write down you Vault Key! It's on the bottom right corner! This can be used to access your wallet online at http://wallet.coinpool.net/vault?key=<Vault Key> and if it prompts you for a password on the website, just press enter(No password).

If you reinstall the app, it will create a new wallet, so to recover it with your Vault Key, click "New Wallet", select "Key" and press "Ok".

Don't let anyone see your Vault Key! This is basically the identifier/password for your wallet!

When sending or receiving transactions, please click the refresh button. (It's either at the top, or click menu button).

To do
Refresh to check transactions every 'x' seconds
Refresh when sending a transaction
Having multiple wallets?
Vault Key Passwords


Fee
By default, http://wallet.coinpool.net/ software reserves 0.1 LTC for the transaction fee.


Disclaimer
There are bugs, this isn't the actual release. If you lose anything, LTC, Vault Key, not my fault.
EDIT: wtogami wanted me to add this:
https://i.imgur.com/XQyyDqC.png
Homie, you're the only risk here. Go away you persistent shill, ain't nutin finna change! ;)

Download
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simran.andltcwallet
http://rghost.net/download/44939415/26dd70d40a70c24d30828dde7eeca95e3d4e379e/com.simran.andltcwallet.apk

Sources
https://github.com/g2x3k/litecoin-instawallet-simple
https://github.com/Simran/AndLTC-Wallet

Tip
LTC: LRgbgTa3XNQSEUhnwC6Ye2vjiCV2CNRpib
BTC: 1AGP6xPTRvsAVhsRsBX13NUH6p6LJjyeiA
DVC: 13DxE3nuLUKM6CcdWdnfjkCXvjdgyQygJF


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet)
Post by: jasinlee on March 30, 2013, 04:44:24 AM
Awesome, saw this pop up on devtome.com glad to see some ltc android apps popping up. Sending some donations yer way :)


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet)
Post by: matauc12 on March 30, 2013, 06:45:56 AM
(Seriously not looking to troll, trying to be neutral here)

Frontend looks clean, but perhaps maybe add a bit more "touch of gray" (know its not done and maybe even in the pipeline).

And I think this one you should really consider and would perhaps help you a lot. I assume its gonna be on play store? The name "AndLtc'' is probably a bit redundant since its obviously for Android if on the play store. If I were you, being the first to release one I would secure the generic "Litecoin Wallet'' giving to less up-to-date people (which is probably a good portion) the impression of the "official" wallet.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet)
Post by: Wekkel on March 30, 2013, 07:13:57 AM
This is great news. Personally, I think crypto currency success is very much depending on mobile devices. This is a necessary steps along the way. A small step for Litecoin, a great step for [...]


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet)
Post by: Vitalicus on March 30, 2013, 06:33:45 PM
Great !
Can you do support and for PPC wallets ?


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet)
Post by: Simran on March 30, 2013, 08:48:46 PM
Great !
Can you do support and for PPC wallets ?

If there's a PPC Insta Wallet, I don't see why not.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) Now on Play Store!
Post by: Simran on March 31, 2013, 11:05:46 PM
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simran.andltcwallet

Added to Google Play Store, it's propagating, so give it an hour. Updated coded tooo, synced on Github.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on April 01, 2013, 03:51:43 AM
Update

While new version is propagating on the Play Store, I linked the latest version, and added and fixed some stuff.

Fixed some phones not being able to send LTC.

Added QR Code scanning, no external app needed, and using previous vault keys from the app.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Wekkel on April 01, 2013, 05:03:08 AM
Why does the app need access to certain private stuff instead of only pure Internet access?


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on April 01, 2013, 05:07:20 AM
Why does the app need access to certain private stuff instead of only pure Internet access?

Private stuff? I write the Settings.INI to the app folder and also read it. Take pics for QR code, and the rest is just internet and mobile network.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 01, 2013, 05:13:44 AM
Simran, are you adequately warning users that Instawallet and this Android wallet effectively has no security?  You not only trust your private keys to the server, but also you are trusting that nobody gets your secret URL.

Does your app at least connect to the server with SSL?


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on April 01, 2013, 05:17:20 AM
Simran, are you adequately warning users that Instawallet and this Android wallet effectively has no security?  You not only trust your private keys to the server, but also you are trusting that nobody gets your secret URL.

Does your app at least connect to the server with SSL?

You can add a password to the secret URL, so if anyone gets it they'd need the password.

SSL indeed.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 01, 2013, 05:55:22 AM
OK, assuming there are no flaws in that implementation that's better than I expected.

Folks should understand that they are trusting not only the operators of the server are honest, but there is also risk that funds may be stolen if the server were to be compromised.  Folks may be interested in the Android SPV-based client thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157932.40) where the client does not rely at all upon any server.  Security of your funds depends entirely on you to keep your phone secure and to make safe backups of your own data to prevent irrevocable losses of funds.

EDIT: April 4th, 2013
I personally wouldn't trust the SPV wallet app to large quantities of real money yet.  It does seem to work, as it is based upon the well known bitcoinj and Bitcoin Wallet for Android.  It does have the benefit of being more secure in keeping private keys on the local device.  Yet I would personally wait for more testing before trusting it with larger amounts of real money.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on April 01, 2013, 06:02:48 AM
OK, assuming there are no flaws in that implementation that's better than I expected.

Folks should understand that they are trusting not only the operators of the server are honest, but there is also risk that funds may be stolen if the server were to be compromised.  Folks may be interested in the Android SPV-based client thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157932.40) where the client does not rely at all upon any server.  Security of your funds depends entirely on you to keep your phone secure, and to make safe backups to prevent irrevocable losses of funds.

Indeed, the server the insta wallet is hosted on is backed up 4 times a day on different servers.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 01, 2013, 06:12:17 AM
(I'm not sure why I'm bothering to post to this thread when it is clear that you are entirely missing the point.  I only want to provide needed warning to your app users, since you are not adequately warning them about the full extent of risks.)


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on April 01, 2013, 06:19:31 AM
(I'm not sure why I'm bothering to post to this thread when it is clear that you are entirely missing the point.  I only want to provide needed warning to your app users, since you are not adequately warning them about the full extent of risks.)

Does putting everything in () mean youe talking to yourself. There's a disclaimer, not enough for you? Then leave.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: jasinlee on April 01, 2013, 09:01:08 AM
(I'm not sure why I'm bothering to post to this thread when it is clear that you are entirely missing the point.  I only want to provide needed warning to your app users, since you are not adequately warning them about the full extent of risks.)

This does appear to be either advertising for the other wallet, which is silly since some people may prefer a lite client that does not require the blockchain download. Its a different product, what do you wish to accomplish here beyond taking your 12 post account and shoving your opinions into this thread in an attempt to push the other app because I cannot see another reason to pursue this past the initial warning you "issued". This would also lead me to believe that you helped make the other app and if you did not why do you wish to cast the other author in a bad light.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 01, 2013, 09:06:21 PM
Believe whatever you want.  Users are fools to trust giving control of their private keys to anyone else when they don't need to.

That other wallet does not require downloading the entire blockchain.  It is a SPV client.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: jasinlee on April 01, 2013, 09:34:50 PM
Well I will believe what is apparent, you appear to be a shill. Why else would you create an account just to post on this thread.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 03, 2013, 01:33:25 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159673.0;all
http://www.adaptiveglass.com/?p=656
This is the type of InstaWallet that this app relies upon as a server.

Quote
Disclaimer
There are bugs, this isn't the actual release. If you lose anything, LTC, Vault Key, not my fault.

This is hardly a sufficient Disclaimer warning users of the risk of using your wallet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=164143.0
Instawallet/Bitcoin-Central Security Breach ... major exchange is down, same company that owns the InstaWallet.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: jasinlee on April 03, 2013, 01:40:30 AM
Self promoting shill that you are, I will now seek out the app you are promoting and give you bad ratings just because you are being a douche.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 03, 2013, 04:45:07 PM
You made a bad guess.  I haven't even used that other app yet.  It will have performance problems until the network has upgraded to Litecoin-0.8 because 0.6.3 lacks Bloom filtering.  Plus, how the heck would I be "shilling" for the other wallet?  There is no profit to be made for anyone.  This is all Open Source.

Seriously, read the InstaWallet thread to see why this particular wallet approach is quite bad.  They're shutting it down and it is not coming back in its current form because it is impossible to operate in a secure way.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=164143.msg1732097#msg1732097
http://notice.instawallet.org/

Quote
INSTAWALLET SERVICE NOTICE

The Instawallet service is suspended indefinitely until we are able to develop an alternative architecture.

Our database was fraudulently accessed, due to the very nature of Instawallet it is impossible to reopen the service as-is.

In the next few days we are going to open the claim process for Instawallet balance holders to claim the funds they had stored before the service interruption.

Important information on claims submission:

For the first 90 days we will accept claims for individual Instawallets. Your wallet's URL and key will be used to pre-populate a form to file the claim.
After 90 days, if no other claim has been received for the same url, your Instawallet balance under 50 BTC will be refunded. If several claims have been filed for the same url, we will process those claims on a case by case basis, under the presumption that the claim we received first belongs to the legitimate balance holder.
Claims for wallets that hold a balance greater than 50 BTC will be processed on a case by case and best efforts basis.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: jasinlee on April 03, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
Your arguments would hold more water if you hadnt only posted in this thread and the other ltc wallet thread. Use your brain when shilling, then you may have more credibility.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 03, 2013, 06:36:22 PM
Your arguments would hold more water if you hadnt only posted in this thread and the other ltc wallet thread. Use your brain when shilling, then you may have more credibility.

I am caught between "not wanting to reply to an idiot" and "needing to warn users about an insecure wallet".

Look at my post history.  After lurking for a long time, I joined to claim the free Ripple XRP, then to tell people about the p2pool LTC stratum that I fixed.  (Upgrade to git if you use p2pool LTC.  It contains two important fixes for Litecoin miners that caused p2pool-11.2 nodes to lose hashes and a small chance of an orphaned block.)  You may notice that I somehow posted to the non-newbie forums without the necessary posts prior to that.  Some people want to avoid the forums as much as possible.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on April 03, 2013, 09:14:29 PM
Your arguments would hold more water if you hadnt only posted in this thread and the other ltc wallet thread. Use your brain when shilling, then you may have more credibility.

I am caught between "not wanting to reply to an idiot" and "needing to warn users about an insecure wallet".

Look at my post history.  After lurking for a long time, I joined to claim the free Ripple XRP, then to tell people about the p2pool LTC stratum that I fixed.  (Upgrade to git if you use p2pool LTC.  It contains two important fixes for Litecoin miners that caused p2pool-11.2 nodes to lose hashes and a small chance of an orphaned block.)  You may notice that I somehow posted to the non-newbie forums without the necessary posts prior to that.  Some people want to avoid the forums as much as possible.

Nigga just leave already.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 04, 2013, 10:59:41 PM
You do not adequately warn your users of the risk of relying on a server to protect their funds.  Even if you trust the server operator to not steal the funds, it is dangerous to assume that the server can remain secure forever.

Quote
(Not sure when “upgrading” the app if the Vault Key is saved)

Seriously?  I'm amazed how little you actually bothered to understand and test this code that somebody else wrote.  You would seriously put an app on the Google Play Store that handles people's actual money when you don't know if they will lose their vault key on upgrade?

This is reckless and irresponsible.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: jasinlee on April 04, 2013, 11:24:22 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55025.msg1744168#msg1744168
See here for yet another reason why nobody should trust InstaWallet and any app that relies upon it.

You do not adequately warn your users of the risk of relying on a server to protect their funds.  Even if you trust the server operator to not steal the funds, it is dangerous to assume that the server can remain secure forever.

Quote
(Not sure when “upgrading” the app if the Vault Key is saved)

Seriously?  I'm amazed how little you actually bothered to understand and test this code that somebody else wrote.  You would seriously put an app on the Google Play Store that handles people's actual money when you don't know if they will lose their vault key on upgrade?

It is outright irresponsible for this app to exist, especially how carelessly you did it.


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c339/hollywoodchik101/you-mad-bro-.jpg


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: Simran on April 04, 2013, 11:34:26 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=55025.msg1744168#msg1744168
See here for yet another reason why nobody should trust InstaWallet and any app that relies upon it.

You do not adequately warn your users of the risk of relying on a server to protect their funds.  Even if you trust the server operator to not steal the funds, it is dangerous to assume that the server can remain secure forever.

Quote
(Not sure when “upgrading” the app if the Vault Key is saved)

Seriously?  I'm amazed how little you actually bothered to understand and test this code that somebody else wrote.  You would seriously put an app on the Google Play Store that handles people's actual money when you don't know if they will lose their vault key on upgrade?

This is reckless and irresponsible.

Oh I forgot, it does LOL, let me remove that. Added new Disclaimer too! ;)


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 04, 2013, 11:36:21 PM
Quote
<Simran> warren, ??@?
<warren> Simran: You are endangering users and being very irresponsible with that app
<warren> Simran: and no, I will not back down.
<Simran> okay
<Simran> I really give a shit lol
<Simran> JUST KIDDING
<warren> Simran: I'm willing to delete all the criticism if you add a big warning at startup telling users of the real risk
<Simran> Your criticism doesn't mean shit to me
<warren> OK,  you're welcome to do reckless and irresponsible things, and I'm entitled to call you out on it.
<warren> Simran: the alternative is to realize what you are doing is a bad idea and stop.
<Simran> warren, that's fine, I'm not stressin' it
<Simran> I reject your suggestion, sorry.
<warren> ok.
<warren> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simran.andltcwallet  Hey folks, I recommend reading about the InstaWallet situation and making your own decision.
<Simran> :D
<Simran> In fact, I thank you for commenting on my thread
<Simran> got me more downloads and donations
<Simran> Really appreciate it, nigga.
<warren> Simran: I'm glad how copying an open source app, barely understanding it and inducing people to put their real money into it shows people how smart you are.

Readers can judge for themselves if it is a good idea to trust this person.


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: jasinlee on April 04, 2013, 11:39:01 PM
Where is smoothie, this has got to escalate?


Title: Re: AndLTC-Wallet v1.1(Android LTC Wallet backend by Insta Wallet) | PlayStore
Post by: wtogami on April 05, 2013, 12:09:44 AM
InstaWallet's have a right to exist.  Users have the right to know the actual risk involved to make an informed decision if they want to use it or not.