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Taxes + tickets + ads revenues... All of this to pay executives and press relation managers high salaries?

That obviously depends on the place you are from, in my city buses are free to use for many groups of people. Unemployed, handicapped, caretakers, mothers with children nad so on... only men between 18-55 are required to have a ticket... equality ::)
Some cities in my state also provide absolutely free public transport but they are in minority as of yet. So it is possible, still can be profitable thanks to adverts and fund's from national budget.   

Just for example, in USSR people were allowed to travel one stop for free.

Law of physics + automation + open source software... Public utility company CEOs and their staff didn't yet experienced efficiency combined with austerity. Stream lining the processes.

Somebody has to drill for oil. Somebody has to refine the oil. Somebody has to build the vehicular transportation. Somebody has to build the roads. Somebody has to maintain all of it. Then there are the vehicle drivers. Somebody has to oversee all the activities. All these people need to get paid.

The real question is, why do politicians and government officials need to get paid? They do none of this, but they still get their cut.

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And the biggest cut! If you look at salaries in public transportation you will see that the CEOs and her public relation propagandists take the biggest cut! Then all the traffic of influences about deserving an area or another...

They get paid to take the blame for everything that's wrong with the country and believe it or not they play an essential role in the big picture. If people could learn to take full responsibility for their decisions and actions, there wouldn't be any need for politicians. But people are too busy doing as they please, the only way to be able to enjoy the pleasures of modern society to the fullest is by delegating responsibility to the man.

Gas money is needed,also for buying the vehicles so it's really hard for us to expect free public transport.Although I agree in some places the tickets are really expensive and I can't understand really why,it isn't a rational thing but that's it.

Corporate CEOs that run the transportation business are different than government officials.

In a free country, CEOs should get whatever cut they can get away with. Why? Because they are making the thing work. If someone can do it cheaper, they should do it. When this happens, CEOs will reduce their rates to remain competitive.

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You'll see how successful a country is once you see them providing free services like this.
In my case, it's far from being possible. Everything is yet being controlled with money.

Children in public schools don't pay tickets to go to class... Why shall public transportation cost?

Yes. The public transportation system costs money (rail network, bus), this money has to be received somewhere. Even if the government has the money, they usually don't make it free because they get personal profits directly from the corporations. This service could be paid directly from tax money, but we pay tax only to make some poorly educated guys rich right?

Too big to fail, too big to jail...

Someone pays the expenses of the teachers, pays to print school books, pays to have classrooms built, etc.  Why should people who don't have any kids in school pay for somebody else's kids? Let the parents pay their kids' own way. Otherwise, don't have kids.

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Exactly ;D and those who have 10 kids while other have none... However everyone would win if all schools would provide a quality education... Same for only tax subsided "free" public transport... Everyone could go... And maybe less traffic jam... And then no more ticket vending machines slowing the commute, no cards what ever. Just hoop and go... And no ads!!!

How public transport can be free? Vehicles costs big money, also fuel is expensive. Also, they need to pay for drivers. In my country bus transport companies hardly can surive, they almost don't have profit. Imagine, if public transport would be free, it would end with bankrupt.

Most public transport in the UK is owned by private firms from abroad.

The labour party wants to change this, and put into public ownership, but still, this will not matter, prices will still rise and the consumer will have to pay.

When the UK builds a new railroad, the taxpayer pays for it, the taxpayer builds it, the taxpayer pays for price rises.
The taxpayer is always out of pocket, and we always complain about it.

The taxpayer pays all of his life, then dies at the end of his working career, or not long thereafter.

No one pays the ferryman except for ourselves, and only then if we have some cash.

By free I mean no more tickets... Only taxes. Like the interstate highway system... You know there is a federal trust fund... Same for public transport but more at the county, city or state level...

Well, we already paying so much taxes, I don't think we need another tax. And not so big part of people using public transport, because they have their own cars. Who is main part of public transport clients - kids, students and old people. Kids don't pay taxes, students and pensioners are not rich people and they don't have money to pay more taxes.
But, I remembered that public transport is free in capital of Estonia Tallin since 2013
http://tallinn.ee/eng/freepublictransport/ (http://m.tallinn.ee/eng/freepublictransport/)
Talinn citizens have to buy green card to prove identity which costs only 2 euro. So, maybe free public transport can exist.

Quite the opposite. You wanna ride, you pay. You pay, you get the ride. Otherwise walk.

You wanna have kids, you pay to get them trained. Otherwise, don't have kids.

It is absolutely NOT fair to take money from people who don't get anything back in return. Why should somebody take your money, and use it to pay my ride, or my kids' schooling? It's your money. It isn't your fault I want to go from here to there, or I want to have kids to train.

But, if you WANT to give your money away, that's up to you. Just make sure I get a benefit when you take my money from me by force in something called taxation.

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It is free in Canada, for the old people, because they are really grumpy and would beat your ass if they had to pay a fare.

Well time to move canada then lol.

Plus you have more beautiful women over there as well lol. Also you guys have way better healthcare system then the US.

But as for the transport situation it actually goes back way earlier when things were headed towards tolls or the system was gearing towards electric - its a huge thing that oil industry stopped to continue their business.

Better feed the crocodile (socialist) chicken (public free transport) than see them go full communist.

The problem with your utopidan logic is that as long as there is central banking it has no meaning what so ever.

The problem with your socialistic thinking is that anyone can drop out of it if he/she wants.

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Yeah, even it is is free "directly" Its indirectly probably your tax money, Or do y'all think these busdrivers are doing this for fun?

if there were no charge for it do you think, where will the money come from to build and run it?

You seriously believe that the tickets pay for it? LoL...

I think making the public transport ticket free would increase people velocity, social cohesion and mobility, dynamize areas business, reduce traffic jam, fight pollution, reduce cost of operating the network, reduce labor cost, reduce crime, increase safety and make every one happier :).

If public transport meant 'publicly owned', then there might be a slim chance of that.  But in many cases, public transport is operated by private companies, particularly in the UK due to tory privatisation.  There was a time when we had a nationally owned rail network, but every time the tories get into government, they privatise more public assets.  The cost of rail tickets continues to increase while the service gets worse.  Sadly, the filthy, thieving tories won't stop with transport and will sell off literally anything and everything that doesn't belong to them, including schools.  It's not beyond the realm of possibility that children might need to pay for a ticket to go to class in future if the company that owns the school decides it would be profitable.  Privatise profits, nationalise debts.  Yet another calculated transfer of wealth from poor to rich.

So far, it is impossible to make it free. Somebody pays. Maybe the taxpayers.

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Ticket free!!! Of course it will paid through taxes (there are so many)!

Learn to type, your post made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Also, "utopidan" is not a word.

Paid = not free.    8)

I think it depends on the country where you from.  Here in our country all public transportation were not free.  Though I heard that trains here the fare were partly shouldered by the government that it is why it is a little bit cheaper.  If the country have high revenues and can shoulder all the fees and expenses of its people then it would be free.

not just for pays executives and press relation managers, but its also pays all bills, and buy gas for that public transport and we all know that gas price month by month is up really high so the public transport free which is funded by government is also have high maintain fee beside to pays others.

All the press and public relation manager of those public transport companies are here defending their bread and butter? I am sure anyway you have nothing most of the time to do but that.

What I don't get is: make it public, fully (taxes) or not (slash it). The pay-to-use while public is quite confusing to me. So why not tickets for public parks? There is cost for the "gas" (typical monkey shit, who has gas for his public transportation system ;)) for the maintenance engine...

1£ for hyde park per hour per person. (Gazzz for the machine, lightning, watchers etc).

What is funny is that most of you opposing me here are fucking communists... You just want the taxes and the tickets to raise your little salary and parrots like you were real private company. Look I can go farther with Ryan air for cheaper than with your "public transport". Just lol. And please stop to take people for idiots... Those who believe you will never be able to pay your "needs", leeches.

i am sure you are living in the worst capitalist country because elder people, disabled ones, pregnants, civil servants dont have to pay for puclic transport in my country and students and also teacher pay half of the fee. Finally, the rest pay for public transportation so you should leave your country ..

We need taxes for parks, because nobody would pay to use them, and we wouldn't have any. What's wrong with that... no parks? Nothing, except the politicians wouldn't get to skim off the taxes if there weren't any. So they make parks just so they can tax, just so they can skim, and most people go out of town for the weekend rather than use the parks.

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the substitution theory. The richer people pay more for the poor people. And it will meet the balance point.

It depends upon the place where you belong. If the public official that had been elected had a good governance to their constituents then they will find a ways and make a law to have a free public Transportation for the people specially to the poor.

Free (and ads free) for everyone, just hoop in... and go.

You are brain washed by Cultural Marxism dear mr. Communist.

The walfare rats like you and etc. Pp. Dont deserve and need that.
Next thing is free homes, cars and flying saucers for them?!


I just found you OP:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3793976/Mother-five-pockets-19-000-year-benefits-says-needs-t-afford-buy-school-uniforms-children.html

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but consider...

If you lost your arm in a car accident, where would you ever get another? Science doesn't know how to grow you another arm. And all their plastic and metal arms are way worse than your original. Even the few bionic ones are a bit of a problem, besides costing a fortune.

The point? The best things in life are free. And not only that, but there is nowhere else to get them when you lose them. So, why isn't free schooling and transportation built into life? Oh that's right. The best way to learn is by experience. And we DO have our feet and legs for free transportation.

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Gasoline is expensive and costs money, and Big Oil does not want us to make the switch to Hemp.

That is the shortest answer, and is the only way to answer it in one line without thorough discussion.

maybe even they work for public , some people need to get paid too that is why we pay for public transportt

Here in our country all public transport has fees but there are special days where Government let the people use it for free. I think here it will be scary if the public transport will be free. Because right now that we are paying to use it we are not satisfied with the service we got. Like for example waiting in the line for hours, out of service comfort rooms, not working escalators or elevators, defective aircons, no benches in the waiting area, defective trains, delayed arrival of the transport. We all experienced it even we pay for the service. How much more if we get it for free  I just hope that our Government will take an immediate action to resolve these issues. That's why I envy those countries who can get it for free at the same time having the best service experience.

Transport cannot be free. I saw a case where a grandmother had a free ride rode the bus to the other end of town because there product was 1% cheaper. For all this populism is paid by the taxpayer.

Nothing in this world is free. Even if the public transport is made heavily subsidized or free, you must remember that the tax paper is sponsoring the expenses. The expenses for running this program comes from the federal budget, which in turn depends on the hard working people for the revenues. This is the reason why I am against free public transport.

Someone has to build the vehicles, drill for oil, mine for coal, etc. People got into this for business so it's only natural that they'd want profit. Although I suppose it's possible to have free transportation if you have cheap oil or if the country has a renewable source of green energy, like how the Norwegians use electric cars because they got geothermal plants. If that's the case people can insist the gov't provide this for free, they can just simply but the vehicles and just use the readily available cheap oil/green energy.

Benefits of transportation is a thing of the past. People have to make so much money that they could afford not only the transportation, and everything else. I do think that the standard of living of the people depends not so much on the development of the economy but from government policy.

I have seen a lot of my friends struggling to afford transportation. Some of them travel as much as 30 km to work, and spend almost 4 hours everyday in conveyance. They have to depend upon public transport, as they don't have their own vehicles.

How can it be free when we have inflation? Every year things cost more, gas, salaries and even transit tickets. Its all part of the big machine that runs our countries..

In my own opinion, there are more important things the Government should support and provide for free. Examples are as follows: Hospitals, education, basic necessities in life like food, shelter etc. Fare or transportation expense is kind a bit cheaper than the needs I provided. They should focus more on Education and Health so that people can build a foundation to support their lives in the future.

It always depends on the place there are some transport that are totaly free and there are some transport that are need to pay fee because the daily maintenance that they need for the car and there are some important things that goverment should support to have more transportation.

I agree with this. Education and healthcare are the most basic necessities. And both are getting more and more unaffordable now. A good medical insurance can cost at least $5,000 per year for a single individual in the United States. Who can afford such policies?

I really want it to be free because the government pays the transport right? but still we pay -_- its really because the government have the slightest care about the civilians problem if that is applied to once's country then that problem will be solve in an instant but still its not the main problem of the government really its just they don't know how hard it really is to be a civilian with no service only paying public transport and i am even mad because they are not going to add some of the transportation when i was going ride a public transport its really crowded i have to wait for 2 hours to come ride a public transport again -_- i mean really the government don't even realize that we work hard to pay our taxes and they gave us more stressful time -_- if you report then they will ignore it -_-

If desired, the Americans can afford health insurance for $ 5,000. Just for this you need to give up some other benefits, and they are not willing to do. You in Russia for the worst quality of health care pay a higher percentage of payroll for health insurance.

There is no charge at all, that is what the socialist society will have. Anything is a paid action. You may only pay a part, another part of the government to help you advance.

Feels like it should be free via government but yeah taxes and salaries take a major dip !

Transport free can be free + clothing + food + house + health + education. But you also need to work for free. Do you agree with it?

But sometime in the near future within 100 years. Once every work is occupied by robots the government are oblige to give the citizens its basic needs.

If it is made free, then crooked parasitic people will exploit the option for free travel. In the end, those who need to travel will not be able to do so, because of the crowd.


Stay on the topic. Healthcare in Russia, and the other eastern European nations is much more affordable than the same in the United States.

Transportation and other benefits will be free, only after we have the robots manufacturing and doing everything for us.

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You are kidding yourself. Even if all the robots will be doing, it is still the transportation services will cost money. Need to service robots, need to fuel transport. In addition, the robots need to produce, and it also takes money.

Driverless vehicles are operating around the world, as we discuss this topic here. So robots are in action right now. But even then, the transport has other expenses, such as the fuel costs, and maintenance costs.

I seriously doubt that, maybe in countries like Swiss only... Here buses are a disaster and the cost of tickets are ridiculous. For example: if you're a student and you live a little further from your college, you need to pay about 1$ for he ride and with that one ticket you can drive around for 1:30 hours thats when it expires, so if you have lectures for 2 hours (an that's mostly the case) you need to pay 2$ daily just for transportation, so monthly that's around 50$ more or less and if you account the meals in cafeteria where all three meals are somewhere around 2$ too, meals would also cost around 50$ monthly without weekends and the average salary here is 400$ but if you let's say finda  job while you're at college you'd be wroking for a min wage that is around 200$...

So with all that the ticket prices and the state of busses and every other public transport shape, they're not forth the 1$ per ticket and that's why I'm always riding without paying for one, I simply didn't have any money to pay with.

Maybe then there would be less people working so the costs of a business are lowered by that but robots still need to be taken care of...

It's not true, public transport in my city is free :)
Ok, well, only for weekends and during holiday season.
Well, nothing really is free in our lives.
When you look public transports, for example, there are a lot expenses here.
Petrol, salaries for workers, taxes etc.
Someone have to pay for it, either users or local government.
If they don't have enough money, it's just natural thing that users have to pay.

Any coin has two sides. The more robots will do the work of the people, the less jobs and the greater will be the deficit of the pension Fund. How will a person live in a society of robots?

That would greatly depends on what you choose in your life, there are some jobs that humans are just better at. Simply put, earth is overpopulated. :D

It's not free because people are willing to pay for it so someone has an incentive to charge and make money from it. Government doesn't care about your interests.  :-\ :-\

Once the robots are built to service themselves, including mining and processing the raw materials, they won't need us, except in a few very specialized areas.

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Are you talking money here? Robots don't need money. Tokens can be given to people to use the benefits of the robots. People who are fearful that they won't have a place in life, need not be. People will be way more inventive than robots for a long time. People will always be able to find themselves something to do.

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The metals, software and chips needed for manufacturing robots needs to be purchased from somewhere. Also, the robots need electricity for their operation, and paid services such as GPS and software subscription to perform normally.

Not if the robots mine and refine the metals, manufacture the software chips, put together and operate the power plants, run the GPS towers and satellites. And why would they need subscriptions to something that they handled the services for?

Robots can be designed to do all this with little to no supervision. And they don't have to be intelligent robots.

Sure, a few people might need to be available for contingencies that were not thought of ahead of time, or for certain kinds of emergencies. But most of this can be handled in the programming. The few people that would be needed, would be around because they wanted to be. Robots would do all the heavy stuff.

So, what would people do? Anything they wanted. Robots would make everything people needed for life and enjoyment. Travel the world. Swim in the Caribbean, or the off Maldives if you like. Transportation is free, handled by the robots. Everything that is made by people is now made by the robots, for free, because it doesn't cost the robots anything to go out and do it. They rebuild their own worn out parts for free.

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Why something should be free? I believe that for everything in this world you have to pay. This is important. If you are for something does not pay, then you don't appreciate it. Give something free that you appreciate.

I appreciate public bathrooms so I don't have to defecate in a designated street or the ocean like they do in india. https://youtu.be/ixJgY2VSct0?t=6m19s

Public toilets and their operation cost money. Therefore, the value and the nature of man is given free of charge. So Hindus without a doubt, her foul, the Chinese cut down forest. And a lot of what's going on.

Exactly. People don't appreciate something, which is given for free. Wasteful spending and vandalism will follow. Subsidizing the public transport is a good idea. But making it entirely free may be bad.

To subsidize the transportation you need somewhere to take the money for subsidies. If I have a car and I don't use public transport, why should I through taxes to pay for a service which is not use?

Further exactly. So, you realize that something that isn't free isn't appreciated? Well then work to keep yourself from using the free stuff. Work hard and figure out a way. Or pay for those who want it free. Nobody says you have to use free stuff. Just don't use it. There will be lots of people like you. Join with them and work like crazy. It will even be tougher for you, because you will have to fight your own temptation to use the free stuff. Be an man/woman. Stand up and work.

But let those of us who want the easy life have it.

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I believe that if the service is free it must be all. This service for me is the use of the beach. In some countries there is an attempt to make paid entrance to the beach. For me this is not acceptable.

If government, for example, offered a free meal to everyone, this doesn't mean that everyone would have to accept it. If the beach was free for all, this doesn't mean that everyone would have to use the freedom to use the beach. Some people would still want to work for it.

Let them work if they want. Let those of us who want to eat free, or to use the beach free, let us do it.

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This depend on country because in many countries its free for all and some have this for minorities like handicapped mother's with kids and old peoples but in some corrupt countries all have to pay even old and handicapped 

Not a problem and who offers what for free, the problem is who pays for it. I pay taxes and want my money spent on what I want. If I had my way, I would give taxpayers the right to choose where to pay their money.

The thing we are talking about is robots working. Robots work for free. Why? They are simply machines.

Obviously we are not at the stage where most things are made by robots. But if we were there, things would be free.

Not everybody would want the free stuff that the robots did for us. Some people would only feel fulfilled if they had to work for it. Let them. Let them work right along side the robots. When they got tired of working, they could enjoy the free stuff like all the rest of us.

Taxation would be gone. Government doesn't need taxes for anything if the robots do everything.

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This is nonsense! To keep order we need the power, and the maintenance of power requires money, so we need taxes, and to pay the taxes needed revenue, and that was the income need work. That means that the robots do not need.

I agree. The video and the whole idea is nonsense. But, if we had robots doing close to 100% of everything we need to sustain our style of living, there might be no need for government.

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And who will fight bandits? If they don't need money, what other values need to be mandatory. Even if there are no values then the quality of the food is different. In the end women from rape somebody needs to protect. Police are always needed! And this tax.

If things are all free, people will have guns freely. Bandits will be dead.    8)

What will you do if you are one, and bandits 10? How will you defend yourself even if you have a weapon. No I think this is not an option. Besides who will look for the bandits if they kill somebody?

There are police all over the place in some countries where suicide bombers do their thing. Police don't help fast enough.

There will always be people that die from bandits. But most of the bandits will be dead once people decide to stand up and do their own self-protecting.

Besides, if the bandits get everything in life free because the robots build it for them, the bandits mostly will stop their life of crime.

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There is such a world cannot exist. If robots learn to exist without the person, then the person will disturb them. They will destroy it. How man destroys everything weaker and fairer Cham it.

Robots don't have to be AI.

In an automobile plant, where they make cars, they have robots working right with people, making cars. If the robots could do everything, the people would not be needed. But, so far, there are some things the robots can't do, and they need people for. Things will change in the future.

There is a McDonalds in Phoenix, Arizona, that is entirely run by robots, right now.

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For the production of burgers using meat, and who will grow the animals, who will prepare them hamburgers? The task of robots to facilitate the work of people, but what do people who don't find a job?

As I said earlier, we aren't at the point where nearly everything is done by robots, yet. It is coming. When it gets here, who will need a job? Robots are machines, like a car is a machine. They will supply us with everything we need for free. Nobody needs a job when that happens.

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When in Russia dreamt of a society. Then there were robots but they dreamed of communism. This led to the fact that people had nothing to eat and the Soviet Union collapsed. Such a model of society where people are not working it is a utopia.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Russia never had robots that could do most of the work. It isn't even like this in America. But it is getting there. I take freedom from work. But I work willingly if I don't have to.

Let the robots do the work. Let us do some of the work for the fun of working. Let us go on vacation with the robots supplying everything we need.

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Russia never had robots, but in Russia, dreamed of a society which does not need money. Where people will work as entertainment. This is what we like your idea, though certainly not completely.

This would work IF Russian leaders didn't take more money/property/goods than anybody else. As it is, leaders everywhere try to steal from the people. Robots wouldn't do that, and governments wouldn't need to steal if robots made everything that government people needed.

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And you saw a country where the government does not Rob people? Call this. Man is so constituted that if he has the opportunity to steal something, he will do it. After he leaves the government he will be able to live and never work.

Haven't seen it. But if robots become the norm throughout the working world, it just might make government robbery, and even most of government itself, obsolete.

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Why do kenyans have smart phones if they dont even have enough money to purchase food and rent?

Yeap, just because it's called a robot, that's doesn't automatically mean that it's an AI. But if AI comes into power by some miracle, one small emp bomb can take them down pretty quick. :|

Well they can't get mobile money if they don't have mobile phones...duh.. But seriously, smart phones are like a necessity, maybe mroe like water and food, but still even the people on the verge of poverty have a mobile phone.

Nothing can really be free actually as many of these free programs are funded by taxpayers' money. However, yes there can be many innovative and creative ways to deal with this challenge but in many cases not all people can avail of the free service...you must belong to the marginalized sectors.

IMO, nothing should be made free. Even for those belonging to the "marginalized sectors". Subsidization is a good thing, but don't give away anything for free. Those belonging to the marginalized sectors should be made to work.

For the sake of argument, everything should be free. Consider the following.

Everyone gets his life and body free. If a person loses a body part, science and the medical might be able to replace it. But the replacement isn't nearly as good or complex as the original. And it costs lots of money, whereas the original was essentially free.

Now, think about things that people make, like houses and cars and computers, etc.  These things are not free. But they are far inferior to body parts which nobody can build.

Something is wrong here. The cheaper junk that people make costs more than the highly complex stuff that nature makes, and that people have no ability to make.

If you wanted to buy yourself a whole new body, built from scratch, the price might be $infinite, if it were even possible.

Since the best stuff in life is free, everything should be free.

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That's the way nature works. When you are born, you will be gifted with organs which are in perfect working condition. When one of your organs fail, you are supposed to die. You are going against nature, when you are replacing your organs such as kidneys and liver.

Made to work? Are you supporting slavery? People have the right to choose their way of life, if they want to beg you have to let them, just as when they want to work themselves to death you can't make them stop.
That's the beauty of freedom so many countries have fought for.

I don't agree with that. After all, nature allows us the ability to make body parts to some extent. So, it isn't wrong to do and use the things nature has allowed.

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but if we were given higher intellect by nature and we've managed to develop procedures that will help us live longer and better like replacing certain body parts, why isn't that natural? It naturally happened that we're able to do that unlike animal that don't have the intellect or anything do perform such things.

It wasn't nature giving it to us. It was nature allowing the things that God gives to exist in us. Of course, nature can't really stop God's gifts. So even the passing through that allows gifts, is just a passing through, designed by God to happen by cause and effect.

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Because it goes against the rule of "survival of the fittest". In the old days, only those who are extremely healthy would survive in to their 20s and 30s. The situation has changed now, due to the advancement in the medical field.

It is Finland sometimes free bus in morning :) Pirateparty Finland is saying about this (Free public transport)

In my country, all public transportations are owned or leased by private entities, the government awards the infrastructure projects to the highest bidder and after finishing it, they will be the one to operate it under rules and regulations by the government. So basically all public transportations here can never be free.

IMO, infrastructure projects must be undertaken by the government, rather than giving them to private corporations. If the private companies gain ownership to these projects, then they will make transport unaffordable to the general public.

That's cool but in the morning rush hour alot of revenue will be lost. It doesn't sound like a good idea to me. How do you pay to repair and expand the transportation system? Its best the way it is.

There are some transport that free to used by employee or because of the traffic sometimes i don't think that there are some of countries will be a free transport every ride , GOverment here in my country want this but they have something to do and they need to pay taxes and for the maintenance of every vehicle.

Robots can be built to do all the work, from the mining of the raw materials, to the rolling out of the pavement.

Robots don't need any more than in their "life" than to work. So, they will do all the work for free.

Robots can even repair themselves, and make their own spare parts.

Robots mean freedom for all people.

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Public transport isnt free and why. It depends on the country you are in. Well in my country the government calls it as "Economic Enterprise". These are branches of the government who does not rely on the government for the salary of the personnel and the daily operations except for big purchases of course. The pay on this public transport are to be used to pay their personnel, to the maintenance of the terminal and the equipments and others. If these expenses will be taken from the government budget then many sectors of society will be affected in terms of delivery of services due to shortage of funds. So let it be, so that the public transport can sustain on its own while not touching the allotments for service delivery of welfare sectors.

Without a complex system of robots, transportation will never be free. Why not? Because the people that provide the transportation get paid. The only thing that changes from country to country is where they get the money from to pay the transportation workers.

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In my country travel privilege enjoyed only the disabled and people who have retired. The Government reimburses losses to carriers.

It is very interesting. Can these people make unlimited number of journeys? Or is there a limit in place? If there is no limit, then the private carriers can exploit the government by showing fake travel proofs.

Because the driver require gasoline, and gasoline could not be obtained for free. Gasoline must be purchased and buy gasoline must use the money. In addition, public transportation management company also bought a vehicle with the money. They also must always fix their vehicles, and repairing vehicles also use the money. buy oil also made money, salaries of employees also made money. So it is natural that public transportation is not free.

You mean only people between 18-55 no?
Unless you imply all women between 18-55 are mothers with young children?
And your city is strange if the bus is free only for mothers and not fathers...

Agreed but only if it's developped with some kind of redistribution of wealth (I won't say the word socialism here, it would make the whole forum come crying) because otherwise only the people owning the robots will have anything.

What does anyone need the things that are considered wealth for, when he can have anything for the asking, free from the robots?

Essentially, robot workers doing everything, is a redistribution of wealth.

Suppose you want all the gold. It doesn't do you any good to sit there an look at it. The same with paper dollars. Even land. You can only live on so much land at a time.

Non-AI robots are the future of wealth by what they will freely give is all.

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Probably very nice if our daily work is done by robots, we no longer have to bother doing our daily work. But on the other hand, what should yag humans do if all tasks assigned to a robot? Humans will become more silent and it is not good for health. The human body is designed to always move so that all functions in every organ of the body is not damaged. Because if rarely used, a long time will be damaged and loss of function.

Redistribution of wealth is the most basic ideal of Socialism. So if you are arguing in favor of the redistribution of wealth, then you are a socialist.

In my opinion, the robots must be under the ownership of the state. That will eliminate the possibility of wealth concentrating in the hands of a few individuals.

Communist  ;D

Right. What wealth? The robots shouldn't be owned. They do everything for everybody.

Does it make anybody a better person to own a thousand gallons of ice cream? What good is a thousand tons of gold to anyone? Who wants ice cream and gold when the robots can make it for you at any time. And what good is it? Nobody can eat a thousand gallons of ice cream, or a thousand tons of gold.

Do you like the color of gold? Put yourself in a gold plated room, and look at it for a hundred years. What good does it do you?

The wealth is in your life, your feelings, your health. The robots give you the joys that you want. That's the wealth.

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Sometimes i wonder why you are such a religious zealot even though you are able to think quite into the future.

For your good. Haven't you noticed that people are religious creatures? Embrace your religiosity. You just might find a form of it that will allow you to live forever.

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I think it depends on your country. In my country buses and other public transport is not free. If youvare a pwd, pregnant, seniior citizen, students, they only give a discount on your fare. Sometimes there are government vihicles that give free rides to people but not everyday.

If public transportation were "free", then it will simply be paid for by taxes. Nothing is free.

Consider the self-driving vehicles that are on the roads right now. They are free from drives. Go the next step.

Robots make the vehicles for free. Robots make the roads for free. Robots do the driving for free. Robots do everything for us for free.

We are not there YET. It is coming. Full freedom. Let the robots do the work.

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Discounted rides are much better than the free ones. Also, the government must make sure that only those who are truly disabled should get these discounted rides. And that too, only for a certain number of rides per month.

Some parts of the world it is free.
I would take a guess and say Switzerland and Sweden even Denmark since they are the wealthiest nations of the world with not so much debit as USA has.
Even some richer places like Calgary in Canada has free access to their street cars in the metropolitan downtown area.

Public transport is not free in countries such as Switzerland and Denmark, as you have posted. In Sweden also, public transport is free only in three cities (Avesta, Kiruna, and Övertorneå).

Who will drive transport for free within 8 hours ? For what money purchase new buses, spare parts, fuel ? This is utopia my friend. But, You can subsidize it with the budget, in a rich country.

Public transport is free in capital of Estonia - Talinn. To use it, people have to be registered in Talinn and buy green card, which costs 2 euro.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/oct/11/tallinn-experiment-estonia-public-transport-free-cities? (https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/oct/11/tallinn-experiment-estonia-public-transport-free-cities?)

The best things in life are free. Nobody can give you your life back when you die. But you got it free... at least the first time around.

Dumb things like transportation are not free, and often cost a lot. But the important thing - your life - was given to you free.

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Yes.. In Europe, apart from the few smaller cities, public transport is free in two big cities. Talinn (population of around 500,000) is one of them. The other city is Voronezh (population of 1 million). Unfortunately Prague (population of 1.3 million) no longer offers free public transport, although talks are ongoing to revive it.

https://farefreepublictransport.com/city/

Free public transport exist and there arent just two cities in east europe that have it :)

Seems france, poland and the us are pioneers regarding free public transport.

To say it is free, doesn't make it free. Transit workers still get paid.

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Yes of course. But i think "free" public transport would be overall better for our society because more people would use it. Way more efficient then everyone driving in their own car.

Efficient... perhaps.
Effective... probably.
Free... not for somebody who has to depend on the government to do for him what he could do more effectively and efficiently for himself.

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In my opinion public transport simply can't be free because, first of all, such category of service requires certain expenditures, for instance on petrol, bus drivers' engineers' salaries and vehicle maintenance and/or renewal. second of all, according to lies, which our "precious servants of the people" try to feed to us, governments can't provide us with this service for the same reasons, which have been elucidated in the first sentence. and also because public transport usually belongs to private companies Of course everybody (including me) wishes that public transport was free. had it been free, we would be able to save up more money and spend either on clothes, books, music notes, new cello or guitar strings, bouquets or posies for our significant others and music teachers etc.  :) on the other hand, we just have to find more alternative ways of earning money tax-free or we could strive to become the best at what we do and thus we will be able to earn money and stop wasting out time thinking how everything is expensive and unfair. Life is a cruel mistress, though worth fighting for. I wish all of us luck and more fighting spirit coz there will be a hell of battle in the future and bloodsheds, and triumphs afterwards...

If people avoid using their personal vehicles, and use public transport instead, then the government will be able to save a lot of money. The crude oil import bill will go down, and so will the maintenance bill for the roads.

Because it cost too much to run???  ???

It's isnt free because people working in a public transport need salaries too.

Government might save some money. But the people won't. Why not? Because the government will tax them to death to pay for public transportation.

If I want to use my walk-a-mobile (feet and legs), and pay for shoes rather than public transportation, why should I be forced to pay for other people riding the bus? Let them pay for the bus, or not ride it, and pay for their own shoes, instead.

Or are you part of government, and want to take my freedom away from me?

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But it is cheaper than other kind of transport like private taxi or something else but also it is good also for students as far as I know.

They pay much less than people that are non-students and sometimes free within the city but this is based on the city and country.

Obviously, there are people who want to give students free or near free transportation, right? But you can bet your little booties that there are people who DON'T want to give students free or near free transportation.

If I don't want to give students free transportation, then why should I be forced to pay it?

Let the people who want to give free transportation get together under a private organization/operation. Let them pool their money. Let the students that want free transportation apply for it from the private organization. Let the organization give them their free transportation from people who want to give it to them.

Get government's hand out of my pocket, taking my money for things I don't want. The whole thing boils down to government doing freebees so that they have an excuse to take more of my money.

Sometimes, government people are the ONLY people (besides the students) who want to give students free transportation. Let me be free from government. And let me support the things I want, while others can support the things they want.

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In my country also, there are special concessional rates for the students. It is there because some of the poor students can't afford the normal rates. So in the past there were instances of students dropping out of courses due to the unaffordability of conveyance.

I think that the best scenario is to be registered in universities every 3-4 year and get that student ID and travel like a boss.

Its sad to think deeper that it is free for them but someone else should pay them without any profit.

And who will pay for such travel on a student ticket? Why do you think that the state should pay for a free trip, not to feed the homeless for example? Students need to do to earn money, and the duty of the state to help them.

Well if you ask me it will never be actually that easy. Schools won't send you out of the country just for the sake of. They go out of the country not just for vacation but to actually do something there, i don't know, study perhaps?

Study abroad is good, but how students can apply their knowledge in practice? Many countries simply do not have the same level of production and medicine to the returning students could implement what they learned abroad.

Students need to study, and contribute to the society by becoming good employees after their studies. Job and studying will not go together. If the students are forced to work, then their studies will suffer.

If you mean that students should not be forced to work while they are studying, then I guess you are right. They should not compromise their studies by working part-time for some thing. But then again, I know I can never blame them because of their needs.

I don't mean that you will get a business class on public transportation when you become student but because of the low budget that students face they have discount on the transportation and sometime free of charge on some services.

This is good because they can't cover all the expenses and as far as I know students take a large loan for their studies.

I am not a supporter of the concept of free travel. If you are so concerned about the students raise them a scholarship and they themselves will have to decide whether to ride them or walk, and to make a more comfortable housing.

Taking large loans will also put pressure on them. They will be tempted to opt for low paying jobs, rather than trying for higher education. IMO, the government should provide a small handout, to the top 10% or 20% of the students.

Interest on education loan is not so high that it is not a problem. The problem is to find first job. Then the state should help the students. Unfortunately a global trend to reduce the number of jobs that delay beginning.

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The answer to that is basic because if it is free, then its susceptible to abuse and when that comes in, the efficiency will drop drastically.

Aside that, the money being raised has been subsidized already and that is why its a public transport the money now generated is just used to cover overheads and not any major thing as government is responsible for that.

If you live in a first world country then you may get some kind of government help to incentive the use of those services but in poorer countries you have to pay full price when you use public transportation.

Even if they get good jobs, the students struggle to repay the educational loans. This is due to the steep rise in tuition fees. The government must make education free, and the problem will be resolved.

In some cities, the public transport is free. But this is usually compensated by special taxes and other things.

What countries are these? I've never heard of a single place where transportation really is free. Well if anything I admire Singapore because their transportation is actually efficient not to mention cheap.

When government says that it will do something "free" you expect that it will get expensive as hell, and pretty inefficient.

Same with the word "public".... it does not mean what you think it means.
"public" in this sense means that private interests are using government power to run their business.

I don't know those cities and countries where the transport was free. Transport is pretty expensive for him to pay. If the state subsidizes some social group, they just get the money in the account and paid by them for the transport.

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Bicycle transport is not an option. I hope that soon scientists will come up with a battery to be rapidly charged and keep power. It will be the end of the oil era. May be an increase in the number of terrorist acts is the response of Muslims to such attempts?

My point isn't the same as the point of the article. My point is that this is where all free transportation winds up. Socialism goes right along with it.

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I do not believe in socialism. It's a tale that can not be implemented. Everything in the world costs money. To transport was free it was necessary that one it paid. State for these purposes, collects taxes. There's more like Trump who do not pay taxes. Therefore transport will not be free.

goverment cannot produces money that easy, imagine if all over the goverment products are free.
how goverment can take care of us if there is no budget, goverment's budget came from us

but in case there is overpriced public transport, i would like to give 'em critics

There are some countries where public transport is free, for their citizens. For example in Estonia especially in Tallinn public transport is free =)

The only way that transportation aproaches being free is if the people being transported use their walk-a-mobile, barefoot. Otherwise, all the parts of transportation have to paid for by someone laboring to make the transportation parts happen and work together.

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Deodorant might cover a strong smell, but you can still tell a political hypocrite by what he says and does.

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You need to mention that in Talinn, the public transport is free only for the residents (need to show an ID card). If you are a tourist, or a visitor from some other city, then you need to pay for the transport.

It cannot be free because they need to buy fuel,maintain the car or bus and also make profit from it nobody will go into a business without making profit

Because they ned to maintenance their transport thats why tickets and other fee are not free if the goverment are super rich maybe they can get some way to make things possible also they can't be free transport because no one driver wants to drive people for free.

Yes do experiment with free transport in Tallinn has been quite successful. Some cities of Poland and Romania is also now trying to do the same. But for this the city of Tallinn has increased the cost of Parking. Just shifted the payment of tolls on motorists.

For me, public transport must be free, it is about to serve people. But sometimes, some of our politicians steal our own money (tax), some of our politicians do bad or illegal things for their own. Where our tax goes? What are the things do our politicians do, where own tax goes ?

Yes, we all know that we are paying tax, but all of us do not know where tax goes ? We all know that taxes that we are paid for, is for our streets and highways, but why our streets and highways are broken. Why did the government did not do it ? Where did they spent our taxes ? Local government should know this

Banks too busy loaning money to the military for war. No time to loan to the local government for the roads.

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I have a other question, why public transport should be free?

The must pay for the workers, the fuel, the cars and that every day.

Your question make no sense in my opinion.

Its also good question why public transport should be free because they have to do many things like fuel workers maintenance and buying of new stuff so you can create your own thread with this question

Obviously because public transport  workers also have needs  and they can acquire it by getting the payments in the public, but I am proud to say that there are city here in the philippines offering free public transport and all the expenses and wages for the workers are paid by the government , I think it is feasible as long as the government will pay for the expenses.

Some cities in Philippines offering free public transport, while other cities cannot provide free public transport. Imagine, all of cities will offer free public transport, where will the government get their expenses? Another tax price hike will be. Can we trust government officials can return our tax money for our own expenses?

That is the best thing to do. Now the residents will be more inclined to use the public transport, and they will use their private vehicles only when it is necessary. This will reduce the pollution, and the municipal expenses also will decrease.

Not only that. But an efficient transportation system will also attract tons of tourists.

Nothing is free,it just means taking more from the tax payer to fund it.Maybe it will cause a public become crowded.We have to pay for it in the form of taxes.I think without fares, public transit would run out of money and break down. Or you worry that a free ride would attract riff-raff threatening other passengers' safety and comfort.

Nothing is ever free. Where would the money to run the service come from? Higher taxes. Then people who don't use it are going to be pissed off.

Already and so taxes raised to the limits and wages are small, so transport can not be free. Perhaps in the future there will be such cheap technologies that will make public transport available for free, but this is not enough for me.

Perhaps trains that run on magnets. That would make the load lighter.

Public transport is heavily subsidized in many of the countries, as it helps in minimizing the vehicle pollution. If more and more people use public transport instead of individual vehicles, then the government will be able to save quite a lot of money.

There are pros and cons to everything. I just feel it would be an issue that will be chaotic because politicians are going to pick sides, and their party are going to choose that side.

It  spengs source.

Obviously because there is a big cost(maintenance, wages of employees) which cannot be undertaken from many governments as a social provision. However in some countries like as in my country for some social groups such as pupils, students, unemployed, large families, the elderly, etc. the law gives them the right to pay a reduced ticket which 50% of the regular one.

There is also the assumption that most citizens will have vehicles, and choose the most efficient method of transport (time wise) because of convenience. No one with a car, is gonna wake up 4 hours early to catch 3 bus exchanges to get to work. Otherwise, there would be more people than seats on public transportation, and both the amount of transport, and the cost of transport would have to be raised to keep it together.  Public transportation serves a very specific function; providing transportation to social groups which typically don't possess vehicles (students, elderly, the working poor).

It seems to me that the government only loses money on public transport. You forget that for public transport the government spends money, and the car spent every liter of fuel gives a profit to the government as excise taxes. I'm not talking about the transport tax, etc.

And even if you calculate the costs that go to beneficiaries who travel for free, then all public transport can be considered unprofitable.

No, i don’t think it would sustain itself.

The best is No Profit, No Loss. Also, look at over all profitability, instead of route wise profitability. Otherwise, certain routes would not be started or sustained at all, bringing discomfort to many.

When subsidised, many routes are making loss. So, i think public transport should be following the market. If they don’t public transport bodies find ways to make it profitable at the cost of reliability and wide availability. Example - Giving busses on contract to industries at profitable rates, at the expense of office hour travellers, who have to travel belly to belly at their preferred rates and at much lesser frequency.

When cars and buses are fully automated with no need for drivers, costs will come down.

Then we could see them possibly becoming free at the point of use.

If the people use their own vehicles, then the government needs even more money to maintain the roads and the traffic system. Also, the number of accidents will rise, and the people will be late for work as well.

Public transport is a very profitable business in some countries and mostly politicians  and businessmen owned them and they will not let this happen because they will be in a big loss. Even government earn a lot of money by giving tenders of major transport stops annually. Every single industry have one way or the other linked to each other and changing one also causes changes in other industries. 

Exactly!
That is what I always say to my interlocutor when we are speaking about public transport, and how it is expensive in our country- which really sucks.
In the case of public transport being controlled by private companies and businessman: it would be very efficient, and set up to make profits from it.
Also, the tickets  would be cheaper than the transport controlled by authorities, because private company is always trying to generate income.
I would rather support public transport supervised not by government, but by a private groups of people, companies and businessman.

Most of the public transport is owned by private company, their main goal is to generate income, but by taking our money the company will be forced to provide a better facilities for us, and I think in every country there are never any free ride, all of the operational transportation generate expenses that need to be covered, and if the public transportation is free from the government, the government will need a bunch of money to covered the expenses which can be used to build a more important infrastructure, so I think as long as the transportation fee is not too expensive then it will be fair

I am against all free. Only financial interest allows you to get access to quality services and allows time to update the transport. Those who offer free transport offer themselves to lead by example.

In my country, Only a small number of transportation is owned by the government and its sure aint free but its subsidized so that everyone can afford. And it isnt free because the government have to buy fuel, repair damages and even pay the drivers so it cant be free unless the drivers decide to take no salary.

That is the one thing what piraattipuolue wants to main Capital City area "Suur Helsinki". Im talking about Finland.

I guess people can't have nice things without paying an exorbitant cost in some places.
Kind of like High Speed rail vs the car based society.

But why do that? I think it is easier to give a subsidy to the people whom the government wants to support so they had something to drive in traffic and transport let it be private.

Everything cost the taxpayers in more ways than one

If you want free public transport then that will mean higher taxes.

There is no free lunches in this world.

The government is simply getting funds from everyone, and redistributing them out again, mainly to the poorer people. It is all really about the balance between government subsidisation and taxpayers paying their fair share of taxes.

But if everyone in the world paid their dues, then we will have no problems with having free public transport for everyone.

I am not saying that it should be free. But what is the problem if the government makes it heavily subsidized? If the people use public transport instead of their private vehicles, then it will greatly benefit everyone.

Not for *free*, it simply meant that taxes paid by everybody covered it. Drivers still got paid, as did people, who took care of entire infrastructure.

That said, paying for extended period of use makes sense, as it regulates the way people use the system. Preventing overburdening of network.

Public transport system should be alternative and complement to private transportation (by either car or foot), not its replacement.