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Title: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: tempt on March 31, 2013, 10:12:20 PM offer canceled
Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: Rampion on March 31, 2013, 10:28:56 PM 12m difficulty in mid/end may (Avalon expected delivery date) seems overly optimistic, I would consider at least an increase of x2 of current difficulty (which would be aprox. 14m)
Difficulty will probably grow very fast in the following two months, and you considered 12m for the whole 60 days period At advertised share prices is very likely investors won't break even in such a short time frame you propose (only 60 days) Good deal for you and very bad for your investors, unfortunately. Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: tempt on March 31, 2013, 10:46:27 PM 12m difficulty in mid/end may (Avalon expected delivery date) seems overly optimistic, I would consider at least an increase of x2 of current difficulty (which would be aprox. 14m) Difficulty will probably grow very fast in the following two months, and you considered 12m for the whole 60 days period At advertised share prices is very likely investors won't break even in such a short time frame you propose (only 60 days) Good deal for you and very bad for your investors, unfortunately. I agree. I have lowered the prices, so that even with a difficulty of 18million you would make profit. As I said, I came here to share risks, not to make a killing. Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: yxt on March 31, 2013, 11:06:25 PM 1.25 x 25 + 38 x 1.5 = 88.25 -75 = 13.25
so you get your asic for a guaranteed profit 13.25BTC...for only 2 month not mining with it, nice try Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: Rampion on March 31, 2013, 11:06:46 PM 12m difficulty in mid/end may (Avalon expected delivery date) seems overly optimistic, I would consider at least an increase of x2 of current difficulty (which would be aprox. 14m) Difficulty will probably grow very fast in the following two months, and you considered 12m for the whole 60 days period At advertised share prices is very likely investors won't break even in such a short time frame you propose (only 60 days) Good deal for you and very bad for your investors, unfortunately. I agree. I have lowered the prices, so that even with a difficulty of 18million you would make profit. As I said, I came here to share risks, not to make a killing. Shares are still expensive because of the limited time frame to b/e (just 60 days) Consider now how the 1200 Batch 2+3 units will impact network hash rate at the same time you'll receive your unit: 65GHs x 1200 = 78000GHs Current network hasharate: ~60THs So there you have more than double in the short term, without counting other players. Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: Rampion on March 31, 2013, 11:11:14 PM 1.25 x 25 - 38 x 1.5 = 88.25 -75 = 13.25 so you get you asic for 13.25BTC...for only 2 month not mining with it, nice try Not exactly: he gets a guaranteed profit of 13.25BTC for the first two months, and after that he keeps 100% of the revenue generated by the machine.* A nice try indeed. *edit: he bought the machine for 75BTC, and he is selling the revenues generated by that machine in the first two months for 88.25BTC Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: tempt on March 31, 2013, 11:15:01 PM lol, the meta of this forum is interesting. People with a sense of business get outcalled for doing so? I dont blame you.
Everything is a big if, so, if you can not afford to take the risk all of your own and buy a #3 unit, you may purchase shares of my avalon machine. I dont understand whats so wrong with that. Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: yxt on March 31, 2013, 11:19:40 PM @Rampion
My bad! whats wrong? Quote I came here to share risks, not to make a killing. But you rolls your complete risk onto your customer. Call it unethical or extortion Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: tempt on March 31, 2013, 11:23:37 PM @Rampion My bad! whats wrong? Quote I came here to share risks, not to make a killing. But you rolls your complete risk onto your customer. Call it unethical or extortion Implying I am able to sell all shares. Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: pikeadz on March 31, 2013, 11:25:29 PM lol, the meta of this forum is interesting. People with a sense of business get outcalled for doing so? I dont blame you. Everything is a big if, so, if you can not afford to take the risk all of your own and buy a #3 unit, you may purchase shares of my avalon machine. I dont understand whats so wrong with that. So keep lowering the price until you get some bites. The market will determine what is fair, even if it means you don't immediately cover the purchase price of your Avalon solely from shareholder buy-ins. Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: tempt on March 31, 2013, 11:28:02 PM lol, the meta of this forum is interesting. People with a sense of business get outcalled for doing so? I dont blame you. Everything is a big if, so, if you can not afford to take the risk all of your own and buy a #3 unit, you may purchase shares of my avalon machine. I dont understand whats so wrong with that. So keep lowering the price until you get some bites. The market will determine what is fair, even if it means you don't immediately cover the purchase price of your Avalon solely from shareholder buy-ins. Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: shibaji on April 01, 2013, 12:28:47 AM I do not see anything wrong in this thread in the light of this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159704.0 1.8X already! Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: Rampion on April 01, 2013, 07:02:41 AM I do not see anything wrong in this thread in the light of this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159704.0 1.8X already! It's very different: with CoinHoarder you get a piece for Avalon for life, not for 60 days. In the post you point out the bid is for a batch 2 Avalon for life, not for 60 days. That's the crucial point. Then, OP says this is about risk sharing - false, this is about guaranteeing him profit He would b/e immediately on the machine, getting 13.25BTC profit for the first two months + a 100% paid machine after that. No risk at all for OP, and a timeframe in which is almost impossible to b/e for investors (60 days) Title: Re: 63Ghash/s for 2 Month from Avalon Batch #3 Post by: shibaji on April 01, 2013, 07:22:02 AM I do not see anything wrong in this thread in the light of this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159704.0 1.8X already! It's very different: with CoinHoarder you get a piece for Avalon for life, not for 60 days. In the post you point out the bid is for a batch 2 Avalon for life, not for 60 days. That's the crucial point. Then, OP says this is about risk sharing - false, this is about guaranteeing him profit He would b/e immediately on the machine, getting 13.25BTC profit for the first two months + a 100% paid machine after that. No risk at all for OP, and a timeframe in which is almost impossible to b/e for investors (60 days) hmm ... I linked incorrectly, but of course you got the right intent. Yes, the 60 days is bad. If that clause is taken out (for life), then things are equivalent. |