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Economy => Marketplace => Topic started by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 08:04:35 PM



Title: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 08:04:35 PM
EDIT:  THIS AUCTION IS OVER.  See end of thread.



I launch an auction for a 5g pure gold mini bar (see attached photo).

You can post your bid on this thread.  Don't PM me :  others must be able to see what has been proposed.
This is an experiment, but it is for real :

DON'T PUT A BID IF YOU DON'T REALLY INTEND TO BUY THE BAR !

The bitcoin paiement will be required before I send the bar.  Therefore there
is no point for you to post a fake bid here.  You would just destroy your
reputation.

The auction will end when the 90,000th block will be published (it's funnier
than just using conventionnal time).

Postal fees will be included in the price.

When the block chain length reaches 90,000,  I will lock this topic and therefore will not accept any more bid.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 08:12:33 PM
I'll start the ball rolling 8 bitcoins per gram, or BTC 40 in total. Gotta start somewhere.

Ok, fair enough.  I guess there will be at least one person who will put 50 bc.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: FreeMoney on October 29, 2010, 08:16:29 PM
500BTC


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: FreeMoney on October 29, 2010, 08:21:10 PM
Wouldn't it be smarter for us all to hold our bids until near 90,000 for when the value of bitcoins rises dramatically? :D

I am holding my real bid ;-)


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: nelisky on October 29, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
Wouldn't it be smarter for us all to hold our bids until near 90,000 for when the value of bitcoins rises dramatically? :D

I never understood the online auction thing, especially when people bid early and often... I thing advertising way in advance is a great thing, very much needed, but shouldn't the auction be more of "between blocks 89990 and 90000 (about one hour)"?

Of course timezone differences may become a problem for some so a 12 hour period is probably a good idea...


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
Of course timezone differences may become a problem for some so a 12 hour period is probably a good idea...

Why is timezone timezone difference a problem ?  The length of the block chain is geographically invariant.

I actually chose 90,000 only because it was the closest round number I could see.



Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 08:58:40 PM
FreeMoney leads at 500 BTC.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: nelisky on October 29, 2010, 09:02:04 PM
Of course timezone differences may become a problem for some so a 12 hour period is probably a good idea...

Why is timezone timezone difference a problem ?  The length of the block chain is geographically invariant.

I actually chose 90,000 only because it was the closest round number I could see.



I meant if you were only taking the bids during the 10 blocks that precede the 90k. It might end up at unusable hours for some, like 9am :)


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 09:05:39 PM
I meant if you were only taking the bids during the 10 blocks that precede the 90k. It might end up at unusable hours for some, like 9am :)

Well, that's part of the fun of it ;)

Maybe I will have to wake up at 4am.  I don't know.  I don't even know if it's possible to know.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: ribuck on October 29, 2010, 09:51:48 PM
Maybe I will have to wake up at 4am.
Maybe you don't have to wake up if you trust the forum timestamps.

Finishing the auction at a random time defined by a block number is a clever way of stopping people from all submitting their bids at the last second.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 09:59:38 PM
Finishing the auction at a random time defined by a block number is a clever way of stopping people from all submitting their bids at the last second.

Indeed !  (I confess I hadn't even thought of it in this way ;) )

I actually came up with this idea of using block numbers because I had heard about an old tradition of auction using burning candles.  This kind of auction is still in practice in some european countries.  I guess you pointed out the exact reason.  There is a element of randomness involved.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 29, 2010, 10:15:08 PM
2000 blocks away will be approximately 2 weeks.

In 2 weeks, bitcoin will be worth?

Another good question, is in two weeks, gold will be worth?


It's only up to you to find the answers of these questions.


Edit.

ribuck leads at 600 BTC


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: Keefe on October 31, 2010, 08:13:46 AM
800 BTC


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: jorgen on October 31, 2010, 08:59:51 AM
1000 BTC


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on October 31, 2010, 08:12:03 PM
jorgen leads with 1,000 BTC.

Please let me remind you not to bid if don't really intend to buy the bar.  The bitcoin paiement will be required first before the actual sending of the bar.  Therefore there is no point anyway in putting fake bids.  You will just destroy your reputation.


Title: Less than 1,000 blocks to go
Post by: grondilu on November 01, 2010, 07:29:33 PM

Current highest bid is 1,000 bc.

Anyone for 1,100 ?


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: S3052 on November 01, 2010, 07:57:59 PM
Gold is about to turn down for at least 10% if not 30% in nominal dollars, so one can wait to buy gold...


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 01, 2010, 08:25:51 PM
Gold is about to turn down for at least 10% if not 30% in nominal dollars, so one can wait to buy gold...

Yeah, sure.  I have been hearing this one for quite some time, now.



Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 01, 2010, 08:46:07 PM
Gold is about to turn down for at least 10% if not 30% in nominal dollars, so one can wait to buy gold...

Then there's also some credible sources saying 2-3 year target above $3000. So... the fact would be, no one really knows, unless they are manipulating the market themselves, and then that wouldn't even be a guarantee.

I don't know what will be the price of gold in a few years, but I'm pretty sure I would not feel confident if I had a lot of dollars in cash right now.  Those people are flowding the banking industry with trillions of worthless dollar.  Not only this will eventually lead to massive inflation, but above all, it's unfair enough for me not to want to participate to this by hoarding dollars.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: Loki on November 02, 2010, 08:39:18 PM

Current highest bid is 1,000 bc.

Anyone for 1,100 ?


1,100 BTC :)


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 02, 2010, 08:42:41 PM
1,100 BTC :)

I don't feel comfortable accepting a bid if there is a smiley aside to it.

Please confirm.

Edit.  Ahh it's ok.  I don't know why I wrote that.  Your bid is accepted.

Loki leads at 1,100 BTC


Title: Possible IRC meeting when we get close to 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 02, 2010, 09:03:18 PM

I'm considering organizing an IRC meeting just before we reach 90,000.

Indeed if many people try to put a bid here just before the end, it could be messy and unfair, since some orders will be delayed.  And a forum is not designed to do real time conversations, anyway.

So what I am planning to do is to lock this thread at about block 89,900, and then open an IRC channel on #freenode.

My IRC login name is password protected, so it should be alright.


Title: If I can't be there at the deadline
Post by: grondilu on November 02, 2010, 09:17:36 PM
If, for some reason, I can't be online at the 90,000th block,  if I'm not on IRC either and if this thread is still open, then you will be able to post some bids until I wake up or get connected.  It should not be long.  I will then immediately lock the thread and the highest bid will be the winner, even if it was actually posted after 90,000.

Is that Ok with everyone ?


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: Loki on November 02, 2010, 09:52:10 PM
If, for some reason, I can't be online at the 90,000th block,  if I'm not on IRC either and if this thread is still open, then you will be able to post some bids until I wake up or get connected.  It should not be long.  I will then immediately lock the thread and the highest bid will be the winner, even if it was actually posted after 90,000.

Is that Ok with everyone ?


Sounds good to me.


Title: Less than 500 blocks to go !!
Post by: grondilu on November 04, 2010, 03:57:53 PM


So far, Loki leads with 1,100 BTC.

Don't wait the last minute to make your bid !


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: FreeMoney on November 04, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
1120BTC


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: jorgen on November 04, 2010, 04:11:23 PM
1150


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 04, 2010, 04:17:09 PM
1150

jorgen leads at 1,150 BTC.

Anyone for 1,200 ?


Title: Gold on record high !!
Post by: grondilu on November 04, 2010, 09:18:48 PM

Gold is almost at 1,400$/once right now.   You still have a few blocks left to have a chance to get 5g of gold for 1,200 BTC only !


Don't delay too much before you send me your bid.


Edit.
Also, let me remind you that according to bitcoinwatch.com, one gram of gold worth 478$.  That means that 1,200$ for one gram is about 50% below the official price !  Go for it !


Title: Re: Gold on record high !!
Post by: FreeMoney on November 04, 2010, 09:25:08 PM


Gold is almost at 1,400$/once right now.   You still have a few blocks left to have a chance to get 5g of gold for 1,200 BTC only !


Don't delay too much before you send me your bid.


Yes but bitcoin is at an all time high too!


Title: Re: Gold on record high !!
Post by: grondilu on November 04, 2010, 09:29:31 PM

Yes but bitcoin is at an all time high too!

Ahh,  please don't try to ruin my business ;)

Still, 1,500 BTC or even 2,000 BTC wouldn't be outrageous.


Title: Re: Gold on record high !!
Post by: FreeMoney on November 04, 2010, 11:53:23 PM

Yes but bitcoin is at an all time high too!

Ahh,  please don't try to ruin my business ;)

Still, 1,500 BTC or even 2,000 BTC wouldn't be outrageous.


1200


Title: Re: Gold on record high !!
Post by: grondilu on November 05, 2010, 12:22:25 AM
FreeMoney leads at 1,200 BTC


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: TTBit on November 05, 2010, 05:51:56 PM
you should charge 1 btc per bid, whether it wins or not ;)


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: FreeMoney on November 05, 2010, 06:06:21 PM
you should charge 1 btc per bid, whether it wins or not ;)

And force people to bid in increments of 0.2 ;-)


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 05, 2010, 07:27:58 PM
you should charge 1 btc per bid, whether it wins or not ;)

I doubt it would change anything.  It would not discourage dishonnest bidders, while annoying the honnest ones.  Imo.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 05, 2010, 07:47:11 PM
Less than 200 blocks left, which should be less than 24 hours.

I will probably start the IRC bidding around block number 89,950

Again, so far FreeMoney leads at 1,200 BTC.  Anyone for 1,300 BTC ?


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: nanotube on November 05, 2010, 08:11:09 PM
Less than 200 blocks left, which should be less than 24 hours.

I will probably start the IRC bidding around block number 89,950

Again, so far FreeMoney leads at 1,200 BTC.  Anyone for 1,300 BTC ?


where will irc bidding take place?


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: grondilu on November 05, 2010, 08:36:09 PM
where will irc bidding take place?


On freenode.  I'll create a channel.


Title: Re: Auction for a 5g pure gold bar until block 90,000
Post by: FreeMoney on November 05, 2010, 09:27:38 PM
you should charge 1 btc per bid, whether it wins or not ;)

I doubt it would change anything.  It would not discourage dishonnest bidders, while annoying the honnest ones.  Imo.


There is a site(s) that charge per bid and force you to only bid in tiny increments. TVs and stuff go for 1/2 price or less sometimes, but the site makes 10x on each item because of all the tiny fees. It's kind scammy, but pretty clever.


Title: Less than 100 blocks left !
Post by: grondilu on November 06, 2010, 07:00:44 AM

You still have some time to put your bid on the forum.

So far FreeMoney leads at 1,200 BTC.


Title: Start IRC auction
Post by: grondilu on November 06, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
Well, although very few people seem intersted, I've started the IRC auction.

It's on freenode, channel #btc-gold-auction.


Title: End of auction
Post by: grondilu on November 07, 2010, 12:14:19 AM

FreeMoney won at 1,200 BTC.

I'll soon make an other auction for a 10g mini gold bar.

Who knows, someday I might sell a 1kg gold bar for bitcoins ;)