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Post by: chodpaba on March 30, 2013, 04:18:55 PM
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Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Bitcoin BEAR on March 30, 2013, 04:23:27 PM
I know you know some shit about some shit, but LOL! Not this rally


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: yokosan on March 30, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
(√(1024))*2 = 64

Just saying.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Peter Lambert on March 30, 2013, 04:34:09 PM
Just saying.

Thanks for posting a mathematical equivalency, what is your point? Why is this in speculation and not off-topic?

2009+5=2014


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: checkers6676 on March 30, 2013, 04:35:33 PM
Just saying.

Thanks for posting a mathematical equivalency, what is your point? Why is this in speculation and not off-topic?

2009+5=2014

by god, you heard it here first folks! bitcoin will be $2014 in 5 days!


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Bitcoin BEAR on March 30, 2013, 04:35:56 PM
I know you know some shit about some shit, but LOL! Not this rally

I am saying, we have yet to see exuberance.

I am also saying—2 years.

Fair 'nuff!


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: bitcoinbear on March 30, 2013, 04:44:19 PM
I know you know some shit about some shit, but LOL! Not this rally

I am saying, we have yet to see exuberance.

I am also saying—2 years.

Fair 'nuff!

Hey, are you stealing my name? Don't listen to this poser, he clearly is trying to imitate me badly!


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: chrsjrcj on March 30, 2013, 04:53:04 PM
32^4= 1048576

Billionaire!!!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8512/8542531696_00fe778294_o.png


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Rothgar on March 30, 2013, 04:59:31 PM
5*2 = 10

I just had to get that off my chest.  Thanks!!!


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Buffer Overflow on March 30, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
Quick, have you heard? 1 + 1 = 2


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Crazy on March 30, 2013, 05:06:17 PM
Sup Butter :)


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: ehoffman on March 30, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
√(-1) = 1i...  But that's probably too "complex" for OP :P


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: waspoza on March 30, 2013, 06:21:21 PM
Just saying.

So you saying that bubble will burst at $1024 in two years?


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: BTC Books on March 30, 2013, 08:46:40 PM

Thanks for posting a mathematical equivalency, what is your point? Why is this in speculation and not off-topic?


Because it's chodpaba.

You registered in May of 2011 - didn't you read his spread analysis thread?

He stopped because too many people caught on that he was the best - and it screwed up his own trading.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: notme on March 30, 2013, 09:02:17 PM

Thanks for posting a mathematical equivalency, what is your point? Why is this in speculation and not off-topic?


Because it's chodpaba.

You registered in May of 2011 - didn't you read his spread analysis thread?

He stopped because too many people caught on that he was the best - and it screwed up his own trading.

Shhh... Everyone was supposed to forget about that by now.

How well does your model handle the current situation of continuously breaking new highs?  Wasn't it based on historical volume at various prices?


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: notme on March 30, 2013, 09:14:08 PM

Thanks for posting a mathematical equivalency, what is your point? Why is this in speculation and not off-topic?


Because it's chodpaba.

You registered in May of 2011 - didn't you read his spread analysis thread?

He stopped because too many people caught on that he was the best - and it screwed up his own trading.

Shhh... Everyone was supposed to forget about that by now.

How well does your model handle the current situation of continuously breaking new highs?  Wasn't it based on historical volume at various prices?

There is still a lot of unbroken ground with that idea, but I have been moving along another development path. Mostly, what I am seeing tells me to hold on for the ride. I it is perilous to try to trade on a parabolic slope. The only reason I am saying anything is because I am not trading. If that changes I will probably clam up.

You heard it here folks, when Chodpaba quits posting the top is in! :P


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Elwar on March 30, 2013, 09:18:40 PM
 x = y = 32
 -x^2= -xy
 x^2 - y^2 = x^2 - xy
 (x + y)(x - y) = x(x - y)
 x + y = x
32+32 = 32
 64 = 32


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Nancarrow on March 30, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
So this is a thread for us all to post basic arithmetical calculations is it?

Well I'd tell you what 911 x 2356 is, but I've heard nobody knows.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Elwar on March 30, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
x = y = 32
 -x^2= -xy
 x^2 - y^2 = x^2 - xy
 (x + y)(x - y) = x(x - y)
 x + y = x
32+32 = 32
 64 = 32

When it comes to money and markets things are a little less Bertrand Russell than you might expect—and a little more Ursula K. Le Guin than you might expect.

I know...while taking Calculus 4 I also took Econ 101. I skipped a lot of the Econ classes because "it's just simple arithmetic" right?

Not so much...I think I got a D in Econ 101. Crazy voodoo math.

I later took Accounting for my Master's degree and determined not to make the same mistake I listened to the lecture on credits and debits about 20 times until it finally "clicked". After failing the first few homework/quizzes, after it clicked I finally got it and finished the course with a B.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: notme on March 30, 2013, 10:02:28 PM
x = y = 32
 -x^2= -xy
 x^2 - y^2 = x^2 - xy
 (x + y)(x - y) = x(x - y)
 x + y = x
32+32 = 32
 64 = 32

Yes, if you allow division of zero you can prove almost any mathematical lie.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: BTC Books on March 30, 2013, 11:28:02 PM
e^(-i*pi) + 1 = 0

Nah.

e^(-i*pi) = Armory.  +1


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Ekaros on March 30, 2013, 11:34:47 PM
2+2=11


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: DoomDumas on March 31, 2013, 12:39:55 AM
1+1=3
My wife + Me = wife, me, baby ;)

BTC over 300 before year end, even if a big correction happen, wich I doubt !


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Rothgar on March 31, 2013, 12:41:14 AM
2+2=11

Yea in base three.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Elwar on March 31, 2013, 12:44:55 AM
x = y = 32
 -x^2= -xy
 x^2 - y^2 = x^2 - xy
 (x + y)(x - y) = x(x - y)
 x + y = x
32+32 = 32
 64 = 32

Yes, if you allow division of zero you can prove almost any mathematical lie.

I allow it.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: bb113 on March 31, 2013, 12:49:09 AM
x = y = 32
 -x^2= -xy
 x^2 - y^2 = x^2 - xy
 (x + y)(x - y) = x(x - y)
 x + y = x
32+32 = 32
 64 = 32

Yes, if you allow division of zero you can prove almost any mathematical lie.

I allow it.

The biggest lie in all of human history is that you can't divide by zero. I do it all the time. It's fun.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Ekaros on March 31, 2013, 12:50:34 AM

And just consider how much safer BTC would be then ;D

Or would it exist at all...  ::)


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Tzupy on November 27, 2013, 03:26:00 PM
By the same logic 3 ^ 2 = 9$. Let's hope it won't drop there.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: piramida on November 27, 2013, 03:34:55 PM
Actually, powers of 2 had some meaning in the digital bitcoin world. 32 = 2^5, 256 = 2^8, so continuing this would mean this rally should top out in the vicinity of 2^11 aka 2048, the next one - 2^14 = 16k.

Price minimums also followed powers of 2, increasing by 2 every year (2011 was 2^0, 2012 was 2^2, 2013 was 2^4), although this trend would probably be broken in 2014 as I don't think we are going anywhere near 64; but bitcoin can surprise.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Tzupy on November 27, 2013, 03:38:22 PM
Obviously not, since I bought my first coins in May 2013, and joined this forum in July 2013.
It's just a matter of increased demand and hoarded supply. And once it pops... an avalanche.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: piramida on November 27, 2013, 03:52:32 PM

Volatility increases.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but it looks like volatility is dying down quite a bit. If we manage to go above 1k for at least another week, it would be the most unusual rally in bitcoin history, with a built-in crash and no real correction.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: I_bitcoin on November 27, 2013, 03:55:40 PM
I know you know some shit about some shit, but LOL! Not this rally

I am saying, we have yet to see exuberance.

I am also saying—2 years.

Agreed, irrational exuberance is still not here.   This will not be quite as big a deal as the Internet but much bigger than mp3s, books, moves.  Entire industries will be demolished before our eyes.   So scary and fascinating to watch.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Tzupy on November 27, 2013, 05:32:34 PM
That's good, it shows that you're a reasonable person, and not a lunatic!  ;D


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: sickpig on November 27, 2013, 05:54:21 PM
Sorry in advance for the stupid question, but could someone be so kind to explain to me what's the real meaning of this prediction?

While at it take into account that I'm quite dumb.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: oda.krell on November 27, 2013, 06:25:13 PM
Actually, powers of 2 had some meaning in the digital bitcoin world. 32 = 2^5, 256 = 2^8, so continuing this would mean this rally should top out in the vicinity of 2^11 aka 2048, the next one - 2^14 = 16k.

Price minimums also followed powers of 2, increasing by 2 every year (2011 = 2^0, 2012 = 2^2, 2013 = 2^4)

Rather than trying to use this to strictly calibrate this episode I think it may be more instructive to think about it in terms the order of magnitude for rally cycles going forward.

Volatility increases.


I've seen you making similar statements in the past. Including the idea that btc won't be a very effective store of wealth for that reason. I'm not completely sure I understand your reasons for this assumption (it's an interesting question though, I thought about starting a thread to discuss this question), but as a purely empirical remark: in the brief history of btc trading, volatility arguably did decrease slightly.

(Note that I'm not drawing too many conclusions from that. Like I said, "brief history")

Anyway, looking at the three most volatile time periods (June 2011, April 2013, November 2013), and the sharp drop of value that followed a correction we get: June 2011 saw an immediate correction to 1/3 of the previous high, then a gradual decline down to ultimately 1/13. Difficult to compare to April and November, where the lowest point was reached much faster: April, down to 1/5, earlier correction in November, down to 1/2.

Staring at peaks and lows isn't that instructive though I believe. Bollinger Band Width is a small step up in sophistication when measuring volatility. According to that metric, 2011 saw the peak in volatility. This year/current rally isn't over yet, of course, so we might break that barrier as well.



[Daily/weekly BBW. Couldn't be arsed to read their documentation, but it looks like it isn't pure BBW, but normalized for price (which is necessary anyway when comparing over such long time frames).]

https://i.imgur.com/Q95Vvgj.png

https://i.imgur.com/wQecbxT.png


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: sickpig on November 27, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
Sorry in advance for the stupid question, but could someone be so kind to explain to me what's the real meaning of this prediction?

While at it take into account that I'm quite dumb.

It's not a prediction really, but a statement about the nature of exchange rate growh with a supply-inelastic asset class and increasing demand. To illustrate a principle of microeconomics that is well known, but which a lot of people still have trouble believing.

I maintain that the reason for this is a fundamental limitation of human neurology. The inability to grasp exponential growth.

thanks chodpaba.

Now I got the general sense of what you mean and I'm even able to correlate to other fallacies of human being, e.g. be biased toward lower term utility maximization rather than long term one (it's all dopamine fault). Still I can't grasp the details a part from the fact you've posted an exponential formula, but I can live with that.  


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Adrian-x on November 27, 2013, 08:57:48 PM
I know you know some shit about some shit, but LOL! Not this rally

I am saying, we have yet to see exuberance.

I am also saying—2 years.

Agreed, irrational exuberance is still not here.   This will not be quite as big a deal as the Internet but much bigger than mp3s, books, moves.  Entire industries will be demolished before our eyes.   So scary and fascinating to watch.

I am still amazed by how much I tend to underestimate the market performance no matter how outrageous the results of my analysis seem.

I LOL'ed,
I thought you were always bang on the money.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Peter Lambert on November 29, 2013, 10:07:25 PM
Any commentary, Peter Lambert?

Looks like we are about 1024 right now. I just bought a bit, and the price usually goes against me, so I am sorry if we see a sudden crash in the next couple days.

I like the simplicity of the powers of two for the peaks at 32 and 256, but I still think as we move into the future we will eventually see the volatility decrease. That might be several years down the road once all of the worlds savings money has flown from gold into bitcoins.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: creekbore on November 30, 2013, 12:05:59 AM
I LOL'ed,
I thought you were always bang on the money.

I find Chodpaba's posts very interesting and he/she is clearly a very intelligent individual highly skilled in their field.

However, I followed this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269944.540 for many months and it didn't turn out to be very accurate at all.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Adrian-x on November 30, 2013, 07:32:28 AM
I LOL'ed,
I thought you were always bang on the money.

I find Chodpaba's posts very interesting and he/she is clearly a very intelligent individual highly skilled in their field.

However, I followed this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269944.540 for many months and it didn't turn out to be very accurate at all.

I guess so but if you follow Codpada's low calls he been pretty accurate.
And if following the buy and hold advice you would be up.

Only sell to help the network grow, that service is well rewarded in the long run.


Title: Re: 32^2=1024
Post by: Adrian-x on November 30, 2013, 07:48:27 AM
There is another way to think about the progression: 32, 266, 2211...

Here is another random set. (Time and rounding being veriable)
0.008, 0.09, 0.39, 1.09, 29.60, 230.00,