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What happened::
I was playing at secondstrade.com and i sent 0.8 BTC to EVEN/ODD address. After a while, game was not created and i see that there is a limit of 0.5 BTC by transactions.
I wrote 2 PMs to owner of the website here and on his thread but ... like you can see (here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg16517532#msg16517532 , i'm constantly ignored.)

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381676

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.0

Amount Scammed:
0.8 BTC
Payment Method:
Bitcoin
Proof of Payment:
https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83

PM/Chat Logs:
I sent more than 2 PMs for refund, no responses...

Additional Notes:
Every day, i PM, notify the owner of secondstrade.com on his official thread, but i'm getting ignored ... He don't want to refund me.
Another guy have the same problem than me who opened scam thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640756.0

Hey, I have messaged these members from default trust:
"BayAreaCoins", "markj113", "dooglus", "suchmoon", "cryptodevil", "shorena", "Blazed", "Tomatocage", "OldScammerTag", "Raize", "OgNasty",  "SaltySpitoon",  "BadBear",  "theymos",  "Vod",  "RHavar",  "tysat",  "dogie",  "jackjack",  "Dabs",  "DannyHamilton",  "xetsr",  "Mitchell",  "hilariousandco",  "TheButterZone"
I can only send a message to up to 10 people at once so I only sent a message to people that I am familiar with.
Lets hope for their support.

Can you provide transaction details of all the secondstrade bets you made in the period?

What is your profit from playing txdice?

It looks like the TX in the OP:

https://blockchain.info/tx/1add566e74d516dbde41718f048c6f1e0870f180945393171366b8dfd68f3c83

was not a TX dice bet. It went to the Odd-Even address, whatever that is. And if you follow the change address it looks like sp3edm kept gambling with valid under-max amounts.

https://blockchain.info/tx/f612fbd5d55246bf157b91c7d82ed693fbfc86ba293d0246573ac59f3d87d67a
https://blockchain.info/tx/3d936cf66db2f9599509cab961bd14c5eed2f4f23fadc0749d9fbaf1aaf73a19
https://blockchain.info/tx/a7324cd0e5211bec6dc4bfaa8344c9fb853da41198cd65790b1c268e1e9370fb
https://blockchain.info/tx/bb88870202fa948628f1babff4d552f3e12433e6ebae5f4f3d9f8f3aba0fb17b

etc

Not sure if that means anything though.

I never played at TXDice ! and i'm not rabiow12 !!!
You are right suchmoon, i played some times after until i saw that my first tx was over limit.

Please see on the blockchain, it was my first transation to secondstrade and bet was not played. Where is the problem? i don't cheated or anything of that!

What do you mean you are not rabiow12 ? Did anyone here asked you if you are me  ? Whats your reason? ... im sick of this shit  fuuck >:(


I want my money back !

Secondstrade owner thinks i'm you...
Bro, i'm tired too...

I am not sure either. I am waiting for a reply from secondstrade.

Anyway, OP withdrew from poloniex* and made a 0.8BTC on secondstrade funding the hot wallet. I am not sure where the funds went to though.


I would ignore the next transactions because they were made the next day around 12 hours later and OP says he didn't notice the missing 0.8 lol. We are talking about a 1 minute game.




*so you can't link the addresses.


I know a good number of casinos who had their hot wallets emptied by scammers. Usually when they are successful, they'd just vanish, and when they fail and lose something they start a scam accusation, and in some cases they succeed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.0) (no evidence to back this, merely my opinion). So I'll just try my best to be neutral.


I am not accusing OP, just pointing out some reasons for suspicion and probable reasons why OP was blacklisted. Of course there is a good probability that OP has nothing to do with these.

Secondstrade's claim is that the 0.8BTC bet came when the scammer had emptied their hot wallet, and so was paid to him. He also said betting 0.8BTC as the first bet, above max, is suspicious.

That's an excuse I've heard so many times. "The transfer looked suspicious, so we kept the money"

Well there are casinos that cheat players and players that cheat sites. I will just take the middle ground.

He claims this was his refund to taut: https://blockchain.info/tx/5c872b79e5518095d5045d2394849a4641a0073097d05615ab0aaad44e51a23d

Posted here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg16558525#msg16558525

On another note, can someone link where we find out if we are in DefaultTrust? I was not consoled prior to being added and I don't believe I have ever done a trade with someone in DefaultTrust myself. I know there was some talk about using a different algorithm to determine who should be in there or not, but I've done very few trades myself and so many of the people I've traded with I cannot completely vouch for as it has been years since I've done any deals with them.

I think it just shows you how absurd the DefaultTrust list is when the people in the list are questioning whether they are in the list or not

OP is refunded. Please confirm.

The first thing I did was remove DefaultTrust after the trust system was created. I put in only people that I've had actual dealings with or scammers that I personally identified as such. I think the only way to actually see if you are in Default Trust is to add it, which is partly to blame for my confusion. From this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.msg2221725#msg2221725), I was able to determine that there are no notifications when people add you into their Trust lists, so I really did get no warning.

I guess I don't mind, I just don't remember explicitly agreeing to be in there or doing any specific trades with the folks that are in there so the recent PMs asking me to look into scammers kind of caught me off-guard.

Refunded YES, please close the thread ! :)

You got refunded - Congrats per them no association with that rabiow12 person.

You put it right back at secondstrade. Good to see you doing business with them again.