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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: betking_scam on October 13, 2016, 05:23:11 AM



Title: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: betking_scam on October 13, 2016, 05:23:11 AM
When you create account it provides client seed from server!!!!!

When you request new server seed it already knows about your client seed and spits losing server seed!!!

You cant check what server seed you will get!!!

AND NOW CHECK HOW MUCH DEAN EARNED!!!! HE STEALS MONEY FROM GAMBLERS FEEDING THEM LOSING SEED!!!!!!!

DEAN YOU ARE FUCKING SCUUUM!!!!!


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: pokerguru on October 13, 2016, 05:25:20 AM
Easy easy, let us wait for dean's answer, he will satisfy you. IMO betking is legit.


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: betking_scam on October 13, 2016, 05:31:09 AM
Easy easy, let us wait for dean's answer, he will satisfy you. IMO betking is legit.

ITS WORSER THAN ON BETTEERBETS!!


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: RHavar on October 13, 2016, 06:23:48 AM
Sounds like nonsense. However, if they're generating client-seeds on the server, they should move the generation to the client (and only after the server has sent the client the server-seed-hash). As the name suggests, client seeds are best generated by the client.

But regardless you can avoid all the risks by setting your own client seed, which you should be doing anyway. Or even better, if you really think they've found certain server seed + client seed such that it's distribution is "favorable" for the house, that means it would be exploitable and you could take advantage of them. e.g. If the server wanted seeds that made 2x bets lose, unless they knew which direction you were betting they would have to brute force a combination that had a  higher distribution of outcomes between 49.5 and 50.5. However that would be vulnerable to someone who was betting 1.96x to take advantage of that. Or if they found a seed combination that had a higher distribution of lows, you could instead bet high. etc. There's no way you could use that to cheat players, without subjecting yourself to a similar amount of risk, which no casino is going to want to do.


My guess though, is you're that lame extortionist that wants money to stop saying nonsense? If so, you should realize that no business is ever going to pay you, no matter how much trouble you cause if for no other reason then they would be opening themselves up to more dipshits ;D


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: ndnh on October 13, 2016, 06:36:01 AM
When you request new server seed it already knows about your client seed and spits losing server seed!!!

Ha! Then reverse your bet and win :P


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: betking_scam on October 13, 2016, 06:38:30 AM
Sounds like nonsense. However, if they're generating client-seeds on the server, they should move the generation to the client (and only after the server has sent the client the server-seed-hash). As the name suggests, client seeds are best generated by the client.

But regardless you can avoid all the risks by setting your own client seed, which you should be doing anyway. Or even better, if you really think they've found certain server seed + client seed such that it's distribution is "favorable" for the house, that means it would be exploitable and you could take advantage of them. e.g. If the server wanted seeds that made 2x bets lose, unless they knew which direction you were betting they would have to brute force a combination that had a  higher distribution of outcomes between 49.5 and 50.5. However that would be vulnerable to someone who was betting 1.96x to take advantage of that. Or if they found a seed combination that had a higher distribution of lows, you could instead bet high. etc. There's no way you could use that to cheat players, without subjecting yourself to a similar amount of risk, which no casino is going to want to do.


My guess though, is you're that lame extortionist that wants money to stop saying nonsense? If so, you should realize that no business is ever going to pay you, no matter how much trouble you cause if for no other reason then they would be opening themselves up to more dipshits ;D

HE KNOWS BETING PATTERN AND WHEN WHALE CREATES NEW ACCOUNT HE GIVES HIM LOOSING SEED!

AND WHEN YOU SET CLIENTSEED HE KNOWS IT AND WHEN YOU REQUEST NEW SERVER SEED HE AGAIN GIVES YOU LOOSING SEED!!!


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: RHavar on October 13, 2016, 06:39:24 AM
Ha! Then reverse your bet and win :P

Yup. Although you'd have to also adjust your multiplier to 1.98x or less to make sure there's not a gap in the ranges


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: Naoko on October 13, 2016, 06:39:40 AM
When you create account it provides client seed from server!!!!!

and so?

When you request new server seed it already knows about your client seed and spits losing server seed!!!

you can still change your client seed right after you change server seed right?

You cant check what server seed you will get!!!

you can't check yes but you still have the decision if you will take the bet or not right? and you will still decide if you should bet below or over xx number. that alone is fair if you use your brain (if there is)


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: RHavar on October 13, 2016, 06:41:10 AM
HE KNOWS BETING PATTERN AND WHEN WHALE CREATES NEW ACCOUNT HE GIVES HIM LOOSING SEED!

AND WHEN YOU SET CLIENTSEED HE KNOWS IT AND WHEN YOU REQUEST NEW SERVER SEED HE AGAIN GIVES YOU LOOSING SEED!!!

There's no such thing as a "losing seed", as you're able to change if you want to bet high or low and what odds. Anyway, just pick your own client seed after seeing the server seed hash, and you have nothing to fear.


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: BetKing.io on October 13, 2016, 06:55:55 AM
When you create account it provides client seed from server!!!!!

When you request new server seed it already knows about your client seed and spits losing server seed!!!

You cant check what server seed you will get!!!

AND NOW CHECK HOW MUCH DEAN EARNED!!!! HE STEALS MONEY FROM GAMBLERS FEEDING THEM LOSING SEED!!!!!!!

DEAN YOU ARE FUCKING SCUUUM!!!!!

Oh it's you again.

You should provide proof of your claim.

After seeing NlNico's post in the BB thread yeah there are improvements that could be made but it is still provably fair.

On new account create it does actually generate client seed on server, this was just to save time and number of requests.

You can change the client seed in your browser before betting and at any time.

Also I'm not smart enough to watch your betting patterns and give you a losing seed based on your previous client seed :)
If you think I am doing such just do what others have suggested and change your pattern. There's 6000 Bitcoin up for grabs if you do that.

"You cant check what server seed you will get!!!"
Of course not, because then you could cheat.



Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: luckylucky on October 13, 2016, 11:05:53 AM
When you create account it provides client seed from server!!!!!

When you request new server seed it already knows about your client seed and spits losing server seed!!!

You cant check what server seed you will get!!!

AND NOW CHECK HOW MUCH DEAN EARNED!!!! HE STEALS MONEY FROM GAMBLERS FEEDING THEM LOSING SEED!!!!!!!

DEAN YOU ARE FUCKING SCUUUM!!!!!

Oh it's you again.

You should provide proof of your claim.

After seeing NlNico's post in the BB thread yeah there are improvements that could be made but it is still provably fair.

On new account create it does actually generate client seed on server, this was just to save time and number of requests.

You can change the client seed in your browser before betting and at any time.

Also I'm not smart enough to watch your betting patterns and give you a losing seed based on your previous client seed :)
If you think I am doing such just do what others have suggested and change your pattern. There's 6000 Bitcoin up for grabs if you do that.

"You cant check what server seed you will get!!!"
Of course not, because then you could cheat.


yeah i think it was fair and the owners posting on this thread should also give evidence before making accusations uncertain


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: numanoid on October 13, 2016, 11:29:07 AM
~snip~
How could you say that without any valid proofs? btw, where's your main account? don't hiding with a newbie account. I guess you're just another loser who blame Betking because you lose in that site.


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: sinisuba on October 13, 2016, 11:53:18 AM
"Hey guys, just lost all my money on betking - conclusion? They're scammers"

gg


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: btcdevil on October 13, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
~snip~
How could you say that without any valid proofs? btw, where's your main account? don't hiding with a newbie account. I guess you're just another loser who blame Betking because you lose in that site.
I agree with you , if the OP is claiming of scam then he should provide the proof of bets which are scammed, just like creating a new thread with a new id and should scam scam no one will agree with you,

Their are so many thread where a player when lost come with new id and should that site as scam, without any proof.


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: marlboroza on October 15, 2016, 05:22:05 PM
When you create account it provides client seed from server!!!!!

When you request new server seed it already knows about your client seed and spits losing server seed!!!

You cant check what server seed you will get!!!

AND NOW CHECK HOW MUCH DEAN EARNED!!!! HE STEALS MONEY FROM GAMBLERS FEEDING THEM LOSING SEED!!!!!!!

DEAN YOU ARE FUCKING SCUUUM!!!!!

Can you give us proof of losing seed? It looks like you lost some money and now you are pissed on everyone but yourself!


Title: Re: BETKING - NOT PROVABLY FAIR AND SCUM!!!!!
Post by: passivebesiege on October 16, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
When you create account it provides client seed from server!!!!!

When you request new server seed it already knows about your client seed and spits losing server seed!!!

You cant check what server seed you will get!!!

AND NOW CHECK HOW MUCH DEAN EARNED!!!! HE STEALS MONEY FROM GAMBLERS FEEDING THEM LOSING SEED!!!!!!!

DEAN YOU ARE FUCKING SCUUUM!!!!!

Can you give us proof of losing seed? It looks like you lost some money and now you are pissed on everyone but yourself!
And I think it's big amount of money that's why he complain here its oart of the game imho if you do not want to lose do not gamble.