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there are lot of dice sites , which telling us.......

1. look here are lots players.
2. they continousely betting
3.our wager a day is ......, have been xxx btc
4.our site have made xxxx btc since lauched.

do you believe it ？while no one but the site ownner tell you the data.  and noone can check it exept site ownner.

and as an engineer ,  to make an account and bet automaticly is that simple.


so , do you believe the data of dice site？why?

You have to be careful trusting stats.
There have been a lot of sites faking stats in the past, even popular sites like Fortune Jack. A lot of small dice sites too.

BetKing.io is the most popular and trusted crowdfunded dice site. That's a fact.
We have the most wagered out of all other sites, more than most of them combined. 387,775 Bitcoin
We have the most invested out of all other sites, more than most of them combined. 4839 Bitcoin.
We have the most profit our of all the other sites, more than most of them combined. 6764 Bitcoin.

All stats can be confirmed on 3rd party sites like https://dicesites.com/

We have lots of players, thousands have played. They do not bet continuously though.

Our players don't use bots or multi-accounts as often as you would see on other sites that might look busier because there's more bets happening.
Probably because we don't have a min bet of 1 satoshi and no faucet. Our players deposit and play with their own real money.

This shows too that I am not creating fake bot accounts and betting.

What makes it true is the crowdfunded model where if it was faked our investors would divest.

As an engineer you will know that other sites can easily fake looking busy by having more people listed online in their chat.
Or they can have one person with 100 accounts claiming a free faucet and betting 1 satoshi at same time so the site looks like it has 100 players.
This doesn't fool any real gambler though.

"We have the most wagered out of all other sites" How much btc have wagered in your site?

You should probably want to check on dicesites.com. Everything is clear on site, rather than you asking here better try to search on their third party site which give all the details. i do believe that betking.io have really huge bankroll as their statement because saw couple of big whale there that bet like 250btc and win it so it is really possible that they have a lot of wagered or even huge bankroll to pay a good amount on big whale

I actually made a mistake in the post :)

I was going to write btc and also $ value and ended up saying million.

Anyway it's 387,775 Bitcoin wagered. As you can see on dicesites.com

who cares about these numbers!
only if you want to invest in these sites for example, you need to know these numbers to see how well a site is doing and the total wagered is not important at all but the return and the profit is important in this case.

and for the rest who just want to play, they only care about the site to be fair and have the games they like, and maybe have a nice design, a fast bot, ... they certainly don't care about how much is wagered :D

Moneypot has correct stats and is not faking it

maybe this helps

If you want to risk your money by playing on a site, you do want to get the idea that the site is trusted. Looking at how much other people have wagered and how long the site has been around - definitely can help for getting an idea about that. That's why I do think those statistics are important for (some) players.

My site https://dicesites.com is indeed all about those statistics. A lot of other review/overview sites just give good reviews to any casino that pays them nicely or has a good affiliate program. However my site shows only statistics and let the player decide which site is good and looks trustworthy for them.

On the subject of "faking stats", I obviously take that very serious. And for me, there has been 2 clear cases of "faking stats": FortuneJack (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12520525#msg12520525) and BetBTC.co dice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.msg15852859#msg15852859) (both 2 links link to more detials.) I might make a blog 1 time about those 2 sites faking stats (with more proof btw.)

It is possible that other sites fake stats too, but I try my best to figure that out. In a way I think crowdfunded casinos are less likely to fake bets, because they would be not only faking stats - but directly stealing from their investors (which is much worse so owner would need even worse ethics.)



PS: I will also update my site this month to be much better for players and have more sites :)

Having looked at a lot of sites, I feel sites definitely fake stats whether they deny it or not. But the ones taking investments usually have bots running making smaller bets, and the big ones can be running bots or fake players betting any amount of btc. Psychologically, it does convince a non-gambler to take a shot as well, which is probably the desired effect.

Personally, i think every site fake stats... they will always have some bots running to bring "volume".

agree, the most important thing should be positive feedback and provably fair games.

I do think the same thing too which  gambling dice sites do use these  bots  to make  bets and  looks  the site   to have many players  which somehow a very effective   thing  or   should able to convince   new people  to make bets . Well we really dont  know if they display the  exact stats  or fake, doesnt matter at all.

I also think stats is not important to play on any dice sites and majority of the people don't care about this, some dice sites are very popular and have so many players there, for me the most important thing is that I never got cheated by the dice site and get paid instant there so that is enough for me.

'one of the most popular' is more appropriate. Taking number of bets, Satoshidice wins by 100 million, also a year older. ;D



Primedice. 1,855,748 Bitcoin



I agree. (among crowdfunded sites)



I am not sure what you mean by confirmed ??? dicesites reflects the data dice owners make public.



I don't believe you do. but this doesn't really show anything.



How would they know ???

TheBitcoinStrip crawls most Bitcoin casinos every 20 minutes and compiles statistics.
We have over two years of data now (https://thebitcoinstrip.com/stats/2015-10-06-to-2016-10-04), roughly 2.3 GB of data.

https://i.imgur.com/uftR97b.png

https://i.imgur.com/VoGU5BU.png

https://i.imgur.com/j6W18Ok.png

View the stats here. (https://thebitcoinstrip.com/stats/2015-10-06-to-2016-10-04)

Can easily be faked.

Can easily be automated.

Can be verified if the site address is revealed.

Can be verified if the site address is revealed.

Unfortunately I can't open the link for this reason: ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH (dont' know what this means), but I think saying that "BetKing.io  is the most popular and trusted crowdfunded dice site" is a bold statement. What about Primedice? Or did you mean that  BetKing.io  is number one among crowdfunded dice sites? Maybe I'm missing something but I always thought that PrimeDice is the most popular dice site.

EDIT: As I think that popularity of a site reflects in its chat I've checked the chat on BetKing.io. There are barely a few posts per hour there, so I don't think we can call it most popular.

EDIT2: But overall the site looks great. If that's true (and I personally think it is ) TOTAL SITE PROFIT is 6764 BTC which means investors are more than happy. Great job guys! Keep it up!

Yeah, because a while ago there was the investor dice site called just-dice.com which had pretty incredible volumes (Anyone got a link to them? I couldn't find on archive.org), but we know for sure the site wasn't a ponzi because it actually returned all investor money. And unless Dooglus took a giant personal loss, this means that the profits were actually genuine. So from that we can infer there's actually a huge market that like to playing a game that makes excel seem like fun.  ;D


I think the real question should be, why aren't dice sites even more popular? By far the most popular/reputable dice site is PrimeDice, which has only done ~31612 BTC of volume in the last month -- which is actually a bit less than my own ugly-ass non-dice site has managed.

My guess is probably: a) for legal reasons block many key markets   b) their max-payout is too low for some mega-whales c) They don't take investors, and thus don't attract the gambling-investor circle-jerk that JD had

Shouldn't primedice or satoshidice has most bitcoin wagered? More than one million there, btc, stat in your site is also very large, what is the total profit so far?

Blocking the major bitcoin markets from depositing certainly hasn't helped, but I think you nailed it with B. and C. It's important to understand how many of the big investment site whales are individuals who invested in the bankroll. My theory is that investment sites encourage investors to play cause the site's shared bankroll experiences volatility and investors want to try and make money back.

We've considered taking investments for quite some time but there's too much legal risk surrounding bankroll investment and it isn't provably fair. A lot of people think I've refused investment cause I don't want to share any of the profits but to be honest I think we'd make significantly more if we did, I just honestly enjoy sleeping at night and holding as many user coins as dooglus did would make incredibly nervous.

I think depend on the website how is long in the business of gambling, if they were long time in the business of gambling i can be believe although there are not valid a proof of data. But for new website of gambling i am doubt about that.

it is kind of a strange thing to ask in my opinion because there are two scenarios

when i am looking for a gambling site like dice for example i don't look for their stats!
instead i pay the website a visit, make some bets using their faucet, see if i like the game/design/speed/auto bet options/faucet amount/ and many more things and i don't care if they say our stats is 1 billion trillion BTC or 1BTC.

on the other hand if i want to make an investment, then i look at these stats and in this case it would be important and the more important part is that they cannot fake it because they can't say we have 1 billion trillion BTC volume but investors are getting 0.0000001BTC

my thoughts exactly :P

Number of bets means nothing. Any site could have 100 bots running betting 1 sat and get the most bets of all casinos pretty fast but total wagered would be tiny.

Most popular is fact based on wagered and I said it was of all crowdfunded sites, but you can read what you like as usual ;)

The stats can't really be faked though. Invest and you would know they are real because you could withdraw your profit at any time.

I agree on that too. Its just that the stats that casino sends to dicesites can be tweaked a bit, if the owner is not a "neat" guy. Ofcourse I'm not talking about BetKing, as its indeed very popular, along with PD and Satoshidice (Cause of Eric's past history and so on..).

Some dice sites say this because they will be most likely to be trusted than other dice sites makes them more reputable. I believe on some of them but not every dice site because I know others can fake their statistics.

Fake their statistics? How can that be? Because what i do know is the opposite, they can't cheat their wagering amount and many people that really play on their site. What is the point on fake their huge wagering status without some real player on their site? They wont get anything from faking it. And to attract more players can't be determined just by their wagering statistics

The only true about the gambling dice projects is that they are making and getting huge ammount of gamblers all days, bankrolls has a lot bitcoin invested into it, i dont care really if they show the real stats, total invested or paid, as they keep honest it wont be a problem at all.

The key point here is keeping hornest

I saw someone won 102 btc from pocket dice , but not paid.

Uhmmm....the ownner want to  keeping hornest, but it is too expensive to keep it . so the problem hasn't been solved yet.


??? how to fix this problem  Doamader

Some of it are just bogus but some are very popular. You can see the site if its popular or not. Look at the users logged on the gambling site. Primedice is an example of good dice site which is still operating. I dont realy care about the things they say. As long as they paying and not scamming people.

I believe that some stats are faked, (there is no way for us to prove their real nor fake, so why not fake them if no one can prove it?) but honestly it does not matter to me, as long as the house edge is not faked. Also, the site must be provably fair.

The stats listed in the OP shouldn't be lied about, but honestly, if the site was faking those stats to attract more users, it wouldn't matter much to me, as long as the site lets me withdraw with no problems and isn't rigged.

I wonder how Just-Dice compared to this as well, prior to changing over to CLAM. I don't remember the exact stats before the change, but I know they were pretty far up there.

All of the sites combined are pretty much nothing compared to JD BTC times :X :P https://dicesites.com/jdstats.txt

Once JD had 1,553,357 BTC wagered in a day. That's almost equal to PD's lifetime wagered....... IN ONE DAY.

Sure, price was only around $128 that time, but it's still pretty crazy :p

I think it could be deceiving, and it could be true, is not the number of bets of each player can be calculated directly by the system. so it is very likely if the site it says that such "Wager a bet today already reached 1000 BTC" I think it was a natural thing?

I am navigating through sites finding out the best sites to earn more on betting. There are sites definitely fake stats whether they deny it or not. But the ones But the ones taking investments usually have bots running making smaller bets, and the big ones can be running bots or fake players betting any amount of btc. 

Actually i dont care much on their stats on how much they have wager, bets, etc. As long as they are trusted , wont rigged your rolls and they will pay you if you've requested a payout.

The reason why there are so many dices sites is because dice is very simple and easy to code. Its also very simple to learn how to play. There are also many public templates how to run your own dice site. However I agree with you, there are currently just too many of them out in this saturated market.

That is amazing to know about this 1,553,357 BTC wagered in day on any dice site, it sounds crazy but shocked to see this fact, dice is much popular betting with btc and that is the reason dice sites are doing wonderful business there because it deliver instant result and people can double their amount in a seconds if they had luck.

I think it could be true and may deceive, today there are many gambling sites and competition is intense. maybe dice sites that manipulate the data so that their sites appear to have a lot of players and looks secure and trusted, but may be really like primedice today and now they say "Won last 24H 1,241.02 BTC" its maybe true

It is mainly because easy to play this game and users no need of any experience to play this game. So many gamblers or new gamblers will start with the game and it also quite interesting to play, and most of the new gamblers think that they can win money with Martingale method. So many site owners want to make money out of it and also it is not so complicated to set up the site as well.

Yeah that site was huge at one point. BUt you need to understand that back then BTC wasn't worth as much and people were willing to risk more and more of it as a result. That's why the rollovers were so huge

That is a new and interesting theory. Never thought about it before. May be gambling sites owners that accepts investment in bankroll shed some more light on this theory...

Yes there are a lot of dife sites that you can play on. But if you really need to check out forums like this to check which is best. It's really important to get a feedback from those who are already experienced.

there is a lot of dice sites around because it is both easy for players and also for the house itself.

it is easy for players to play at these dice sites because you don't need any kind of skills at all and you can even make bets with 0 investment with the faucet.

and for the house it is super easy to design a dice site whereas designing another game like a poker room for example is so much harder.

Lost all money, they tell that their system provable fair, maybe god know  :-\

i won't believe them with easily because most of their statistics are fake and i think fake statistics from dice sites will only dominated by new dice sites because maybe they trying to do that to attract people playing at their sites and i think to avoid this situations i only will playing at dice sites who have good feedback from their users ,famous ,and trustworthy

Yup, you are right, to play Dice game we don't need any knowledge it's a simple game. But the very risky game. It's like head and tail game, Those who are lucky they will make money, those who are unlucky they will lose their money that's it. So totally this game depends on luck. This is easy to play so many people search Dice game site in Google that's it.

A lot of dice sites are coming out it clearly means that the gambling industry with dice are booming and the demand for websites sees that there are a lot of gamblers.So they are not letting the chance to pass by and they are creating their own strategy to make their dice sites to be more attractive and get a lot of gamblers. And there is no need to be a good gambler just simply a game of luck that's why many are loving it.

I am navigating through sites finding out the best sites to earn more on betting. There are sites definitely fake stats whether they deny it or not. But the ones But the ones taking investments usually have bots running making smaller bets, and the big ones can be running bots or fake players betting any amount of btc.

This is true and you will know it ofcoarse because you own a casino. The faucets also are there to great "mass volume" really it just helps the casino and is not a giveaway. The money lost by faucets is nothing to worry about and the casino sees it as an investment.  Nothing wrong with it. Nothing at all it is a tactic. But you get cheaters like you say. Especially is noticanle with HYIP programs that are right out lies. So those figures mean nothing and a gambler will know they lies just as you say so.

The system or site may be provable fair, but if you want to win money from gambling, then you should have luck. Without luck, you can't earn money from any sites. If you this logic then you won't spend more money on gambling. As long as you gamble with small amounts to try your luck then your lucky otherwise bad luck to you and good luck to sites.

Everything in gambling you can be lose it is just the same in real life that you are not believing to be lose and thinking that it is not provably fair because you lose and  i think it is because of unlucky person or bad luck. honestly gambling was made not only to give for entertainment it is made to give you enjoyable game that can gives you thrill while you are gamble..
Dice site is one of the bored game that i experience but we can say it is just a game everything in gambling there is no 100% sure that you can make a profit.  better to enjoy the game than you thinking you lose and can't depressed your self from being lose..

I usually don't trust casino's statistics to the point of blindly following every piece of info they share.
Some casinos have been fixing their stats, some are doing it right now but no one noticed.
The only place I consider to have some most-likely legit stats is https://dicesites.com/ (https://dicesites.com/)

It can be happen in newly sites that they are giving a fake stats that can attract people to gamble in their site.. it is just like investment site or ponzi site that actually attractive if you do not know about them.. but not all are giving fake stats and i think many of them are giving a good and real stats like other said betking and the other old site that still well known here in our forum those are saying real stats.

maybe we can look at gambling sites are high roll to see if the owner is lying or not. if you ask me. I believe and if you make this thread because desperate gamble?

"High roll to see if the owner is lying or not"? what do you mean? If you mean we can know if the owner is lying or not based from high roller in that site, no, it's not. If that site has provably fair system, the owner/admin can't lying/cheating result of your roll. Because you can check it/prove by yourself.
He's owner of girlbtc.com, not a gambler.

Yup, the high roll games will say the site is favour to players or owners. In dice game the high roll games 90% it's favour to owners. I had personal EXP in this game. I never made a profit when I play a high roll. And I am not telling all sites are like this but Max Dice sites are like this only. So playing with low roll is better in Dice game.

Lot of dice sites were available, but only very few among the entire gamblers seems much lucky to grab the best winning. Dice sites will be designed in such a way to grab the best possible from the players as everything is automated.

It is true that you should not believe in all they are saying because most of it are just advertisement in order to get people to play the site. But to know the truth you just need to play, interact with other people who are playing, you need to have your own experience in that site so that you can prove if they are telling the truth about their site stats.

I never did believe this too. They don't disclose everything to their patrons. They just keep on claiming something out of nothing. Also, there are so much dice gambling sites because I think it earns so much money. First because it's easily understood by gamblers. It's just high or low. Then there is really great chance for gambler to lose in dice compared to other games as it is so fast and the chances of winning is not really that great for gamblers.

some of them may report some false statistics specially if they are scam sites and/or have something shady going on. or some others may change the stats a little bit. but the reputable sites never do that because they don't need to do it.
also it is possible to figure out how much they are lying, you can see how many players they have, check their stats one by one and get an estimate. and also those sites that offer investment in their bankroll can never fake anything because faking it means paying more.

   If stats can be confirmed by 3rd party then I don't see why wouldn't I trust them
   There is a lot of dice sites and that tells us how much popular this game is. Competition is a good thing, with higher competition its expected for them to offer promotions, bonuses in order to attract more players, and that is very good for us players.

there's a lot of legit dice sites and i dont even care whats those number if its true or not im still playing and they're giving me money when im winning so as long as they're serving a good service on their players there will be no problem at all :) and one more thing playing dice game is so easy and dont need to study very hard on the flow of the game because it has been invented for us to play without any problem. but its too risky game but still a good game .

Well it depends on us because there aren't any program which confirms that all the stats are true. We must believe in the site which we are playing if we want to continue to play. Actually, most of online casino will provide real stats so that they can persuade players to come to play on their site. That's my opinion, maybe I believe in those casinos too much