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Title: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: rme on April 01, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
1BTC = $100
1mBTC = $0.10

PROS
- Marketing: People like to buy more 2000 mBTC than 2BTC for $200
- Decimals in small amounts: Buy a coke, only 0.001 BTC vs 1mBTC

CONS
- ...

Discuss


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: christop on April 01, 2013, 07:57:10 PM
CONS:
Verizon (http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/). They'll insist that 0.002 BTC = 0.002 mBTC. ;D


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: Bytas on April 01, 2013, 08:57:41 PM
isn't the $1000 cap a more logical cap to start using mBTC?
Since 1mBTC is 1:1000th of a bitcoin and all that.

Just sayin' :P


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: dyseac on April 01, 2013, 08:59:27 PM
isn't the $1000 cap a more logical cap to start using mBTC?
Since 1mBTC is 1:1000th of a bitcoin and all that.

Just sayin' :P

i concur...


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: nobbynobbynoob on April 01, 2013, 09:01:31 PM
I'll be switching my client to mBTC default when it "feels right". I'm not sure when that will be but probably a settled/rising price of at least $150 per BTC, tending toward $250+.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: crazy_rabbit on April 01, 2013, 09:41:11 PM
I think using mBTC would be useful as well.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: christop on April 01, 2013, 09:45:19 PM
How about while USD/BTC is between 31.62 and 31622.78 we use mBTC? Then between 31622.78 and 31622776.60 we use uBTC. That seems the most logical to me.

Note: sqrt(1000) = 31.622776601..., so 31.62 = 1000/sqrt(1000), 31622.78 = 1000*sqrt(1000) = 1000000/sqrt(1000), and 31622776.60 = 1000000*sqrt(1000)


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: FreshJR on April 01, 2013, 09:59:46 PM
delete me -- I read the OP wrong


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: solomon on April 01, 2013, 11:17:37 PM
$1 = 10 BTM


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: SgtSpike on April 01, 2013, 11:20:32 PM
If you want to sell other people BTC, then give your price in mBTC.  If you want to sell goods in exchange for BTC, price them in BTC.

To someone buying BTC, getting 1,000 mBTC sounds better than getting 1 BTC.  To someone buying a laptop, spending 5 BTC sounds a lot better than spending 5,000 mBTC.

TL;DR:  Do whatever you want.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: christop on April 01, 2013, 11:22:37 PM
$1 = 10 BTM
BTM is an abbreviation for "bitmill" which just needs to die. You don't say "that bug is 5 metermills long", or do you?


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: Fiyasko on April 01, 2013, 11:28:44 PM
No, Wait untill it is $1,000, then it will be Much more normal to the mind.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: b¡tco¡n on April 01, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
Let's be bullish and move straight to satoshi as the unit.  ;D




Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: Elwar on April 01, 2013, 11:44:41 PM
I will be using mBTC for all units on my website.

They have stock splits for a reason.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: boscorocks on April 01, 2013, 11:59:00 PM
I was wondering today if Casascius will start doing more fractional coins..


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: InspiredEye on April 02, 2013, 12:02:37 AM
I'll be switching my client to mBTC default when it "feels right".

Agreed.  For me, that will likely be at the $1000 mark.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: BitcoinTate on April 02, 2013, 12:04:58 AM
I'll be switching my client to mBTC default when it "feels right".

Agreed.  For me, that will likely be at the $1000 mark.
I would also agree around the $1000 mark is the appropriate place for this.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: superduh on April 02, 2013, 12:17:30 AM
yes, this will need to happen soon eventually....
it will in essence feel like a "stock split"
so the "high price" will not make people feel awkward/hesitant
i wonder how much is "institutional" owned..hmm


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: Herodes on April 02, 2013, 12:19:33 AM
I don't care much either way - but then again - I'm not like the 'ordinary customer', I never cared much about prices like 99.99 in stores, I always thought that was rather silly. I learned however that many people look at 99.99 as 90 something, rather than 100. I always found this really silly..


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: freequant on April 02, 2013, 12:33:20 AM
No, Wait untill it is $1,000, then it will be Much more normal to the mind.
I agree, let's wait another 6 months.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: kalinka on April 02, 2013, 01:48:55 AM
MtGOX using $0.10/mBTC as a standard will not make newcomers as optomistic as seeing price increases than seeing for example, how it went from <30 to >100 in such a short time. Looking at the history and seeing $0.03 to $0.10 just wouldn't have the same value. That's my opinion on it and is debatable.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: Bitcoinm on April 02, 2013, 01:56:16 AM
We should let people communicate about Bitcoin and price goods in Bitcoin however they see fit, and when the majority begin talking in mBTC, it will become the norm.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: Spaceman_Spiff on April 02, 2013, 02:02:14 AM
We should let people communicate about Bitcoin and price goods in Bitcoin however they see fit, and when the majority begin talking in mBTC, it will become the norm.

Indeed.  My guess is we'll see it around $1000.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: BitcoinTate on April 02, 2013, 02:11:53 AM
MtGOX using $0.10/mBTC as a standard will not make newcomers as optomistic as seeing price increases than seeing for example, how it went from <30 to >100 in such a short time. Looking at the history and seeing $0.03 to $0.10 just wouldn't have the same value. That's my opinion on it and is debatable.

I agree. Look at the price of Gold. It rose from $200 to $1600 in 10 years...and when you see the charts their is an awe factor.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: amincd on April 02, 2013, 02:56:02 AM
MtGOX using $0.10/mBTC as a standard will not make newcomers as optomistic as seeing price increases than seeing for example, how it went from <30 to >100 in such a short time. Looking at the history and seeing $0.03 to $0.10 just wouldn't have the same value. That's my opinion on it and is debatable.

People seeing mBTC going from $0.10 to $0.30 will not think it's overpriced. Seeing a BTC go from $30 to $100 will make them think that it's reached its peak and it's too late to invest in it.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: solomon on April 02, 2013, 06:34:40 PM
$1 = 10 BTM
BTM is an abbreviation for "bitmill" which just needs to die. You don't say "that bug is 5 metermills long", or do you?

If it was a virtual bug i might.

When i use it i say "BTM" not "bitmill".  I think it's a clearer distinction from BTC than mBTC. I think "i'll give you 20 b-t-m" is clearer than "I'll give you 20 millibitcoins" or "20 m-b-t-c".

People are not used to thinking in fractions, we need distinct units like dollars and cents, not fractional units like dollars and microdollars. uBTC and mBTC is particularly easy to mix up.
 


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: JimiQ84 on April 02, 2013, 06:37:07 PM
$1 = 10 BTM
BTM is an abbreviation for "bitmill" which just needs to die. You don't say "that bug is 5 metermills long", or do you?

If it was a virtual bug i might.

When i use it i say "BTM" not "bitmill".  I think it's a clearer distinction from BTC than mBTC. I think "i'll give you 20 b-t-m" is clearer than "I'll give you 20 millibitcoins" or "20 m-b-t-c".

People are not used to thinking in fractions, we need distinct units like dollars and cents, not fractional units like dollars and microdollars. uBTC and mBTC is particularly easy to mix up.
 


I call them millicoins. I know, it's kinda nonsense, but rolls of tongue really nice.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: the founder on April 02, 2013, 06:42:53 PM
I did as you guys asked.

http://www.ounce.me

mBTC now listed .  I'm averaging about 20,000 visitors a day now...  I believe this helps.



Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: christop on April 02, 2013, 08:58:28 PM
$1 = 10 BTM
BTM is an abbreviation for "bitmill" which just needs to die. You don't say "that bug is 5 metermills long", or do you?

If it was a virtual bug i might.

When i use it i say "BTM" not "bitmill".  I think it's a clearer distinction from BTC than mBTC. I think "i'll give you 20 b-t-m" is clearer than "I'll give you 20 millibitcoins" or "20 m-b-t-c".

People are not used to thinking in fractions, we need distinct units like dollars and cents, not fractional units like dollars and microdollars. uBTC and mBTC is particularly easy to mix up.
 

Except that "cent" is short for "centidollar", which means one-hundredth of a dollar. People already deal with these types of fractions on a regular basis, such as with my example about millimeters. I don't see anyone confusing meter (m) with centimeter (cm), millimeter (mm), micrometer (um), or even with kilometer (km). Each of those is unambiguous.

I do like "millies" and "mikes" as shorthand names for millibitcoins and microbitcoins. They sound personable.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: dree12 on April 02, 2013, 09:02:48 PM
$1 = 10 BTM
BTM is an abbreviation for "bitmill" which just needs to die. You don't say "that bug is 5 metermills long", or do you?
A mill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill_%28currency%29) has more than one meaning. A bitmill is a portmanteau of Bitcoin and ₥.


Title: Re: $100 per BTC reached, lets start using mBTC as default unit.
Post by: christop on April 06, 2013, 12:12:07 AM
$1 = 10 BTM
BTM is an abbreviation for "bitmill" which just needs to die. You don't say "that bug is 5 metermills long", or do you?
A mill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill_%28currency%29) has more than one meaning. A bitmill is a portmanteau of Bitcoin and ₥.
You have a good point there (I wasn't aware of "mill" being used in a currency context). I'm still not sure I like "bitmill", but it might grow on me with time.